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Originally posted by stealthman Let's say you spilt coffee all over your flimsy midi controller/laptop and had vinyl/CDJ as a last resort. Would you still have more skill than the average DJ with minimum 2 years experience on vinyl/CDJ or would you run for the nearest sync button. You are not a DJ. Piss off.

The Numark Omni Control certainly is not flimsy. You should read a review about it.

Beatmatching on a good CDJ is just one notch above pushing a button. You have a digital readout of the bpm and have 0.02% pitch control... pretty simple to beatmatch with those tools.

Vinyl+turntable would be much more difficult for me but c'mon... vinyl is dead. I haven't seen someone use vinyl in a club in over two years.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery I'm pretty sure I've said nothing of the sort.

You said:
"Pushing a button is not a skill. You are not a DJ. Sit down."


Whoops... technically you are correct. I thought you implied more than you did. Please provide a list of skills someone MUST have to be considered a true DJ.

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Originally posted by brucelee6783 Lol what?

His CDJs only have 1% pitch control

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Originally posted by stealthman Learn with vinyl. End of story.

Sew with a loom, grind your own wheat to make bread, crank your car, learn to write with quill and ink. End of story.

About time to move away from a technology developed in the 1920s. It's 2010 already.

All producers should just slightly vary their tempo on their tracks just to fuck with people that can't do it.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery Ah, the internet - where any idiot can pretend to be anything.

Evidenced by your 'mixes' lol

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Originally posted by Mad for Brad All producers should just slightly vary their tempo on their tracks just to fuck with people that can't do it.

The autosync'ers would just keep hitting the sync button during transitions... not a problem.

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Originally posted by Apeattack His CDJs only have 1% pitch control

Lol you can't change it to at least 4 or 8%?

Worthless.

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Originally posted by Apeattack Whoops... technically you are correct. I thought you implied more than you did. Please provide a list of skills someone MUST have to be considered a true DJ.

There's only two things, really - track selection and mixing. If you're only doing one of these things you're just a jukebox.

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Originally posted by RyanVice Evidenced by your 'mixes' lol

You really suck at comebacks, you know?

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Originally posted by Apeattack The autosync'ers would just keep hitting the sync button during transitions... not a problem.

And that would be the same effect as touching the platter.

Obviously the patrons don't care if you beatmatch or not, beatmatching isn't now as important, but i just wanted to point out and i think it's not your case, that mixing in key phrases etc, cue point requires a lot of practice, i've seen djs use a midi controller and virtual dj and commit hundreds of mistakes in a row. In addition with master tempo and autosync people can beatmatch a 125 techno track with a 140 trance track (yes, i've seen adagio for strings vs house) and this can't sound well, the kicks are matched but over stretched, and the list goes on.

It's like having automatic transmision, you feel you can push the acelerattor and run faster faster faster... until you crash. With autosync and this tools you think you can do anything but you shouldn't

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery There's only two things, really - track selection and mixing. If you're only doing one of these things you're just a jukebox.

As you know, mixing is a lot more than just beatmatching. It involves (1) finding the 'good' entry/exit points, (2) 'good' EQing, and (3) beatmatching. The 'art' of DJing is with the first two points. The last point is robotic.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos Obviously the patrons don't care if you beatmatch or not, beatmatching isn't now as important, but i just wanted to point out and i think it's not your case, that mixing in key phrases etc, cue point requires a lot of practice, i've seen djs use a midi controller and virtual dj and commit hundreds of mistakes in a row. In addition with master tempo and autosync people can beatmatch a 125 techno track with a 140 trance track (yes, i've seen adagio for strings vs house) and this can't sound well, the kicks are matched but over stretched, and the list goes on. It's like having automatic transmision, you feel you can push the acelerattor and run faster faster faster... until you crash. With autosync and this tools you think you can do anything but you shouldn't

My point is that using autosync buttons doesn't automatically disqualify someone from being a good DJ, as many people in this thread believe. It seems that you don't quite hold that position.

I understand and incorporate into my sets the concepts of harmonic mixing, mixing in phrases, effects, and am pretty decent at EQing (listen to my latest mix and see if you agree ), but intentionally choose to use the autosync button because I have a midi controller with poor pitch sensitivity. I honed these skills over many, many hours of practice, studying tutorials online, and talking with other DJs.

Even if I had CDJ-800+ I probably would use Traktor and autosync because of the convenience. Besides, as I mentioned earlier, beatmatching on great CDJs is just slightly more difficult than using autosync buttons; 0.02% pitch sensitivity and digital readouts make beatmatching very easy.

I would agree that 'bad' DJs are more likely to use autosync buttons than 'good' DJs, but it is a mistake to believe that all DJs who use autosync buttons are 'bad.'

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Originally posted by Apeattack As you know, mixing is a lot more than just beatmatching. It involves (1) finding the 'good' entry/exit points, (2) 'good' EQing, and (3) beatmatching. The 'art' of DJing is with the first two points. The last point is robotic.

True enough, but you might want to read the bit I originally quoted to know why I responded the way I did.

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Originally posted by Apeattack Even if I had CDJ-800+ I probably would use Traktor and autosync because of the convenience. Besides, as I mentioned earlier, beatmatching on great CDJs is just slightly more difficult than using autosync buttons; 0.02% pitch sensitivity and digital readouts make beatmatching very easy.

It takes a lot more skill knowing where to drop the track and keep it in sync over a period of time (up to 1 to 1 and a half minutes for me) than it does just pressing an Autosync button. As far as autosync buttons go. You can't trust those things. Maybe once you start mixing with something other than Sean Tyas bass you will see that in actual tracks there are irregularities and foibles in the music that hasn't been fart bassed into 4/4 rigid nothingness.

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Originally posted by Apeattack If the audience is happy, I don't know if it REALLY matters if a set is pre-recorded or not. I would never prerecord and pretend to mix because it still doesn't 'feel' right to me, but I am unsure if prerecording is 'wrong' if the finished product is at least as good as what a DJ could do live.

Pre-recorded set = Madonna playbacking Britney tracks.

How on earth would someone want to pay for that?

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Originally posted by ZeJayMan It takes a lot more skill knowing where to drop the track and keep it in sync over a period of time (up to 1 to 1 and a half minutes for me) than it does just pressing an Autosync button. As far as autosync buttons go. You can't trust those things. Maybe once you start mixing with something other than Sean Tyas bass you will see that in actual tracks there are irregularities and foibles in the music that hasn't been fart bassed into 4/4 rigid nothingness.

This track has all the elements to destroy people ears if you trainwreck on it, but well dropped can make zombies jump.

Uplifting trance bass is often the same, the groove is acquired by punchy kicks , driving basslines and several hat patterns, it's rare to see percussions because the melodies need some room to breath, this is easier to mix, i consider uplifting trance as one of the easiest to mix styles.

But if you want something harder try to mix 4/4 house with dubstep or trance with drum 'n bass, that would be tricky with or without sync button.

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Originally posted by Mr.Mystery True enough, but you might want to read the bit I originally quoted to know why I responded the way I did.

Were you commenting more on RyanVice's posts than mine?

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Originally posted by ZeJayMan It takes a lot more skill knowing where to drop the track and keep it in sync over a period of time (up to 1 to 1 and a half minutes for me) than it does just pressing an Autosync button. As far as autosync buttons go. You can't trust those things. Maybe once you start mixing with something other than Sean Tyas bass you will see that in actual tracks there are irregularities and foibles in the music that hasn't been fart bassed into 4/4 rigid nothingness.

But if I only love mixing progressive house and trance, then I only need to know how to mix songs with a four on the floor beat, right? (although I often mix in tracks that start with no bass and use the bass from the outgoing song)

Just because I don't like mixing all forms of EDM doesn't mean I can't be good in my niche. Calling me a bad drum 'n bass or dubstep DJ, for example, means nothing to me. I wouldn't care.

(Btw, I'm kinda meh toward Sean Tyas. His productions are a bit too fast for me. Much more of a fan of a producer like Arty.)

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Originally posted by Voci Pre-recorded set = Madonna playbacking Britney tracks. How on earth would someone want to pay for that?

Your missing the point. If the audience KNOWS the set is all premixed then the patrons likely will not be happy. But if the audience doesn't know, and the premix is awesome, then is it 'wrong?' Everybody is happy, right? Most people on this forum will say it is 'wrong,' which is fine.

I am not completely sure premixing is 'wrong,' although I would never dream of doing it.

Arty is the most unoriginal artist right now, i've only 2 tracks from him and i feel i've his entire discography (Alpha 9 - Come Home (chill track and very enjoyable for a home listening) and Arty - Twilight Tonight (Arty Remode) here i love the chord progressions, i've started once a set with this, no reactions but that was expected this track isn't meant to be played in a club unless you want some climax)

But please stop defending premixed sets, that discussion has no ground to sustain. Mixing the tracks creates a flow which is important but possibly the only thing why some clubs looks for a dj and not for a jukebox is because a dj can react and lead the music in the proper direction. Premixed = Jukebox = average set for sure if not bad.

I rarely make a set similar to the other, i play at different time slots and in different clubs but sometimes i start energetic and feel people want some progressive house while other times people are clearly looking for techno. You can play on Friday and rock the club with techno and play techno on Saturday and get whistled.

Imagine how pity would be that people is telling to you "Please stop this, is annoying" or worst you see people leaving the club and you can't do anything, well you can start mixing other things, but you've already failed and most probably your mixing and overall track selection won't be as good as surely panicked.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos Arty is the most unoriginal artist right now, i've only 2 tracks from him and i feel i've his entire discography (Alpha 9 - Come Home (chill track and very enjoyable for a home listening) and Arty - Twilight Tonight (Arty Remode)

To each his own. During the past year I would argue Arty was THE breakout producer of the year. His productions and remixes were heard all throughout the year in clubs and trance radio shows. Personally, I love most of Arty's productions and remixes, especially these:

Mike Foyle - Blossom (Arty Mix)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mt_LOG-kLDE

D-MAD - She Gave Happiness (Arty Mix)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xRBz...feature=related

Most recently, Cosmic Gate - Back 2 Earth (Arty Mix)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6f-xSP75OIU

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But please stop defending premixed sets, that discussion has no ground to sustain. Mixing the tracks creates a flow which is important but possibly the only thing why some clubs looks for a dj and not for a jukebox is because a dj can react and lead the music in the proper direction. Premixed = Jukebox = average set for sure if not bad.

I am not "defending" premixed sets. I never said premixed sets were 100% OK or that I would ever use one during my set. Instead, I said that the term "wrong" may not be appropriate if everyone ends up happy. It is a philosophical point of view.

A premixed set may work a lot better for a big-name DJ (e.g., Armin, Tiesto, Guetta) than an opening DJ or a DJ at a small club. By the time the big-name DJ comes out the dancefloor already is packed and patrons are ready to dance. Unless the big-name DJ's set is a complete train-wreck it is unlikely that most patrons will leave the dancefloor before the end of his/her set. The DJ doesn't need to 'feel' the crowd because the crowd is so amped to hear him/her already.

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Originally posted by Rodri Santos Arty is the most unoriginal artist right now

+100000 cookie cutter cheese dick trance.

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Originally posted by Apeattack To each his own. During the past year I would argue Arty was THE breakout producer of the year.

Okay fanboy. LOL!! Do you have an Anjuna tattoo on your forearm as well?

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Originally posted by RyanVice +100000 cookie cutter cheese dick trance. Okay fanboy. LOL!! Do you have an Anjuna tattoo on your forearm as well?

I will never understand why people love to put down other people's taste in music. What a complete waste of time.

You don't like Arty? That's fine, but your opinion is the opposite of the world's top trance DJ/producers (Armin, Markus, A&B, Ferry Corsten, etc.) who have been playing Arty's productions all year long and featuring his songs in compilation albums.

You don't like trance? That's fine too. I really do not care.

Arty has been breakthrough dj but he is immensely overrated , his tunes doesn't have anything so special, they're all the same and he has been driven by a positive inertia if Armin didn't have played a track by him he would still be unknown and entering the djmag in his first year is an insult for a lot of dj's and producers, just see Rank1. Decades producing hits, making fantastic live sets and overcome by a kid.

And to be honest i consider the breakthrough is Avicii, i think he is the best in the mainstream , Arty is just another Anjuna broken toy, people someday will realise than Anjuna is the worst label ever founded.

If i ever see a big name playing a pre-recorded set i will surely react in some way they'd better don't try, if you pay 50� to enjoy a night and they play you something pre-recorded.... and the argument "you can still enjoy it since he has done just an outstanding mix according to his style" not true, djing is instict, i always think how i will lead the set at home (for example tomorrow i have a gig and i'm planning opening, closing and keystone tracks) but when you are in the booth i'd be lucky if i play some of the tracks i thought, sometimes rushing the wallet you see a track and instantly think "Perfect" and this few hints you receive unconsciounsly is what makes a set worthy.

For radio mixes works the same, sometimes i just picked 10 brilliant tracks that i thought "woahh choon after choon this will be gorgeous" and no, even if you organize them wisely is better to have 10 tracks that keep a flow and mood even if some of them aren't so good.

this thread has gone overkill

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