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I really don't think a lot of things are going to change besides the fact that now the ones you know are gay wont lose their job.


If flamers are getting through after this to units then thats a failure on the part of the drill instructors and basic training. That "flaming" attitude obviously is not conducive to military decorum and I doubt those people would even join up in the first place.

In the end, I'm much amused by the uneasiness of a bunch of men in uniform about the possibility of having queers among them.

I say just give it time. a good 5-10 years from now, all this "uneasyness" will be behind everyone.

lol, behind.

lol, give.

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Originally posted by tubularbills I say just give it time. a good 5-10 years from now, all this "uneasyness" will be behind everyone.

+1

About fucking time.

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Originally posted by tubularbills I say just give it time. a good 5-10 years from now, all this "uneasyness" will be behind everyone.

Yeah, it will probably be blown over pretty soon.

I start recruiting in August so this will only make my job easier.

Past that ive served with people that were gay and theyve all been good folks that just got tired of hiding their "lifestyle" to make a living in the military.

This came from a much older friend of mine, so thus to say he is set in his ways and firmly beliefs Homosexuality is more "nurture" than "nature" as the Homosexual population as grown largely since he was a kid and I think we all have noticed it's rise in numbers as we have grown up. I take a much less un bias approach to any situation involving Homosexuality but he does have some good points. These are not my words (once again) nor do they really participate in the conversation of Gays in the Military but more of an overview of Homosexuality.

What are your thoughts on what he wrote to me.


"Homosexuality is not a genetic defect, It is a chosen lifestyle. Although the psychological genesis of homosexuality remains largely unexplained it is a mental sickness.

Homosexuality has taken a great variety of forms throughout the centuries and in many different cultures. Statistically speaking, as a given society increases its acceptance of homosexuality - so we observe and track a pattern of direct proportional increase in the number of sexual pedophiles, child pornography cases, kidnappings, rapes, and murders of children. Sadly, the majority of these crimes involving the kidnapping, violation, and/or murder of children, were acts committed by homosexually prone deviants.

The homosexual political agenda is a socialist action item. When the USSR collapsed people ignorant of the actual goals of socialism thought that Socialism was a failed system. Socialism is NOT a platform for social-political continuity. The goal of Socialism is to destroy the State so that the "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" will arise. Unfortunately the "dictatorship of the proletariat" is fundamentally Anarchy. What the collapse of the U.S.S.R. illustrated was that Socialism is extremely successful at destroying social order and paving the way for organized crime to take over"

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Originally posted by ModernNosferatu This came from a much older friend of mine, so thus to say he is set in his ways and firmly beliefs Homosexuality is more "nurture" than "nature" as the Homosexual population as grown largely since he was a kid and I think we all have noticed it's rise in numbers as we have grown up. I take a much less un bias approach to any situation involving Homosexuality but he does have some good points. These are not my words (once again) nor do they really participate in the conversation of Gays in the Military but more of an overview of Homosexuality. What are your thoughts on what he wrote to me. william ashley rant

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Originally posted by ModernNosferatu This came from a much older friend of mine, so thus to say he is set in his ways and firmly beliefs Homosexuality is more "nurture" than "nature" as the Homosexual population as grown largely since he was a kid and I think we all have noticed it's rise in numbers as we have grown up. I take a much less un bias approach to any situation involving Homosexuality but he does have some good points. These are not my words (once again) nor do they really participate in the conversation of Gays in the Military but more of an overview of Homosexuality. What are your thoughts on what he wrote to me. "Homosexuality is not a genetic defect, It is a chosen lifestyle. Although the psychological genesis of homosexuality remains largely unexplained it is a mental sickness. Homosexuality has taken a great variety of forms throughout the centuries and in many different cultures. Statistically speaking, as a given society increases its acceptance of homosexuality - so we observe and track a pattern of direct proportional increase in the number of sexual pedophiles, child pornography cases, kidnappings, rapes, and murders of children. Sadly, the majority of these crimes involving the kidnapping, violation, and/or murder of children, were acts committed by homosexually prone deviants. The homosexual political agenda is a socialist action item. When the USSR collapsed people ignorant of the actual goals of socialism thought that Socialism was a failed system. Socialism is NOT a platform for social-political continuity. The goal of Socialism is to destroy the State so that the "Dictatorship of the Proletariat" will arise. Unfortunately the "dictatorship of the proletariat" is fundamentally Anarchy. What the collapse of the U.S.S.R. illustrated was that Socialism is extremely successful at destroying social order and paving the way for organized crime to take over"

its fucking dumb-

there's not heaps of use responding to most of it, but homosexuality is far more nature than nurture: Most gay people i've asked have known they were gay since they were kids, it doesn't just happen one day, or happen because their mother treated them like girls instead of boys or some stupid crap like that:

the reason there are more now is because they won't be medically castrated if they admit they are gay now.

I highly doubt there are more gay people now than there have been in the past, its just that more gay people feel comfortable admitting it, or are able to live with it-

its not some social movement, and comparing it to one is absolutely ridiculous: homosexuality is not an ideology, its a physical disposition ffs.

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Originally posted by ModernNosferatu but he does have some good points.

why didn't you post any of them then?

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Originally posted by ModernNosferatu This came from a much older friend of mine, so thus to say he is set in his ways and firmly beliefs Homosexuality is more "nurture" than "nature" as the Homosexual population as grown largely since he was a kid and I think we all have noticed it's rise in numbers as we have grown up.

I think your friend couldn't be more misguided and, deep inside, I find his views so outrageously far-fetched and prejudicial that I'm almost inclined to call him a tosser.

I mean, really!? Try to put yourself in the shoes of a gay person if your friend's views were true: "Yeah, I'm going to choose to be persecuted by society and fancy dicks being shoved up my arse! No, it's no inner drive to get buggered, I don't feel attracted to men, I just want to... wait, the USSR what!?"

Your friend is pulling more out of his arse than a homosexual man pushes in his.

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Originally posted by Lira I think your friend couldn't be more misguided and, deep inside, I find his views so outrageously far-fetched and prejudicial that I'm almost inclined to call him a tosser. I mean, really!? Try to put yourself in the shoes of a gay person if your friend's views were true: "Yeah, I'm going to choose to be persecuted by society and fancy dicks being shoved up my arse! No, it's no inner drive to get buggered, I don't feel attracted to men, I just want to... wait, the USSR what!?" Your friend is pulling more out of his arse than a homosexual man pushes in his.

Posts like his make me sad that the internet exists because it allows like minded idiots like him to meet other like minded idiots. People organizing/communicating is fucking dangerous when there is this level of stupidity.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Posts like his make me sad that the internet exists because it allows like minded idiots like him to meet other like minded idiots. People organizing/communicating is fucking dangerous when there is this level of stupidity.

You rationalize things very well, Josssss.

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Originally posted by ivofivo You rationalize things very well, Josssss.

At least I wouldn't have to fucking read it.

I personally know many people that should have NEVER been given access to a public forum like the internet. They do not understand the repercussions.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby At least I wouldn't have to fucking read it. I personally know many people that should have NEVER been given access to a public forum like the internet. They do not understand the repercussions.

Nou, I really don't want to sound rude but what makes you think you're somehow in a better position to judge these people and what they're allowed to do/have?

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Originally posted by Lira Nou, I really don't want to sound rude but what makes you think you're somehow in a better position to judge these people and what they're allowed to do/have?

Because they are clearly delusional. Did you not read that post? That person shouldn't be allowed to have their opinions voiced. Its why we banned w_*ashley.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Because they are clearly delusional. Did you not read that post? That person shouldn't be allowed to have their opinions voiced. Its why we banned w_*ashley.

No, we didn't censor William Ashley because he was "clearly delusional" He was suspended due to his behaviour outside the threads in which he posted (and that doesn't need to be disclosed here because it doesn't concern anyone but him and the administration of this website).

What if we decided that you're delusional yourself? On what grounds could we revoke your right to have an internet connection?

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Originally posted by Lira No, we didn't censor William Ashley because he was "clearly delusional" He was suspended due to his behaviour outside the threads in which he posted (and that doesn't need to be disclosed here because it doesn't concern anyone but him and the administration of this website). What if we decided that you're delusional yourself? On what grounds could we revoke your right to have an internet connection?

Its just fucking annoying seeing idiots banding together and sharing opinions which all of the sudden become a popular opinion. Go read the comments section on CNN or any other US news site that allows commenting. Give it time and you will slowly feel that the right of free speech should be more clearly defined and more harshly denied.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby At least I wouldn't have to fucking read it. I personally know many people that should have NEVER been given access to a public forum like the internet. They do not understand the repercussions.

yeah, they should stay off the harmless internet, and take it out on the real world

crazy people are going to take their craziness out somewhere, better posting random shit (like you) than taking a gun to school.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby the right of free speech should be more clearly defined and more harshly denied.

do you realise how insanely ironic that statement is?

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Originally posted by EgosXII do you realise how insanely ironic that statement is?

Ironic how, in that I can say that because of free speech?

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Its just fucking annoying seeing idiots banding together and sharing opinions which all of the sudden become a popular opinion. Go read the comments section on CNN or any other US news site that allows commenting. Give it time and you will slowly feel that the right of free speech should be more clearly defined and more harshly denied.

Fair enough. Who exactly should define and deny these rights?

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Originally posted by The17sss Dude, I understand that. It's natural human nature for strait dudes to have reservations about serving in combat with homosexuals-

lol bigotry.

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