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Posted by Jackson on Apr-03-2011 20:46:

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On
No he didn't - he was just warned that there would be consequences. I'm sure that if they'd mentioned that innocent people would be killed during a protest, he wouldn't have had his little ceremony - not to mention there might have been a far more significant military presence at this UN Compound. Nobody knew this was exactly what would happen. You could have certainly guessed what might happen... but wouldn't that be admitting Pastor Jones was completely right?

In the UK it was reported that many innocent lives would be put at risk if he went ahead with his protest...and I believe they (the British Media) were paraphrasing what Obama said when he addressed the issue.

Posted by shaw on Apr-03-2011 20:47:

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Originally posted by Jackson
But the fact is he did it, even though he knew the consequences.

Attaching a warning to despicable, illegal actions doesn't change them at all, nor does it redirect blame from the ones carrying out the acts. I can warn my neighbor that if he buys an ugly, foul-smelling dog, I will shoot him and shoot the dog. That warning does not lessen my offense at all, nor does it make any blame attributable to either of them.

Posted by srussell0018 on Apr-03-2011 20:52:

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Originally posted by shaw
Attaching a warning to despicable, illegal actions doesn't change them at all, nor does it redirect blame from the ones carrying out the acts. I can warn my neighbor that if his dog barks again, I will shoot him and shoot the dog. That warning does not lessen my offense at all, nor does it make any blame attributable to either of them.

This.

These radical Muslims are behaving in a similar way to the Catholic church of hundreds of years ago. They see any non-Muslim as an enemy, and thus believe that murder is being justified through god or some other nonsense.

Posted by Jackson on Apr-03-2011 20:55:

Posted by srussell0018 on Apr-03-2011 20:57:

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Originally posted by Jackson
He should be charged with their Murders...He's just scum, plain and simple.

Posted by Jackson on Apr-03-2011 21:00:

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Originally posted by srussell0018

Does that mean that you thought I meant Pastor Jones should be charged with murder while the others are free to roam?

Posted by srussell0018 on Apr-03-2011 21:02:

It doesn't matter if you think the actual murderers should be free to go or not. Saying that the pastor is in any way responsible for those murders is misguided to say the least.

Posted by Spam on Apr-03-2011 21:20:

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Originally posted by Jackson
Agreed that he didn't break any laws, but should some law be put in place to prevent this from happening again?

No.

That's fucking retarded.

Posted by Spam on Apr-03-2011 21:22:

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Originally posted by dj_alfi
Noone is saying they are without blame. Fucking shoot them in the head. They are clearly very violent, and has no place in society. But Reverend Lovejoy over there is not without blame either, and should be penalized in the same way as the murderers.

Spokespersons for Islam have repeatedly warned about burning the Qu'ran, and what the repercussions might be like. He still went ahead and burned the book.

He is responsible for the protests, and deserves punishment fitting to the damages he is responsible for. Both the material damages and to the Islam/Western relations.

No, that's fucking retarded too.

He is NOT responsible for the protests.

The retarded delusional religious zealots who went on a murderous rampage are 100% responsible, and no one else.

Posted by Spam on Apr-03-2011 21:24:

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Originally posted by igottaknow
I'm surprised at you. I thought you of all ppl would have taken the book side. After all it was put on trial without a proper defense. It should have been at least been allowed an appeal before sentenced to death. Some librarian you are.

To be fair, he should have used pages from the bible as kindling for the koran.

Posted by Nrg2Nfinit on Apr-03-2011 21:37:

Jackson, just admit it you are wrong here. There is no justification on what happend in afghanistan, you can't pin this one on the pastor. No matter how stupid and ridiculous his ideas are whether he burns the books or whatever, it should never warrant any sort of killing. Now with that point stated, no one should be condoning his actions here no matter how silly the quuraan or any holy book for that matter is.

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Apr-03-2011 21:47:

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Originally posted by Jackson
But the fact is he did it, even though he knew the consequences.

So if I say, "If you reply to this post, I'm going to hunt you down and murder you with a chainsaw," and you reply and I chainsaw you, then you are partly to blame for my actions?

Posted by shaw on Apr-03-2011 21:51:

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
So if I say, "If you reply to this post, I'm going to hunt you down and murder you with a chainsaw," and you reply and I chainsaw you, then you are partly to blame for my actions?

Don't you think Swamper should make some kind of a rule against replying to threatening posts? That way no one will get chainsawed.

Posted by Jackson on Apr-03-2011 21:55:

Posted by Nrg2Nfinit on Apr-03-2011 21:56:

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Originally posted by MrJiveBoJingles
So if I say, "If you reply to this post, I'm going to hunt you down and murder you with a chainsaw," and you reply and I chainsaw you, then you are partly to blame for my actions?

To be fair, you are dealing with relgious idiots here who are influenced by text interpreted to justify their actions. Its like dealing with unstable people in a hostage situation, you probably shouldn't egg them on.

THAT being said, the person who egged them on isn't responsible for the killings but is responsible for instigation.

Posted by srussell0018 on Apr-03-2011 21:56:

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Originally posted by Jackson

Posted by Nrg2Nfinit on Apr-03-2011 21:58:

sick deltoids man

Posted by Jackson on Apr-03-2011 21:58:

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Apr-03-2011 21:58:

Welcome to the American south, Jackson!

Posted by Jackson on Apr-03-2011 22:03:

What I originally said was in haste, and what I have been trying to say I haven't been able to say clearly. I think NRGs last post about responsibility comes closed to what I was trying to get across.

But in all fairness, you guys make valid points

Posted by srussell0018 on Apr-03-2011 22:04:

It's your own fault Jackson.

Posted by igottaknow on Apr-03-2011 22:22:

I love these threads, small minds battling big ideas. Restating the obvious and tearing apart the previous posters opinions like paper shredder at an origami convention.

Posted by MrJiveBoJingles on Apr-03-2011 22:26:

I get a tiny burst of happiness each time I see "This person is on your Ignore List" in place of one of IGK's posts. Sometimes I click to view them anyway and I am reminded of why I put him on Ignore.

Posted by srussell0018 on Apr-03-2011 22:34:

Posted by igottaknow on Apr-03-2011 22:44:

I'm dieing to know why I'm on JBJ ignore list.

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