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Posted by StereoPrincess on Sep-09-2010 00:18:

oh. but rob ford, he fucking sucks and should go away. he actually won't do anything for the TTC, he said himself that he hates the TTC and always drives and will continue to drive.


Posted by Spam on Sep-09-2010 00:58:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
i dont even think shes putting up lawn signs or spending money. The queen needs to be dethroned!


She hasn't truly campaigned for as long as I've been alive. I've not seen a single Hazel sign or campaign announcement from her in my entire life. What scares me is, if she's dethroned... it'll be someone like Carolyn Parrish as mayor after her... Which is fine... I need a reason to move up north anyway.


Posted by Spam on Sep-09-2010 00:59:

quote:
Originally posted by StereoPrincess
oh. but rob ford, he fucking sucks and should go away. he actually won't do anything for the TTC, he said himself that he hates the TTC and always drives and will continue to drive.


If it takes him 4 years to destroy the unions and never be elected again, he'll have done his job.


Posted by Abercrombie on Sep-09-2010 01:49:

quote:
Originally posted by StereoPrincess
why can't they build something like the OCTranspo system in Ottawa. so fast to get around since the roads are built only for the buses. I didn't mind that at all.


It's too late... the Transitway was built while the city was still small and expanding around a city with a large green belt. It was cheaper than building a subway system. OC Transpo also had slinky buses decades before any other major city.























/Go Gee Gees!


Posted by smuncky on Sep-09-2010 02:17:

quote:
Originally posted by gilboman
lol at the idiots who thinks Rob Ford has any idea what he's doing.


funny how this is the only good post in this thread.


Posted by FunkyCrew on Sep-09-2010 02:51:

quote:
Ford really doesn�t like streetcars in any form, and trots out the expected complaints about how construction fouls up businesses, how streetcars delay traffic and thereby create more pollution. Indeed, he would shut down our streetcar network and sell our new cars elsewhere to recoup whatever money could be had. The platform material says Ford would remove �some streetcars�, but according to a media source, Ford wants to get rid of all streetcars in 10 years.

Oddly enough, they would be replaced by even more buses that would sit in the same traffic jams behind delivery trucks, illegally parked cars, taxis, J-walking pedestrians, and a whole range of problems common to congested 4-lane roads that cannot simultaneously be speedy arterials and local streets. Buses pulling into stops on narrow streets with parking regularly block through traffic because they can�t properly reach the curb. Bus bays are not an option because there are usually buildings right at the sidewalk.


excellent points this guy makes, me thinks - http://stevemunro.ca/?p=4333


Posted by Jayx1 on Sep-09-2010 02:54:

quote:
Originally posted by Abercrombie
Well that difference just makes ours even more worth saving doesn't it? Thank you.


the touristy street cars are on roads that arent even busy.

The only streetcars we should keep in toronto are spadina/queens quay and st clair. And why not run vintage cars on those for tourists? The rest need to go!


Posted by Jayx1 on Sep-09-2010 02:55:

quote:
Originally posted by FunkyCrew
excellent points this guy makes, me thinks - http://stevemunro.ca/?p=4333


steve munro is half the problem, not half the solution. He's an anti car nut as opposed to a transportation enthusiast.


Posted by FunkyCrew on Sep-09-2010 03:06:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
steve munro is half the problem, not half the solution. He's an anti car nut as opposed to a transportation enthusiast.


not sure where you're getting the anti car nut part?


Posted by shanny on Sep-09-2010 03:48:

When I am mayor it will be all Big Wheels All The Time!


Posted by Jayx1 on Sep-09-2010 03:50:

quote:
Originally posted by FunkyCrew
not sure where you're getting the anti car nut part?


all his articles reek of anti car bias. Ive read them all.


Posted by Abercrombie on Sep-09-2010 13:21:

quote:
Originally posted by malek
Solution: bigger buses!!



Posted by ChemEnhanced on Sep-09-2010 13:32:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
i dont even think shes putting up lawn signs or spending money. The queen needs to be dethroned!


yeah..she said she isn't going to bother. She could die and they could still put her name on the ballet and she would win.


Posted by VDub on Sep-09-2010 14:33:

quote:
Originally posted by Spam
If it takes him 4 years to destroy the unions and never be elected again, he'll have done his job.


And how do you figure that that's even possible???


Posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* on Sep-09-2010 16:20:

I loved street cars when I first moved to Toronto b/c at least I always knew where it was going b/c they stayed on one street. However, my love of street cars QUICKLY turned to sheer hatred. Not only could I walk faster than them, they are never on time - usually with 5 passing in the opposite direction before one comes your way, they are a pain in the ass to pass and they just suck.

The only thing I like about them over the subway is that if there was a problem I could easily jump off. But I can do that with a bus too. Let's go buses, let's go!


Posted by kotsy on Sep-09-2010 16:53:

quote:
Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~*
I loved street cars when I first moved to Toronto b/c at least I always knew where it was going b/c they stayed on one street. However, my love of street cars QUICKLY turned to sheer hatred. Not only could I walk faster than them, they are never on time - usually with 5 passing in the opposite direction before one comes your way, they are a pain in the ass to pass and they just suck.

The only thing I like about them over the subway is that if there was a problem I could easily jump off. But I can do that with a bus too. Let's go buses, let's go!


qft


Posted by Cribby on Sep-09-2010 17:07:

I'm only a fan of streetcars when they have their own dedicated lanes. Getting home from the St. Clair streetcar has never been so fast this past year.


Posted by StereoPrincess on Sep-09-2010 18:41:

quote:
Originally posted by Abercrombie
/Go Gee Gees!


What the Fuck's a Gee Gee? WHAT THE FUCK'S A GEE GEE!? WHAT THE FUCK'S A GEE GEE!?


Posted by ChemEnhanced on Sep-09-2010 18:47:

quote:
Originally posted by StereoPrincess
What the Fuck's a Gee Gee? WHAT THE FUCK'S A GEE GEE!? WHAT THE FUCK'S A GEE GEE!?


Its a horse racing term.


Posted by StereoPrincess on Sep-09-2010 18:53:

quote:
Originally posted by ChemEnhanced
Its a horse racing term.


it's also the stupidest name for a sports team ever!

GO RAVENS!!!


Posted by ChemEnhanced on Sep-09-2010 18:58:

quote:
Originally posted by StereoPrincess
it's also the stupidest name for a sports team ever!

GO RAVENS!!!


I don't know about that...it makes more sense then Ravens. A gee gee is the term for the first horse out of the starting gate....so it actually does mean something you can associate with sports.....what the hell does a raven have to do with sports.


Posted by Abercrombie on Sep-09-2010 19:41:

quote:
Originally posted by StereoPrincess
it's also the stupidest name for a sports team ever!

GO RAVENS!!!


I remember our Panda games when you had "Ottawa U Sucks" on signs on your side of the field during my frosh year.
The next year I was sure to carry a "Carleton Swallows" sign


Posted by MarkT on Sep-13-2010 03:30:

quote:
Originally posted by Jayx1
This has got to be embarrassing.

Even Slitherman's own brother supports rob ford! LOL!!!


how is it embarrassing when they've apparently been estranged for 20+ years (acc. to his campaign people)? of course the rag of a paper you quoted stuck one line in about them 'not being close' and now a bunch of retards think "wow, his own brother isn't supporting him!!!"


quote:
Originally posted by Orko
What advantages do street cars have over buses?

Buses > street cars
- can change route anytime they want.
- can change lanes.
- does not stop two lanes of traffic when picking up passengers.
- does not require driver to get out to change tracks.
- driver does not have to get out to realign power connector.

I think they are just bigger, not any more space efficient.


counterpoints I've read have noted that streetcars have significantly higher capacity than buses and the newer ones will have even greater capacity.

thus the argument is that more buses would need to be on the road to move the same # of people as streetcars, which is highly relevant if you're comparing emissions, congestion, maintenance costs, labour costs (every vehicle needs a driver), etc.


Posted by FunkyCrew on Sep-13-2010 03:49:

quote:
Originally posted by MarkT
thus the argument is that more buses would need to be on the road to move the same # of people as streetcars, which is highly relevant if you're comparing emissions, congestion, maintenance costs, labour costs (every vehicle needs a driver), etc.


yup, I think I've made this point a page or 2 back


Posted by Tordan on Sep-13-2010 17:50:

One reason I support transit city is the expansion into low income neighborhoods of the city. Take Scarborough for example where there are many new immigrant families who rely solely on public transportation. Many of them currently spend hours commuting to work and back. Providing a more efficient means of transportation in places like these will help a large segment of the population be more productive and will in turn be good for the city in the long run. But you can thank Dalton McGuinty for breaking his promises and putting the entire project in jeopardy.


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