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Originally posted by DaveT Wow, I was way off. It was his July one. And I must've been drunk or somethign when I listened to it becuase looking at the tracklist, it's not really filled with many classics. He did play his recon of Yilmaz Altanhan - Eighties, though. Was one of my favorite tracks of 2005!

haha no worries. you made a good point about djs playing classics in longer sets- i love it. i downloaded markus' set closing amnesia in 2009 - 7 hours or so with a good selection of classics mostly featured in the end of the set. god i'd love to spend that amount of time at a club in ibiza and as the suns coming up hear the dj drop beachball

these threads are always good for many many laughs. i tip my hat to you threadstarter... trance people trying to wrap their heads around house music will always be funny as shit. by the way, when's the last time someone produced a trance track anyway? all i've ever heard from so-called "trance" producers these last several years is eurodance.

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Originally posted by Brian Scott Good recent "uplifting" house:

Ok, I'll admit I really dig this track.

I still like trance more, though. To me, house is about primal instincts like dancing, sweating, and watching women's bodies move.

Trance, on the other hand, spurs my imagination and makes me think of things not even remotely related to dancing. It's music to listen to when you're staring at the ceiling with the headphones on, and to me that makes it much better.

I know everybody thinks they're similar, but they really aren't all that similar. I'd say trance has more in common with new age music than house, honestly. It's dreaming music set to a beat, whereas house is pure dancing music.

EDIT: There are always exceptions, though. Tech house has a lot of dreamy elements to it, and is honestly closer to progressive trance than it is mainstream house.

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Originally posted by R!CH i tip my hat to you threadstarter...

Thanks, I'm glad you noticed this. My first line and final lines are clear indicators of where I wanted this thread to go. It's part troll and part serious. Kind of hard to explain actually. Everyone knows I like to

I was going to delete the thread earlier (just to piss people off and be a jackass), but I didn't because I liked where the thread was going.

please delete this...in no way can house be better than trance. okay, maybe in carrying most of the population of douchery.. i'll give you that :P

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Originally posted by Nerologic Thanks, I'm glad you noticed this. My first line and final lines are clear indicators of where I wanted this thread to go. It's part troll and part serious. Kind of hard to explain actually. Everyone knows I like to I was going to delete the thread earlier (just to piss people off and be a jackass), but I didn't because I liked where the thread was going.

we need more music like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RazvzLL5ZH0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emq2BCXqV8k

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Originally posted by system-7 please delete this...

It wouldn't be funny anymore if I did, earlier during the discussion it would have been more appropriate.

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Originally posted by Quazar Ok, I'll admit I really dig this track. I still like trance more, though. To me, house is about primal instincts like dancing, sweating, and watching women's bodies move.

Isn't this the point of Electronic DANCE Music?

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Trance, on the other hand, spurs my imagination and makes me think of things not even remotely related to dancing. It's music to listen to when you're staring at the ceiling with the headphones on, and to me that makes it much better.

Hence the name "trance." I think it's more about getting lost in one's mind than it is about dancing.

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Tech house has a lot of dreamy elements to it, and is honestly closer to progressive trance than it is mainstream house.

I don't know what tech house you're listening to. Perhaps you're confusing prog house with tech house?

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Originally posted by rizo seth troxler plays some awesome house!

damn skippy!

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Originally posted by Nerologic Thanks, I'm glad you noticed this. My first line and final lines are clear indicators of where I wanted this thread to go. It's part troll and part serious. Kind of hard to explain actually. Everyone knows I like to I was going to delete the thread earlier (just to piss people off and be a jackass), but I didn't because I liked where the thread was going.

I knew right when you posted this that you were on to something good. TA has been boring lately. We need a good conversation or argument every now and then. I especially like how Bas chimes in from time to time. The old man is really checking up on us to make sure we're behaving.

As for house music > trance music. thats a tough call and hard to explain what defines house.

I asked on another thread whats the difference between Armin or Ferry or Tiesto or PvD. They all sounded the same to me. Nobody answered. People just said they were different. I could only imagine that it was tough to explain.

Do what i do. Drink a loooottttt of booze, fat rail and a good pill. Then you'll have a good time... even to gabber

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Originally posted by 72hrpartyanimal I knew right when you posted this that you were on to something good. TA has been boring lately. We need a good conversation or argument every now and then. I especially like how Bas chimes in from time to time. The old man is really checking up on us to make sure we're behaving. As for house music > trance music. thats a tough call and hard to explain what defines house. I asked on another thread whats the difference between Armin or Ferry or Tiesto or PvD. They all sounded the same to me. Nobody answered. People just said they were different. I could only imagine that it was tough to explain. Do what i do. Drink a loooottttt of booze, fat rail and a good pill. Then you'll have a good time... even to gabber

Personally, I don't use drugs (unless you count caffeine and alcohol), but I will agree that booze makes bass sound better. :-)

Honestly, there is a lot of house I like. I love me some 70s disco, 80s synth pop, and 90s eurodance, so obviously some house music is cool to me. Plus, like you said, house has a gazillion sub-genres. Prog house and electro house sound almost nothing alike, just like psytrance and prog trance sound nothing alike.

But as I've said before, trance is just MORE to me. It can be dance music or the kind of music you listen to when sitting at the top of a mountain. And trance/progressive DJs use some house tracks, but house DJs don't ever use trance tracks, which means I'm going to choose the trance DJ every time, cause you get a bigger variety. (well, normally)

As for the difference between the DJs you mentioned: Armin plays a lot of anthem-style tracks, a bit of house, and a lot of the tracks that have trance-like buildups, but then drop into house-style repition, though he seems to be changing a bit now (finally). Ferry used to play a lot of hard, near-techno type songs mixed in with old-school anthems, but now he seems to be going more into progressive, with a lower bpm. PVD, who I've only seen once but sometimes catch his radio show, seems to go after higher-bpm, pure trance with less progressive than the others. Tiesto went from a trance DJ to a progressive DJ to whatever he is now.

There are definitely differences. :-)

But hey, we ALL have common ground: We all get grumpy when we see how successful Deadmau5 has become in such a short time. :P

@Brian Scott: Maybe I am getting prog house and tech house mixed up. I assumed most of Ozgur Can's stuff is tech house, and I like a lot of that. I also like a good amount of the stuff under the "tech house" section on beatport.

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Originally posted by Quazar @Brian Scott: Maybe I am getting prog house and tech house mixed up. I assumed most of Ozgur Can's stuff is tech house, and I like a lot of that. I also like a good amount of the stuff under the "tech house" section on beatport.

It's funny you picked Ozcur Can because he has been producing both prog house and tech house for a while now. He tends to incorporate both genres into his tracks. Prog and tech/deep house can be mixed together in sets rather seamlessly if the DJ's track selection is proper. Check out Stan Kolev if you like Ozcur Can.

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Originally posted by LYNDSAYwhaaat? I like all EDM. But am obviously a house head. But there are so many sub-genres of house now... I kinda have my own flavor. I like the old funky, feelgood stuff. (examples below) But also like prog (which can sound very trancey to me) and electro, and LOVE tech house. Trance is good too sometimes... (I agree with Dave, the newer melodies kinda all sound alike), but sometimes I'll hear a random song and go I esp like the harder bass-lines. But these below are def good examples of what I'm feelin. Some people tell me I'm still stuck in the 90's, but I don't care!

I've always found it hard to distinguish what house music is. From the examples above, this is what I've always thought true house music sounds like- an upbeat, happy, and funky sound with a hint of disco. If you ever go to Tapas for Focus Tuesdays in Newport Beach (a very popular venue in the So Cali house scene), this is the kind of house they play. I don't listen it too often but its fun to dance to. I do, however, love to listen to progressive house. The irony of it is that progressive house sounds more like trance than it does house, as someone pointed out earlier.

But yeah, I agree with most posts that say house/progressive house is a lot better to dance to. Trance on the other hand is a bit harder to dance to because the BPM is higher making it hard to get in rhythm (unless you shuffle hehe).

Overall, I love listening to most types of EDM because I need variety, but if I had to choose which is the best, I'd pick trance. It's like a rollercoaster ride- several loops, a build up where everyone puts there hands in the air and then a drop that has everyone screaming!

A lot of good points here. Main point I agree with is this:

House: Accessible, fun dancey
Trance: Melodic, emotional

Both are great on different occasions. Personally there is nothing more epic than standing among thousands of people and listening to an epic 2 minute trance breakdown/buildup. Also it's really fun to bump to some house music at a club in Europe. Both are great.

Newcomers to EDM do tend to favor house - trance is more focused on melodies and has long breakdowns which are intolerable to an average clubgoer. I can imagine seeing some DJ and having to stand there for 3 minutes during an epic long DJ Shah breakdown. It's tough! That's why guys like Tiesto and Armin pull it off - they have a lot of respect and people expect to hear epic shit so they don't mind.

I personally got into EDM listening to trance - it's way more melodic than house and I don't like music that often has to rely on just loud bass. However I certainly appreciate house and have enjoyed listening to some of the greats - case in point LBL and SHM at EDC fucking killed it.

Another thing I want to point out is that the most popular house DJs definitely have elements of trance in their music. Think Axwell and Kaskade - basically trancey house with epic melodic breakdowns. So those who completely haate on trance have to realize that even the most revered house DJs are not 100% house based.

Long story short, I'm not a big fan of 100% trance (think last hour of ASOT) but I'm also not a huge fan of 100% house because it's just not melodic enough. I like to stay right in the middle and listen to what I like!

psytrance > all

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Originally posted by LYNDSAYwhaaat? Haha... omg, CLASSIC! (I have that on vinyl... I think it was released in, what, like, 1996? 1997?) We should be friends

i think earlier.. lol but yes we should be friends.. its too bad all my mix tapes got all fudge and some lost as i moved from place to place. there just so many i love sf house, that's how i got into this whole edm thing (spelling?) Its something about those groovy base lines

here are some more of my favs










and for all you haters

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Originally posted by DizkokidD

Dope track! Old School...

I swear, back in the mid 90's all the mix tapes had that song and this song:


The Bucketheads - The Bomb
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haha I remember The Bomb- Bucketheads getting airplay on the radio during the mid 90's! I think Kiss FM was the only station that played it though. I wasn't familiar with house music as a genre back then but this song got me moving!

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Originally posted by DizkokidD

reminded me of this...

I've always liked this song. It was on this "Best of House Volume 1" CD I bought back in my newbie days:

Well since this is tranceaddict, this track has made it to my track of the year awards.

I'm bored, how about another ?



and when those that said trance isn't dancey enough God created...
wait wait.. minute.. 1:10.. ah yes..



enjoy

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