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What are we doing about the vocal situation, anbody have it?
also is there a minimum length, i understand there can be no radio edits. 
5 or 6 minutes at the least? Just my opinion
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| Originally posted by xfer 5 or 6 minutes at the least? Just my opinion |
I think you can't judge, since you are gonna rename the files and lose the annonymus thing... Which is why it's important U don't tell me which mix is which.
More judges will be good!
id like to sign up for judging.....
if possible of course 
How is it going to be judged? Do the judges have to give full reviews for each song or is it just rating the tracks?
I might be interested in judging, but I don't want to write 20 reviews because I feel I'm not very good at it.. I'm happy to write some comments and stuff ..
Anyway, I think you can count me in as a jugde if it's ok for you guys 
The more jugdes the better...
sounds good. how to judge will be decided soon.. somehow by someone.
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| Originally posted by oDrori I think you can't judge, since you are gonna rename the files and lose the annonymus thing... Which is why it's important U don't tell me which mix is which. More judges will be good! |
) and we don't wan't judges to step out because they don't have the time or something.
Judges, check ur PM's!
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| Originally posted by attacc How is it going to be judged? Do the judges have to give full reviews for each song or is it just rating the tracks? |
judge on:
-overall impression
-originality
-intro, build up, etc.
-sound quality
-mastering
anything else?
I would say charisma... other than that it all seems fine
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| Originally posted by Robert judge on: -overall impression -originality -intro, build up, etc. -sound quality -mastering anything else? |
Charisma? What does that have to do with anything
It's not like we know any of these people personally, just their online personas
Yeah well, we're talking about the track's charisma, it needs to be interesting enough to make you want to hear those entire 5 mins + , eh?
I suggest we judge by general impression, because most of the things that Robert mentioned will kinda be under general impression. Like mastering, originality, sound quality and structure will affect the general impression you have of the song. You understand me?
Well in that case, I would think "charisma" would fall under the same category as originality wouldn't it?
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| Originally posted by attacc I suggest we judge by general impression, because most of the things that Robert mentioned will kinda be under general impression. Like mastering, originality, sound quality and structure will affect the general impression you have of the song. You understand me? |
Exactly, we need to minimize the effect of personal taste on the judges' decisions.
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| Originally posted by DC- Well in that case, I would think "charisma" would fall under the same category as originality wouldn't it? |
Suggestion:
-originality
Pretty clear right? Though a little originality is good, it can be overdone.
-complexity
Innovative rhythms, combination of notes. A good tune isn't too simple, because it will easily bore the listener, but like originality, complexity can be overdone. In that case the tune will probably annoy the listener.
-build up / break down
Does the tune have a thrilling energetic build up that makes you wanna party or a smooth flow lifting you high above the clouds and make you dream away? Or are you waiting for the tune to actually begin and before you know it it's over? Does it give you the time to slowly awake from your dream, or are you kicked from your cloud ending up with your face in the dirt?
-Connections
How are the different parts of the song connected? How do the different sounds sound together? Is it all connected?
-Sound quality / mastering (this is pretty much the same thing imo)
Pretty clear too... No annoying sounds or way too much midrange?
anything else? Other thoughts?
We could make a scheme... We could rate each aspect of the judging on a scale of 1 to 20 (depending on the number of aspects), and add the numbers together to come to an average percentage...
When we know on what aspects the mixes will be judged I'd like to work on such a schedule...
Grtz!
Agree
That's how the songs should be rated.
btw, my remix is turning out quite different from the original
Great! I'm curious!
Good thing I'm the first to hear all the mixes...
So were do we upload our remixes? Im almost finished
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| Originally posted by xfer So were do we upload our remixes? Im almost finished |
Overview
Well. here's the promised overview...
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TA Remix Compo Overview author: eieregooie special thanks to: oDrori, Robert COMPETING - Maximum number of competitors: 20 - Final date to enter the compo: September 10th 23:59 GMT - Contestants have to be a registered TranceAddict member for at least three weeks, to avoid people registering only to participate in the compo - Collaborations are allowed and will be treated as one entry - Contestants: 01 robstar 02 Haak 03 Veldrid 04 Access 05 Theotrope & FuzzyGreen 06 Peter Campbell 07 Trancevision 08 Lightworks 09 delphini blue 10 mantisnl 11 Project T 12 Mehari 13 big dave 14 TranceMasterUK 15 MadThijs 16 Robert 17 DaveC 18 DC- 19 xfer 20 dj dave b JUDGING - Minimum number of judges: 3 - Maximum number of judges: 5 - Judges get 2 weeks to do their judging after all mixes are in (October 14th 23:59 GMT) - Judges have to be a registered TranceAddict member for at least one month, to avoid people registering only to judge the compo - JUDGES HAVE TO BE DEVOTED TO THE COMPO TO AVOID JUDGES DROPPING OUT WITH SOME LAME EXCUSE - Mixes will be judged on the following aspects according the judging rules stated below - Originality (Pretty clear right? Though a little originality is good, it can be overdone.) - Complexity (Innovative rhythms, combination of notes. A good tune isn't too simple, because it will easily bore the listener, but like originality, complexity can be overdone. In that case the tune will probably annoy the listener.) - Build Up / Break Down (Does the tune have a thrilling energetic build up that makes you wanna party or a smooth flow lifting you high above the clouds and make you dream away? Or are you waiting for the tune to actually begin and before you know it it's over? Does it give you the time to slowly awake from your dream, or are you kicked from your cloud ending up with your face in the dirt?) - Connections (How are the different parts of the song connected? How do the different sounds sound together? Is it all connected?) - Sound Quality / Mastering (Pretty clear too... No annoying sounds or way too much midrange?) - Judges: 01 oDrori 02 McBigMac 03 attacc 04 bluejay 05 -=JC=- - Judging rules (how to judge) - I) There is no way to reinforce this, so judges will need to be trusted- We will ahve to stay as neutral as possible, overally judging th track to waht we consider a high level of production. - II) Again, can't be reinforced, judges must be trusted: We must treat each and every criteria and remix SEPERATELY, temporarily completely ignoring all other criteria when devoting thought to a certain criteria and all other remixs when devoting thought to a certain remix, no comparison. Judges should not and may not give a certain score to some criteria in order to bring the final average score to any value. - III) Scores are from 0 to 10, with the option of one digit of a tenth (EG X.6, 7.8 etc.) - IV) The average between scorings will be calculated this way: [Originality Score] * 2 + [Complexity Score] * 1.5 + [Buildup / Breakadown Score] * 1.5 + [Connections Score] *2 + [Sound-Quality/Mastering] * 3 = [Final Track Grade] (e.g. 4.5, 6.0, 3.4, 7.9, 9.3 will result 9+9+5.1+15.8+27.9=66.8) I suggest this because the Mastering aspect is the only completely neautral aspect and we should strive for neautrality, thus encouraging producers to use their style whilst knowing high-end production will be rewarded the most. Complexity and Breakdown are the most subjective aspects and thus should be minimized, and judged mostly by how fitting the buildups breakdowns and complexity of each track to it's style and artistic idea. As you see, a well connected& designed, plotted track with high sound quality and technical work will have half the work done, leaving the more subjective side with the rest of the score. - V) Judges are not to calculate the final score, but merely to keep track of each criteria's grade for each track within a .txt file, which at the end of the scoring will have it's contents copied and sent through E-mail or Tranceaddict forum personal message to the competitiona manager. - VI) Each of the competing remixers may or may not vote, using the Tranceaddict personal messages, to a remix of another remixer other than himself, by sending a message to the competition manager (Remixers will be allowed to download each f the remixes once they are renamed, and each remixer will be informed of his own number at the competition). All remixer votes will be gathered by the manager and at the end, the remix recieveing most votes will have 3 points subtracted from it's score on the Final List (See below). To partially avoid artists avoiding voting for others so as to not help them lose these points, each voting artist will lose 1 point at the Final List. The winning artist amongst these will lose the additional 3 points, as explained below. It's each artist's decision whether to vote or not to another. - VII) Along other tasks, the manager's role is to gather all grades, calculate each judges final score for each track, then sort a list of twenty track per judge, sorting them from the remix with the highest score to the lowest. Form now on, a remixe's score will only be used in case of a tie. - VIII) Each track's rank amongst the others will count as the number of points it gets in each judge's ranking (IE first rank recieves 1 point, second will recieve 2 and so on). Once the process of giving points is done for each judge, points will be gathered from all judges to compile the Final List. The remix with the least points will be decided the winning track of the competition. In case of any tie in points, including amongst lower places, the remix with the average highest score will win the higher spot over the other(s) - IX) The manager will notify the judges of the results within 48 hours of the judging deadline and submission of the judges decisions, he will as well notify the winner within 48 hours and the winner will post a message announcing his win by replyig inside this thread, and once the manager aproves, the winner is officially The Winner. After that the manager will post the final results. - X) Once The Winner had been announced, the competition is officialy over and the remixes may be shared and spread across the world wide web. The Winner and manager (plus possibly the judges) will take care of sorting the prize. MANAGING - One person will be selected to host the compo. He/she may not compete or judge. FTP server hosting experience required. - The manager gets 48 hours to come forward with the results after the judges scorings are in. (this will mainly depend on the time the judges spend on their judging)(October 16th 23:59 GMT) - Tasks: - Supplying serverspace - Renaming the mixes to numbers and keeping track of which mix is which - Managing the results received from the judges according the judging rules VII, VIII and IX - Manager: 01 eieregooie REMIXING - A poll among the contestants will determine the track to be remixed by the competitors - In case there are any MIDI files and/or vocals(acapella) available among the contestants from the track to be remixed they have to be shared with all other contestants - All mixes have to be 5 minutes at least, to avoid dull radio edits - MIXES MAY NOT BE SPREAD IN ANY WAY, UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES UNTILL THE COMPO IS COMPLETELY OVER - Only one mix per contestant may be uploaded to the server. So make sure you're completely satisfied with your remix before you upload it to the FTP server, there's no way back after you've uploaded. - Uploaded mp3s should be in 192kbit, 44.1khz, full stereo. - Mixes have to in BEFORE October 1st (September 30th 23:59 GMT) FINALLY - When a competitor is done with his/her mix, he/she must send a PM to the Manager asking for the server specs - When all mixes are up the Manager will provide all judges with server specs and the judging may begin Good luck to everyone! |
One thing I am afraid of as far as voting goes is that the judges will look for imperfections which one wouldn't notice otherwise listening to music.
For example, I can already see people commenting on how a track sounds empty, or bass isn't there or this or that, but when people comment on tracks in music discussion forum, or reviews forum, etc, you never hear any of that. You don't hear them complaining about how the leads aren't powerful enough, etc.
There's many songs that aren't complex as far as layering or melody goes but are great tracks and then there's tracks that are overly complex that aren't.
This situation is a double edged sword. As we all know, different people have different tastes, so simply voting for a track that you like the best doesn't work quite well. Then again, voting for the track which meets or doesn't meet the "technical" specifications doesn't work either because of the reasons I mentioned above.
I just don't see how the voting system will work fairly without straying towards one side.
There are certain occasions a large group of people like the same track, but it's difficult to speculate whether that'll happen with this competition unless the mixes are really good.
When it comes down to it, I'd rather see the tracks get voted on how good they are in the judges' eyes rather than how complex the melody is, if its original or mastered well (granted some things need to be there in order for track to be good).
P.S. A month worth of waiting for the winner to be declared is ridiculously long, these people are not writing 1000 page essays here.
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