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Somewhat OT, but if you guys ever want to see some REAL arrogance (usually from people without the experience, knowledge, or talent to back it up), go hang out at gearslutz for a few days.

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Originally posted by Kysora So someone who constantly helps other people out here is inherently a bad person because he doesn't sugar-coat his criticism? He works in an industry where I'm sure his own work has been shot down in pretty abrasive ways. How can you blame him for not beating around the issues that he points out in other peoples' music? As for the ego I cannot believe that anyone actually gets that touchy over someone actually thinking highly of themselves. I don't know if it's insecurity or jealousy or whatever the issue is but get the fuck over it. The guy is fucking successful. If he feels like reminding you guys of that because you are CONSTANTLY trying to call his experience meaningless, then let him. And as far as the internet is concerned, yes, the fact that abrasive humor is extremely commonplace makes me think you guys are acting out of line for overreacting to it, not the other way around. You're all adults, you should probably start learning how to ignore trivial bullshit and just take the good from people like him instead of going on with the unbelievably boring pedantry that typically goes on around here. There are times when he's out of line, I understand that, but he's done more to make up for it than anyone else here. Why you guys think the countless times he's helped us out when we need it is suddenly irrelevant is beyond me.

I don't have an issue with being blunt at all. It't the only way to improve, no doubt about that. Anyway, I stick to what I've said.

Why is this making you so mad though? If he can give out stick, he should be able to take a little.

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Originally posted by Kysora He was a wealth of knowledge in a giant pile of amateurs who are desperately trying to acquire it,

lol really most here will agree if honist making cool tunes to listin to and watch go of in a club is the main reason for producing in the first place.

i dont think you can class ta an academic music site and this is where people like mfb gets his problems by rubbing people up the wrong way.

i think in retrospect a private pm to anyone you would very much like to get any advice from is the way to go i guess thoe this is the production forum where ideas and insights are ment to be shared

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Originally posted by cryophonik Somewhat OT, but if you guys ever want to see some REAL arrogance (usually from people without the experience, knowledge, or talent to back it up), go hang out at gearslutz for a few days.

Lol! Future Producers is the place to go to hear the worst bedroom producer music on the web, have you seen that place?

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Originally posted by cryophonik Somewhat OT, but if you guys ever want to see some REAL arrogance (usually from people without the experience, knowledge, or talent to back it up), go hang out at gearslutz for a few days.

Try living with 9:1 ratio of arrogance to talent.













I've done it and it's fucking insufferable.

(And I don't think it's OT because M4B could put his money where his mouth was.)


Oh, and his contest was ACE, too!!





And Keysora +1























This thread does have me a little ticked off, about now.

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Originally posted by Avatar One Why is this making you so mad though? If he can give out stick, he should be able to take a little.

Because you guys are insulting and forcing out someone because of trivial, irrelevant shit that you guys choose to focus on instead of the massive amount of help he's offered. To me, that's completely unjustifiable and unfair.

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Originally posted by Kysora Because you guys are insulting and forcing out someone...

Similar to what's he's done to several noob producers who've had their first ever posts here ripped to shreds, in a very unkind way, by him.

I think his competition was a very generous gesture, and he does help people out - I don't hate him FFS.

Let's all chill out

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Originally posted by Avatar One Similar to what's he's done to several noob producers who've had their first ever posts here ripped to shreds, in a very unkind way, by him. I think his competition was a very generous gesture, and he does help people out - I don't hate him FFS. Let's all chill out

I've done the same thing. In almost every case, however, it's because the new producers presented themselves with a ridiculous amount of ego while offering very, very little in the way of substance.

I find your usage of the word 'noob' insulting.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker I've done the same thing. In almost every case, however, it's because the new producers presented themselves with a ridiculous amount of ego while offering very, very little in the way of substance.

I've done the same, but I'm talking about unwarranted rudeness, not idiots coming on here and talking about themselves as though they were BT's next coming, before linking to a piece of crap music.

this is without a doubt the most whiniest section of tranceaddict. I know you guys want to improve the place, but damn.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Somewhat OT, but if you guys ever want to see some REAL arrogance (usually from people without the experience, knowledge, or talent to back it up), go hang out at gearslutz for a few days.

Gearslutz has some very smart and experienced people, and some of the more famous topics are nothing to scoff at.

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Originally posted by Avatar One I've done the same, but I'm talking about unwarranted rudeness, not idiots coming on here and talking about themselves as though they were BT's next coming, before linking to a piece of crap music.

I've been on the receiving end of his bluntness a couple of times. He's said my music is only fit for mugwumps.

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...12&pagenumber=2

Here's how I handled it, the last time (along with some other "critics" who didn't seem to see eye-to-eye with me on the elementary level of their epic greatness).





My favorite post of mine in that thread, though, is where I break down the thread title for heliontide.

well i thought it was funny

Not worked up about the whole thing myself, but I basically agree with Kysora.

Too often "music is subjective" and similar platitudes are used to dismiss the value of knowledge and skills that take years and years of practice to develop, which M4B has and many or maybe most here (including me) do not. A lot of producers seem to have a certain comfort zone, a place where they feel that acquiring more traditional knowledge of music would not be worth it to them. In itself, this is fine, but sometimes it overflows into an obvious resentment and trashing of someone who is clearly on another level when it comes to that stuff.

I'm not suggesting it's about jealousy, necessarily. It's more a case of this petulant "Who does he think he is?! I'm just fine right where I am!" sort of thinking.

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Originally posted by Avatar One Similar to what's he's done to several noob producers who've had their first ever posts here ripped to shreds, in a very unkind way, by him.

I seriously doubt he's done that. If he did, like Eddie said, they had it coming to them.

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Originally posted by Kysora I seriously doubt he's done that. If he did, like Eddie said, they had it coming to them.

If I can be bothered later, I'll link to an example. It's what made me notice him in the first place.

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Originally posted by Beatflux Gearslutz has some very smart and experienced people, and some of the more famous topics are nothing to scoff at.

Obviously. Guys like Alan Parsons post there FFS. That wasn't the point.

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles I'm not suggesting it's about jealousy, necessarily. It's more a case of this petulant "Who does he think he is?! I'm just fine right where I am!" sort of thinking.

Yeah, that's what I don't understand. Music tastes and opinions are subjective but people seem to think things related to theory fall under the same category.

M4B literally spent his life studying and pursuing music, he's undeniably amazing at it, yet people try and reduce his experience and knowledge to nothing because they have their own uninformed beliefs and opinions that they feel are just as credible because "music is subjective". If I were M4B there wouldn't be words to describe how fucking aggravating it'd be to hear something like that, especially coming from bedroom producers over the internet.

I seriously hope he's having a good chuckle at all this.

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Originally posted by cryophonik Obviously. Guys like Alan Parsons post there FFS. That wasn't the point.

Haha, I know. I just don't want people to write it off.

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Originally posted by Kysora M4B literally spent his life studying and pursuing music, he's undeniably amazing at it, yet people try and reduce his experience and knowledge to nothing because they have their own uninformed beliefs and opinions that they feel are just as credible because "music is subjective". If I were M4B there wouldn't be words to describe how fucking aggravating it'd be to hear something like that, especially coming from bedroom producers over the internet.

how is he amazing? please inlighten me other then having clascal training and i know not many people will have this under there belts i cant see any greatness at all.

it's like me saying i have given all my life to one thing so i must know everything about it.





[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kysora
Yeah, that's what I don't understand. Music tastes and opinions are subjective but people seem to think things related to theory fall under the same category.

[QUOTE] by owien-this gets my goat personal tastes in music is what difines you otherwise what's point of referance will you have when making music?

and how will anyone get where that person is coming from if you make hip hop and its not liked by others who cares it's your bag

Howay guys wtf??

Yes M4B can be over the top and often is full of himself, but why does it bother you so much?? I like his humour, it's good crack, and the bits that are not, well, just ignor it. It's just words on a screen why let it get to you?? You should all know what he's about by now, at least enough to take what he says with a pinch of salt.
If his banter aint your thing, just don't read his posts.

Why should you have to put up with someone's blatant disrespect for everybody else, and constant chatter of how awesome he is, how you will never be as succesful, and all the other jargon he spills?

I don't want that shit in real life, and I don't want it on my computer screen.

Tell me to "stop being so sensitive" for all I care, but your good friend Mad4Brad got a little bit "sensitive" in this thread too, didn't he? Maybe you should tell him to lighten up

And by the way, he's not laughing about this right now. He thought that because of his musical knowledge he could come here and eventually say whatever he wanted to anybody and you sheep would lap it up because you looked up to him. Remember when he first made his return? Quiet as a mouse, now he's high and mighty again, just like "RichieV" was.. shock horror, before he fucked off the boards.

Baa!!!

I don't think anyone looks up to him, and he aint a good friend.
I have not got a clue who he is and couldn't give a shit. I must just be laid back because nothing what anyone says on here bothers me like it seems it does to alot of you. If a can learn something from all you guys, (which is ultimatly why I'm here) then thats a bonus, but the rest of it, well why sit and get all worked up about what someone says, that you don't even know, and does not know you.

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Originally posted by Andy28 Y It's just words on a screen why let it get to you??

Oh please. Are you really that much of an insensitive asshole?

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