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Fuck, we're analysing Trance lyrics now?

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Originally posted by heisenberg That's what trance artist play and make these days, more electro house shittiness and calling that as trance. Electro and house are more popular than the real trance are, This is what's wrong with trance and what started Armin van Buuren is the biggest douchebag to blame though.He started this trend. 1. It was in 2006,where the tracks became electro farty influence(it still is) 2.Then the heavy supersaw, overcompression, Aly&Fila tunes came in.Though, it's more tolerable than electro shit that people call trance but still it's a problem.Genericness kicked in 3.Pop shit,the annoying singing overally cheesy vocals started the whole fucking up of the genre. 4.The minimal techy sounds.Techno used to be fucking awesome, but was ruined by sander van doorn farty/minimal annoying sounds. 5.The top DJ mag 100 became a bad joke that's predicable and the djs wanting to act like superstars. 6. Housey stuff ruined trance too, the whole reason trance was there was because it was meant to be different now it's has gotten ruined. That's what i feel is the fucking up of trance.

I did not know Trance around the time in 2006. I'm afraid I only knew Trance when in 2007... but I'm surprised I wasn't bandwagon'd into the new shit that is being made nowadays.

Armin is indeed to blame. His "Imagine" album, "In n Out of Love" craze attracted a bunch of poppy superstar type of Trance. It's just frustrating to see where it is going... I mean, even Armin's new album, "Mirage" seems so lifeless. Most of the songs seems so generic and limited...

I agree Sander Van Doorm is NOT good... lol

DJMag is terrible too.
House came back into the scene again because people found new Trance to be cheesey and retarded.

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Originally posted by Brink]I agree but I don't think it's the media's fault - it's the people. The fact is we're all to blame in one way or another. We don't like to look in the mirror very often but there's no-one who can be a connoisseur of everything. If you think about it, all of us is guilty to some extent. I'll admit I buy stuff from The Gap since I'm not very big into fashion, yet for someone in the fashion world I'm their worst nightmare. My point is, it's unrealistic to think that everyone will / or even could become so educated for everything, but that is the inherent problem with mainstream media and popularity. Once your goal is to please the most amount of people possible, you must sacrifice some of the artistic merit to do so. And yes before you name The Beatles as a counter example, there are always exceptions - but they're definitely not the norm..

I suppose you're right but...

Sometimes I think these asshole Trance DJs just become sellouts and want to fuck around with us so they could make money. They lost their inspiration and just want to put in 1% effort into anything influential.

Either that or, I can always be skeptical and think there is an outer organization or crazy hitman's threatening to kill the Trance artists and DJs if they continue to do anything influential. There's always a possibility that Tiesto is just a puppet of some higher grasp. (IE, the people he works for that supports him) or it could be that people just want the guy dead because he became too famous or something

i dont know... it could be anything. thats the point
but it all comes down to bottom line, which is, they make bad EDM nowadays

^ wrong

you're saying it started with In and Out of Love.
So wrong...

People also whined the same shit over Love You More. (2006)
Wait...

People also whined the same shit over Shivers... (2005)
Wait...

People also whined the same shit over Yet Another Day (2002)...

PEOPLE ALWAYS WHINED. NOTHING CHANGED. STOP WHINING!

Oh really?

I didn't say he started it, dumbass.
I said he destroyed it even more... But I didn't clarify that he destroyed it for people j. My generation so you are probabl lost

And yeah we really should stop complaining

justin beiber, american idol, paris hilton, perez hilton, kim kardashian....these are the people that destroyed trance

justin beiber, american idol, paris hilton, perez hilton, kim kardashian....these are the people that destroyed trance

I'm listening to it RIGHT NOW. DJ Tiesto's In Search of Sunrise Remix, no less. Pass me those pills.

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Originally posted by Voci ^ wrong you're saying it started with In and Out of Love. So wrong... People also whined the same shit over Love You More. (2006) Wait... People also whined the same shit over Shivers... (2005) Wait... People also whined the same shit over Yet Another Day (2002)... PEOPLE ALWAYS WHINED. NOTHING CHANGED. STOP WHINING!

Voci, your comments make me lol HARD of how little you know about trance. Armin has always been a Euro producer not a trance producer.

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Originally posted by Dj Pluviose I did not know Trance around the time in 2006. I'm afraid I only knew Trance when in 2007... but I'm surprised I wasn't bandwagon'd into the new shit that is being made nowadays. Armin is indeed to blame. His "Imagine" album, "In n Out of Love" craze attracted a bunch of poppy superstar type of Trance. It's just frustrating to see where it is going... I mean, even Armin's new album, "Mirage" seems so lifeless. Most of the songs seems so generic and limited... I agree Sander Van Doorm is NOT good... lol DJMag is terrible too. House came back into the scene again because people found new Trance to be cheesey and retarded. I suppose you're right but... Sometimes I think these asshole Trance DJs just become sellouts and want to fuck around with us so they could make money. They lost their inspiration and just want to put in 1% effort into anything influential. Either that or, I can always be skeptical and think there is an outer organization or crazy hitman's threatening to kill the Trance artists and DJs if they continue to do anything influential. There's always a possibility that Tiesto is just a puppet of some higher grasp. (IE, the people he works for that supports him) or it could be that people just want the guy dead because he became too famous or something i dont know... it could be anything. thats the point but it all comes down to bottom line, which is, they make bad EDM nowadays

The problem with the scene is not only the pop tracks, but it's a collection of a lot of OTHER things too. As I mentioned above, the main Culprit is Mr. Van buuren asshole who thinks Guetta/Mau5 are trance.What I wonder is why does house or electro or even tech house get picked for genericness.These days you see the producers have nothing new to show, so they are now bastardishing classics...why???

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Originally posted by heisenberg Voci, your comments make me lol HARD of how little you know about trance. Armin has always been a Euro producer not a trance producer.

But blaming him for what happened is just stupid. It's more like looking for someone to blame and Armin is an obvious choice.

I'm waiting for someone to blame God's Groove or all the others who added vocals to trance, look for the year



The track at the right is on the same album by the way. The album back then was top quality according to many and probably still is.

I seriously doubt Armin woke up one day and said to himself, "You know what? I think I'm going to ruin trance."

The music he associates himself with is stuff that he likes. Sure, when he's doing a mix set for an audience, he should try to please the audience. But when he's producing in his studio, I'm pretty sure he's making the kind of songs he wants to make, not what people want him to make.

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Originally posted by brucelee6783 I seriously doubt Armin woke up one day and said to himself, "You know what? I think I'm going to ruin trance." The music he associates himself with is stuff that he likes. Sure, when he's doing a mix set for an audience, he should try to please the audience. But when he's producing in his studio, I'm pretty sure he's making the kind of songs he wants to make, not what people want him to make.

this i think is a little delusional until the thought gets sharpened slightly:

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Originally posted by Trance-MB But blaming him for what happened is just stupid. It's more like looking for someone to blame and Armin is an obvious choice.

This makes a lot of sense. It seems like Armin just popped up as a historical figure to take the place. There's a weird drive towards the shittification of music in any genre and it seems general, with specific people coming into to fill up the general picture. We can't give Armin so much credit that his choices alone (of Deadmau5&whatever else) made the scene turn to so much shit. He's just not that important.

It can't be laziness either, because even on these forums i read of one producer spending 12 hours a day making his music -- which is devotion, dedication, passion, all that important stuff. But the end result was a track that still had the same feel as all the other stuff coming out of Armada et al.

the best explanation i could think of, very sketchy at best, is that at the beginning of trance, until around 98, there was a general sketchiness even in defining trance. it had a sound, but no formula. you had to experiment around until you found 'it'. after around 98, it became understood, and the formula took over for the producers. like, if you have ever produced, or even attempted to, starting is ridiculously difficult. what the fuck are you supposed to do? what direction are you supposed to take? the potential seems limitless and for that reason its suffocating. even making small decisions on what kick sound to use takes alot of energy.

having a formula - even a very very basic one like a 4-4 beat helps you. it became too understood what trance really "is". everyone knows that trance is the music with the truly great breakdowns, hypnotic synthlines, along with everything else. what finally got emphasized was these discrete pieces of the track that, once put together in the right order, made a trance track -- instead of this experimental knob-twiddling and tweaking to somehow get at the same result, but roundabout.

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Originally posted by pozz this i think is a little delusional until the thought gets sharpened slightly: This makes a lot of sense. It seems like Armin just popped up as a historical figure to take the place. There's a weird drive towards the shittification of music in any genre and it seems general, with specific people coming into to fill up the general picture. We can't give Armin so much credit that his choices alone (of Deadmau5&whatever else) made the scene turn to so much shit. He's just not that important. It can't be laziness either, because even on these forums i read of one producer spending 12 hours a day making his music -- which is devotion, dedication, passion, all that important stuff. But the end result was a track that still had the same feel as all the other stuff coming out of Armada et al. the best explanation i could think of, very sketchy at best, is that at the beginning of trance, until around 98, there was a general sketchiness even in defining trance. it had a sound, but no formula. you had to experiment around until you found 'it'. after around 98, it became understood, and the formula took over for the producers. like, if you have ever produced, or even attempted to, starting is ridiculously difficult. what the fuck are you supposed to do? what direction are you supposed to take? the potential seems limitless and for that reason its suffocating. even making small decisions on what kick sound to use takes alot of energy. having a formula - even a very very basic one like a 4-4 beat helps you. it became too understood what trance really "is". everyone knows that trance is the music with the truly great breakdowns, hypnotic synthlines, along with everything else. what finally got emphasized was these discrete pieces of the track that, once put together in the right order, made a trance track -- instead of this experimental knob-twiddling and tweaking to somehow get at the same result, but roundabout.

I agree with your post, and I think many trance producers follow the same formula, which could be the very reason trance is becoming so...predictable.

Btw, what specifically did you think was delusional about my post?

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Originally posted by pozz this i think is a little delusional until the thought gets sharpened slightly: This makes a lot of sense. It seems like Armin just popped up as a historical figure to take the place. There's a weird drive towards the shittification of music in any genre and it seems general, with specific people coming into to fill up the general picture. We can't give Armin so much credit that his choices alone (of Deadmau5&whatever else) made the scene turn to so much shit. He's just not that important. It can't be laziness either, because even on these forums i read of one producer spending 12 hours a day making his music -- which is devotion, dedication, passion, all that important stuff. But the end result was a track that still had the same feel as all the other stuff coming out of Armada et al. the best explanation i could think of, very sketchy at best, is that at the beginning of trance, until around 98, there was a general sketchiness even in defining trance. it had a sound, but no formula. you had to experiment around until you found 'it'. after around 98, it became understood, and the formula took over for the producers. like, if you have ever produced, or even attempted to, starting is ridiculously difficult. what the fuck are you supposed to do? what direction are you supposed to take? the potential seems limitless and for that reason its suffocating. even making small decisions on what kick sound to use takes alot of energy. having a formula - even a very very basic one like a 4-4 beat helps you. it became too understood what trance really "is". everyone knows that trance is the music with the truly great breakdowns, hypnotic synthlines, along with everything else. what finally got emphasized was these discrete pieces of the track that, once put together in the right order, made a trance track -- instead of this experimental knob-twiddling and tweaking to somehow get at the same result, but roundabout.

Amen. This guy knows WTF he is talking about.

Now that you mention it, Trance really does seem washed up and recycled.
It is like the Korean Dramas, that get reused over and over (almost all endings end with a car crash, accident, cancer, sickness to the protagonist)

Almost all the stuff I hear nowadays in the new Trance scene seems generic, like they follow a certain code and regulation... And once those are met, the "ideal of a Trance song" had been met.

Hmmm, I think What many artists nowadays are trying to do is either just make generic songs with improved technology.

I can tell there are some artists who are trying to change it or mix it up a bit too bit they can't.

Artists nowadays should expand their ideas on how to surprise and captivate the listeners, not make the money.

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Originally posted by Voci Trance-Addict.com killed trance.

Trance is ALIVE!!!

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Originally posted by brucelee6783 I agree with your post, and I think many trance producers follow the same formula, which could be the very reason trance is becoming so...predictable. Btw, what specifically did you think was delusional about my post?

i didn't mean to be so harsh, but ill quote again:

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Originally posted by brucelee6783 I seriously doubt Armin woke up one day and said to himself, "You know what? I think I'm going to ruin trance." The music he associates himself with is stuff that he likes. Sure, when he's doing a mix set for an audience, he should try to please the audience. But when he's producing in his studio, I'm pretty sure he's making the kind of songs he wants to make, not what people want him to make.

i wanted to show in my post above that this is probably true - armin probably does make what he wants in his studio, probably truly interested. but -- and this is the weird part -- the music he comes out with is so close to everything else that you cant even differentiate anymore, especially these days. you can be "true to yourself" and still make the same shit everyone else is making.

i think if you are a trance producer today you have to break with your own feelings. for real. there has to be some exploration outside of what you know and are comfortable with. search around and try to make trance out of non-trance material. all my mixes feature no trance tracks, but i try to make that feeling come up again.

even if you take something like a bassline, and think about how it is used in house, dubstep, garage, techno, jungle etc etc theres alot of room for variation. there gotta be some fucking around with them knobs. ye Dj Pluvoise said this right: a willingness to be broke.

Yeah, definitely agreed with you. It wouldn't hurt some of these producers to try new things.

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