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| Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Bahahha  What kind of economy is China Kevin? |
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| Originally posted by Joss Weatherby The reason the US is going to fail is not an issue of control, its an issue of society, and you are part of the bad part. |
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| How do the rich get rich in this country? The weak consume their products. How will they have any consumers when they bankrupt this society? |
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| Originally posted by The17sss Yeah.... living in a certain state affects one's IQ. I'm not from the North East even though I was born there? You're a smart one. |
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| Originally posted by The17sss yeah... teachers are real decent these days. they'll shut down the capital of Wisconsin for weeks and get arrested for making death threats to lawmakers for being asked to pay a mere 12% of their own retirement and health benefits, which is still less than the private sector, while making twice as much as the average. |
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| Originally posted by The17sss The kind with no workers rights, who can force people to work for 16 hours and $2 a day. Slavery gets shit done. Let's not forget they have about 1 billion more people than the United States... yet our economy even in bad times last years was about $14 trillion to their $5.5 trillion. One of the main reasons they are growing is because they are moving FROM communism to capitalism, not the other way around dipshit. |
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| Originally posted by The17sss Just so you know- consumers don't have to buy the products businesses put out. Consumers control the market, not the other way around. Who's bankrupting society... the CEO who makes $6 million or the current administration that just put out a $4 trillion budget with a $1.6 trillion deficit? |
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| Originally posted by Moongoose Also, twice as much as the average? Are you pulling a John Kyl here? #notafactualstatement |
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| Originally posted by Moongoose Also, twice as much as the average? Are you pulling a John Kyl here? #notafactualstatement |
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| Originally posted by The17sss twice as much as the average/median private sector worker, yes... the salary + benefit package is about double. |
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| Originally posted by Joss Weatherby You honestly think we are moving to communism? Are you that fucking paranoid? Jesus fucking christ... I bet in your mind Eisenhower was a commie. When did this economic down turn start? Under Bush. Even if he had nothing to do with it (which I am not saying) how can you blame the problem on Obama, especially when its TECHNICALLY not gotten worse under him, and in many regards gotten better. You are a fucking serious wack job. Honestly baiting you like this is probably dangerous knowing how prone you people are to violence (do they have Safeways in North Carolina?) China will eat our lunch communism or capitalist, which they won't be either of, they will be a authoritarian socialist state with some free market values, the ones that benefit the state. They are pretty much already that. They do not need to move to a totally free market system, its not good for anyone. It means they lose control, if they stay too hardline they you get protests. They will embody what that student in Qatar said about not needing democracy when everything is provided for you. As for your argument about population, thats fucking stupid as well. China has one billion people so they must be able to do things better, yet countries like Norway and Sweden and Denmark have populations combined barely even amounting to 1% of the population of China and they are better off than us, and will be in the future as well. China already has a larger "middle class" than the entire population of the US and there is no sign in that middle class growing. Sweden and Norway and Denmark already have an incredibly high standard of living with a small population. So what is the US doing wrong? We have a society that is not interested in the greater good, nor does it have respect for its country, nor does it recognize that government is meant for the people, to better their lives. Its idiots like you that can not understand such simple fucking concepts. Concepts that drive many countries now and are paving the way for other countries to, paraphrasing Reagen, relegate us to the dustbin of history |
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| Originally posted by Joss Weatherby So they get over 60k in benefits per year? Lets see that data. I also had benefits, a 401k, full health + eye + dental. I do not think that amounted to 60k a year more. Explain these other magical benefits that teachers get. |
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| The showdown in Wisconsin over fringe benefits for public employees boils down to one number: 74.2. That's how many cents the public pays Milwaukee public-school teachers and other employees for retirement and health benefits for every dollar they receive in salary. The corresponding rate for employees of private firms is 24.3 cents. The average Milwaukee public-school teacher salary is $56,500, but with benefits the total package is $100,005, according to the manager of financial planning for Milwaukee public schools. When I showed these figures to a friend, she asked me a simple question: "How can fringe benefits be nearly as much as salary?" The answers can be found by unpacking the numbers in the district's budget for this fiscal year: |
i knew when i saw the explosion of posts that kev & nou were at it again.
you two are the reason the US can't have nice things.
Most of their benefits come from the systems pay-as-you-go pension system. That is hardly fair to label those as tangible benefits since they personally retain none of that money, and they (them and the district) are helping to fund the pensioners currently on it right now.
I would be hard pressed to find anyone who doesn't have an agenda like the author of that article clearly does, who would count pensions in a calculation of income, income that is used as part of their living expenses, especially when that pension is partly funded by the teachers themselves.
The truth of the matter is that teachers are very poorly funded. It is almost impossible for a teacher who does not come from a wealthy family or who has a wealthy partner to teach in a public school and make a living wage that will support an average family in this country. The cost of education for a good teacher is so incredibly high that it is prohibitive to go into the profession in the public sector, even if that teacher only attended state university. Many districts have had to lower there acceptance standards for teachers.
Teachers, along with public safety personnel are the most important assets of a society. They should not be marginalized like they are now. They should be hoisted up on the shoulders of the wealthy and society as a whole because their task is extremely essential.
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i knew when i saw the explosion of posts that kev & nou were at it again. you two are the reason the US can't have nice things. |
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| Originally posted by Joss Weatherby Most of their benefits come from the systems pay-as-you-go pension system. That is hardly fair to label those as tangible benefits since they personally retain none of that money, and they (them and the district) are helping to fund the pensioners currently on it right now. |
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| I would be hard pressed to find anyone who doesn't have an agenda like the author of that article clearly does, who would count pensions in a calculation of income, income that is used as part of their living expenses, especially when that pension is partly funded by the teachers themselves. |
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| �State Pension. Teachers belong to the Wisconsin state pension plan. That plan requires a 6.8% employer contribution and 6.2% from the employee. However, according to the collective-bargaining agreement in place since 1996, the district pays the employees' share as well, for a total of 13%. �Teachers' Supplemental Pension. In addition to the state pension, Milwaukee public-school teachers receive an additional pension under a 1982 collective-bargaining agreement. The district contributes an additional 4.2% of teacher salaries to cover this second pension. Teachers contribute nothing. �Classified Pension. Most other school employees belong to the city's pension system instead of the state plan. The city plan is less expensive but here, too, according to the collective-bargaining agreement, the district pays the employees' 5.5% share. Overall, for teachers and other employees, the district's contributions for pensions and Social Security total 22.6 cents for each dollar of salary. The corresponding figure for private industry is 13.4 cents. |
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| The truth of the matter is that teachers are very poorly funded. It is almost impossible for a teacher who does not come from a wealthy family or who has a wealthy partner to teach in a public school and make a living wage that will support an average family in this country. The cost of education for a good teacher is so incredibly high that it is prohibitive to go into the profession in the public sector, even if that teacher only attended state university. Many districts have had to lower there acceptance standards for teachers. |
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| Teachers, along with public safety personnel are the most important assets of a society. They should not be marginalized like they are now. They should be hoisted up on the shoulders of the wealthy and society as a whole because their task is extremely essential. |
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| Originally posted by The17sss Last response to your stupid ass: |
Duck season!
Rabbit season!
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| Originally posted by Joss Weatherby How do the rich get rich in this country? The weak consume their products. How will they have any consumers when they bankrupt this society? |
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| Originally posted by The17sss Usually people with nice(r) lifestyles from more wealthy countries are the ones making those statements about the beauty of simplicity of the (insert country) people. And not a 1 would actually change places with those Cuban peoples' situations... because they could if they wanted to, unlike those in the crappy conditions who can't escape their predicament. |
You moved to Florida though. Fucking Apopka. If The US' armpit had an armpit, you moved there.
I also spent a few months in Delaware training people for a huge warehouse they were building there. All they had to learn was how to scan a bar code and to enter a sku number. Needless to say most of the people who showed up quit when they realized that they had to actually do something and went back on food stamps.
I'd give a cuban the same scanner, not only would he do the job of 10 americans with a big shit eating grin and happy demeanor...but instead of complaining how he can't afford to go to Monte Carlo on government assistance (therefore negating the desire to work), he would probably float on the thing all the way to europe.
Macguyver was Cuban.
I blame the melanin.
least favourite spice girl for sure.
Oh, I finally get melly Mel.
i call her plantain tits.
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