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Originally posted by PurpleHaze Really anxious to check this place out

would like to join you....

Wow... it looks good enough for me to come all the way from Aurora.

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Originally posted by PurpleHaze Really anxious to check this place out

+1

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Originally posted by Knox would like to join you....

And me.

Let's do a reunion weekend in KW in the new year. My schedule is cramped from now until the end of the semester.

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Originally posted by Yohan What makes you so confident? Didn't Taboo tried to do EDM nights recently and failed miserably? I find EDM crowd very... specific in their taste of music. Very hard to please everyone. You have one bad night, or you play music not to taste of someone, and you probably won't see that person again. Hard to find a crowd that is open minded, and willing to give a club more than one chance in KW. (esp when they can spend their money in Toronto for more known quality of clubbing) And I'm going to slit my throat if I see one more commercial house based club in KW. (and that's about the most popular EDM music in KW area) Srsly. I'd kill to see a good trance or prog based club in KW. It's not that we don't want EDM club to succeed in KW area. It's just hard to argue against record of failed clubs in KW area. (For the record, I go to UW, though not recently attending classes due to work) and somewhat well informed of EDM scene in KW area

I can't speak for the KW area but I can speak from experience in seeing the EDM seen grow from being all underground in Windsor. I've lived here my entire life, and have gone to the countless clubs that have tried to do EDM nights, and full on EDM clubs...and now look at us. We have Ferry, Cox, Lawler, Ritchie etc. etc. coming to our town.

I think it IS possible to start a scene, especially with a lot of EDM becoming more University students listening to tunes than before. They may be new to the scene, or may not know that many DJs, but they know they like a certain sound.

I used to go to BBR years ago when it was called Blast and there would be a handful of people in the club max. Now, BBR just celebrated their 5th anniversary and the club was packed...on a Wednesday!

I know KW is different b/c it's so close to Toronto so people can just easily go there, whereas in Windsor we're quite far away, but people can't go to Toronto every weekend.

You just have to keep trying, and eventually a scene can break through. I wish Beta the best of luck!

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* I know KW is different b/c it's so close to Toronto so people can just easily go there, whereas in Windsor we're quite far away, but people can't go to Toronto every weekend.

and I think that is the major issue....too close to Toronto...KW area is going to have to compete with Toronto clubs and that will be difficult.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced and I think that is the major issue....too close to Toronto...KW area is going to have to compete with Toronto clubs and that will be difficult.

For those in the area, it saves a big pain in the ass in driving. For those that commute to TO to work, they don't feel like coming back to party.

As for myself, this may give me something different to do on the weekend nights I stay at my parents (between Guelph and Fergus).

AJ nailed it. I hate driving to and from Toronto. Hate hate hate it.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced and I think that is the major issue....too close to Toronto...KW area is going to have to compete with Toronto clubs and that will be difficult.

ChemEnhanced Strikes again!!! Another negative comment by the man himself. Anyone else feel like banning this guy from Beta once it opens? You know he'll be the guy walking around the club dissing it.

I'm all for the club and seriously hyped, I'll be making trips from my town on a regular basis. Sure will beat the 2.5hr drive to Toronto.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie For those in the area, it saves a big pain in the ass in driving. For those that commute to TO to work, they don't feel like coming back to party. As for myself, this may give me something different to do on the weekend nights I stay at my parents (between Guelph and Fergus).

Exactly. It's one thing doing it once in awhile, but not every weekend. Plus either having to have a DD or get a hotel. It's not an every weekend thing.

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Originally posted by jpoechman ChemEnhanced Strikes again!!! Another negative comment by the man himself. Anyone else feel like banning this guy from Beta once it opens? You know he'll be the guy walking around the club dissing it. I'm all for the club and seriously hyped, I'll be making trips from my town on a regular basis. Sure will beat the 2.5hr drive to Toronto.

How is that a dis? It's another perspective. Negative, yes. Contructive to the owners, yes actually. You gotta look at all sides for a business. That's all part of a business plan when you present it to a bank for a loan or venture capitalists. How many times have you told a girl the haircut she just got looks awesome, when it looks like a shamwow on a stick?

I would want to hear my challenges too when I start up a business, not just hear from fluffers.

I'm sure Ryan expected this when opening this thread. It's part of his marketing campain. For one I applaud him for stating it, and for two, he's taking his advice in a positive manner. Neither Ryan nor Chem seem to have their heads hiding in the sand, so all is good.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie How is that a dis? It's another perspective. Negative, yes. Contructive to the owners, yes actually. You gotta look at all sides for a business. That's all part of a business plan when you present it to a bank for a loan or venture capitalists. How many times have you told a girl the haircut she just got looks awesome, when it looks like a shamwow on a stick? I would want to hear my challenges too when I start up a business, not just hear from fluffers. I'm sure Ryan expected this when opening this thread. It's part of his marketing campain. For one I applaud him for stating it, and for two, he's taking his advice in a positive manner. Neither Ryan nor Chem seem to have their heads hiding in the sand, so all is good.

Exactly....I've already said numerous times that I wish them all the luck in the world and I hope it is a success. If Ryan wants to discuss some of the issues myself and friends have had with opening a club in KW then I would love to talk to him about them.

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Originally posted by Abercrombie For those in the area, it saves a big pain in the ass in driving. For those that commute to TO to work, they don't feel like coming back to party. As for myself, this may give me something different to do on the weekend nights I stay at my parents (between Guelph and Fergus).

I agree that for people in the area it will be nice to stay home and party in their own backyard. I just don't know if there is enough people to keep the party going every saturday....especially in the summer months. There will always be a portion of the party people that will go to Toronto because DJ So and So is in town.

Beta is already doing one thing right that will help them out...and that is bringing in international DJs. IF they bring in the right international DJs then they can probably get people from Toronto coming to KW to party...which has always been a problem. Way back in the late 90s and early 2000s it wasn't even something we considered possible.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced and I think that is the major issue....too close to Toronto...KW area is going to have to compete with Toronto clubs and that will be difficult.

The horse is dead already.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Way back in the late 90s and early 2000s it wasn't even something we considered possible.

Funny, because I remember going to see loads of international DJs in K-W in the late 1990s/early 2000s and there being a scene here - albeit a small one. Slam, Frankie Bones, Chris Liberator, Scan-X, Funk D'Void and Misstress Barbara are just a few of the people I recall having gone to see or DJed with at various venues/parties in days gone by.

The only place I've seen a club of this scope in terms of what they're putting inside Beta is NYC or Miami. Coupled with a sound booking policy, I expect this will work. It may not be packed out every weekend, but I think the time is ripe in this city for a venue to start doing something. It's worked here in the past at several venues that were nowhere near the level this is at.

You can make a clubnight work in a uni-based town. It's all down to the marketing and how you do it. I lived in St. Catharines for four years and ran a house club for 2.5 years that was very successful - and it was in a dive. The reason it worked was because we knew our market. While the majority of the 30,000 or so students in this area are probably into the whole top 40 thing, getting 500 of them out on a regular basis isn't probably that much of a stretch.

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Originally posted by loopdokter You can make a clubnight work in a uni-based town. It's all down to the marketing and how you do it. I lived in St. Catharines for four years and ran a house club for 2.5 years that was very successful - and it was in a dive. The reason it worked was because we knew our market. While the majority of the 30,000 or so students in this area are probably into the whole top 40 thing, getting 500 of them out on a regular basis isn't probably that much of a stretch.

any club in a university town is going to work during the school year....its the summer time that is always tough. I don't think Beta will have any problem getting 300-500 people to come out every Friday and Saturday during the school year. I just hope they have a plan for the summer time where your typical toronto type marketing will not work.

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Originally posted by loopdokter Funny, because I remember going to see loads of international DJs in K-W in the late 1990s/early 2000s and there being a scene here - albeit a small one. Slam, Frankie Bones, Chris Liberator, Scan-X, Funk D'Void and Misstress Barbara are just a few of the people I recall having gone to see or DJed with at various venues/parties in days gone by.

you took that quote completely out of context. I didn't say KW didn't have internation DJs coming into the area. I said we never considered it possible to get people from Toronto coming to Kitchener to party.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced any club in a university town is going to work during the school year....its the summer time that is always tough. I don't think Beta will have any problem getting 300-500 people to come out every Friday and Saturday during the school year. I just hope they have a plan for the summer time where your typical toronto type marketing will not work.

Universities and colleges have classes year round, they don't operate September to April like when you were that age. And what about the thousands of students who come back to Waterloo for their summer. Do they not go out???

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Originally posted by jpoechman Universities and colleges have classes year round, they don't operate September to April like when you were that age. And what about the thousands of students who come back to Waterloo for their summer. Do they not go out???

The number of students leaving the area is greater then the number of students coming back and staying. You can look at any of the bars/clubs in KW already and see that the number of students is much smaller. Any good business owner should have other options to bring in money during slow times. I'm sure the owners of Beta are smart enough to have some other source of income during the slow months. There is a fine line for making a profit in the club industry.

I stayed a summer for a summer class one year while at Ottawa U.

Both Carleton and Ottawa U campuses were dead, and the club scene because a tourist scene rather than a student scene.

Does K-to-the-Wizo have another market (like tourism in Ottawa) other than students, to support the summer months? Not sure if it does... but as Ryan explained, there's another clientele he's targeting too during the school year, so I'm sure once summer approaches he's have a plan.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced The number of students leaving the area is greater then the number of students coming back and staying. You can look at any of the bars/clubs in KW already and see that the number of students is much smaller. Any good business owner should have other options to bring in money during slow times. I'm sure the owners of Beta are smart enough to have some other source of income during the slow months. There is a fine line for making a profit in the club industry.

Again to compare with BBR in Windsor. It's always slower in the summer time due to the lack of University students, but it still pulls through.

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* Again to compare with BBR in Windsor. It's always slower in the summer time due to the lack of University students, but it still pulls through.

Only a very small percentage of clubs in a university town can make it through the slow summers long term.

I don't know but I assume BBR finds other ways to bring income in during the summer to help offset the slow times.

Beta appears to be putting in some serious money into renovations and such so depending on how fast they want to recoup the money will affect what decisions they make going forward. If their top 40 night brings in twice as much as their house night...how long will they keep the house night going? I know I wouldn't keep running a night that doesn't make me as much money when I have a lot of debt to recoup.

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Originally posted by ChemEnhanced Only a very small percentage of clubs in a university town can make it through the slow summers long term. I don't know but I assume BBR finds other ways to bring income in during the summer to help offset the slow times. Beta appears to be putting in some serious money into renovations and such so depending on how fast they want to recoup the money will affect what decisions they make going forward. If their top 40 night brings in twice as much as their house night...how long will they keep the house night going? I know I wouldn't keep running a night that doesn't make me as much money when I have a lot of debt to recoup.

I don't know. There's a LOT of clubs in Windsor. And the vast majority of them have been around for a long time. And it was only recently that BBR started doing boat cruises in the summer.

I could see BETA switching to top 40 all summer, and throwing your odd EDM event.

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Originally posted by *~LiSa-LoO~* I could see BETA switching to top 40 all summer, and throwing your odd EDM event.

And that has been my real issue this whole time. Its not that the club will survive....I'm sure it will....but will they continue with a dedicated House or EDM night.

dude why don't you just relax and just wait it out and see what happens. i mean seriously, I thought I was a a cynical person.....

BBR has the Detroit market too... HUGE advantage in staying afloat all year 'round.

When I went there once, there were a lot of Americans from Detroit that I met, that go because they are of age in Canada, but not the US. They can get shitfaced legally 2 years earlier in Ontario.

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