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Originally posted by TheoneIrun2 You are even saying the same things he did 30 years later for fucks sake! No beegees! No beegees! Ishkur that is YOU right there! ^ I LET THE WORLD KNOW COWARD!

disco sucks was a great thing for the development underground music, especially house music.

Go ask the black folks leaving in the projects how good a thing rap culture that replaced disco was for their community! Ask them! Ask them About the funerals and the closed caskets every week!

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Originally posted by TheoneIrun2 And with with the new laws and attack on nightlife people are not finding out about dance music like they used to. Twilo, Deep, View, Spirit and Avalon, love, limelight, tunnel all raided at gun point! They hate the nightlife! Because it stands for everything people like ishkur are against! It stands for unity! For people celebrating life! Rich poor black white all together partying!

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Originally posted by TheoneIrun2 Go ask the black folks leaving in the projects how good a thing rap culture that replaced disco was for their community! Ask them! Ask them About the funerals and the closed caskets every week!

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Originally posted by TheoneIrun2 Nobody can break records unless he is playing along... unless he is on the radio unless he is doing pop collaborations! Unless he is all in the music videos with the akons of this world! The is no vehicle for people to express themselves and be able to reach people and shape culture independently!

Yes there is. It's called the Internet.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Yes there is. It's called the Internet.

Bullshit! Bullshit! You need money to be able to truly influence culture and reach people! And then you need more money! That is how you are able to rise from being a small town club dj to being somebody like paul Oakenfold and be able to put out music that will raise eyebrows of the big wigs in the industry as a force to be reckoned with! Of course Steve dahl is going to have a problem with him! GU007 sold 150.000 in the US alone! Now there is no variable economic model that can earn people a living yet alone anywere near that sort of that influence! Not though selling music on the internet! And there are few clubs left going too! So djs/performers/musicians are all employees of the industry. Disposable heroes or as ishkur likes to call them ''employees and inferiors!'' ''employees and inferiors!'' Everything we fought to get away from ever since Frank Sinatra's days! We have been through this already at the John fleming thread! JOOF told you! Didnt he? Didn't he?

The fuck is this bint ranting on about now? As far as I can gather, her argument goes something like this:

"For the true underground scene to survive, it must sell out to the mainstream. Then, and only then, will people truly appreciate the true underground scene."

She's completely contradictory. Don't worry about it.

Contemporary DJs earn a hell of a lot more money than Oakenfold did in the '90s. Back then he revealed that he earned �750,000 a year from DJing, which was considered excessive. These days, Tiesto has admitted to earning eight figures a year from his job.

Your problem is that you're ridiculously fucking naive. You even believe Oakenfold did everything for the love of music and just happened to get rich, even though there are interviews where he lays out his carefully planned marketing strategies in detail.

The problem with their being no money in record sales is that it forces DJs and musicians who want to make it to be even more ruthless and manipulative. It's not like everyone's suddenly doing it for the love because sales have dropped. Label and track whoring has always existed, but it's gone into overdrive in recent years. Everyone knows producers turn to DJing to make their money, and everyone knows that you can't be a big DJ without having productions to your name. I don't think there's a single name on the DJ Mag Top 100 who doesn't produce. The tracks themselves don't sell copies, but they are marketing tools that get you your DJ gigs that make you your money. They aren't marketed on MTV or Clear Channel or daytime radio or any of that other irrelevant fucking shit, you cretin. They're marketed through the fucking Internet. And trust me, there is still a hell of a lot of money to be made in scoring DJ gigs. People still turn out to see well-known DJs, and promoters still pay big money to bring them to town. There may be less club nights, but it's only no-name wankers like you who are getting muscled out of gigs. Local DJs suffer, the big ones profit. It's become a cut-throat industry.

And it goes further. If you want to book someone like Armin, you'll have to sign an agreement where you also book other DJs on his roster, even if you have no interest in putting them on. Funnily enough, these DJs are the same guys who are having their tracks whored out by Armin in his sets and on his radio shows. Which go out to millions of worldwide listeners, every week, on the Internet. Starting to make sense now?

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Originally posted by Sykonee The fuck is this bint ranting on about now? As far as I can gather, her argument goes something like this: "For the true underground scene to survive, it must sell out to the mainstream. Then, and only then, will people truly appreciate the true underground scene."

Are you confused?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J You even believe Oakenfold did everything for the love of music and just happened to get rich, even though there are interviews where he lays out his carefully planned marketing strategies in detail.

I don't give a fuck! More power to him! More power to him! The very idea that motivation should always be intrinsic and that there should never be any talk about money is the VERY fucking propaganda put out by people looking to manipulate and confuse others! I don't drink the purple juice! I don't believe the wolfcry! I don't believe the condemnation put forward by the Steve Dahls of this world! I don't believe in disco sucks! The fact is Paul Oakenfold was able to use his business sense (something you lack) and build this scene and and offer people a viable alternative to what the american music industry was promoting here. And for that he has my respect for life!

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J They're marketed through the fucking Internet. And trust me, there is still a hell of a lot of money to be made in scoring DJ gigs.

Who are these new djs making hits and making money in this environment? Who? Tell me some new names out there doing it and getting ahead in this environment using the internet as their sole promo and getting lucrative gigs who weren't popular to begin with? I'll start with deadmau5 and his million dollar 360 deal... Not sure if we can attribute his success to his grassroots internet promotion efforts but hey he is out there! Anybody else guys??? Because all I am hearing is the opposite... All I am hearing is labels calling it quits, clubs getting shut down and people from the industry now having a job that doesn't have anything to do with dance music! Let me remind you by the way...

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Originally posted by John 00 Fleming Being in this game for a long time, I've seen huge changes in the music industry. In fact the world seems to be run by big corporation companies these days. Most shopping malls look the same, having the usual big chain stores inside. Most towns and cities have a McDonalds, Starbucks and usual supermarket chains. Slowly the independents are getting pushed out the picture. It's no different in the music industry. We're being run by a handful of major labels (that use sub labels to hide their dominance). The independent labels don't really stand a chance in the new corporate world. There once was a day when independent labels would sign a band, tour them around the country in dirty bars, pubs and clubs and build them into something special and turning them into a chart success. The key to this was an outlet of independent record shops where specialist fans would discover new music and bands and support them. Unfortunately this community network no longer exists. The people who worked in these stores .... Where true music lovers. Geeks passionate about music. I miss these days of turning to these people for advice when finding music..... We now live in a World where people want instant gratification, so download stores saw an end to physical shops. The same instant gratification saw the rise to the X-Factor/pop idol culture. We see 'normal' people from the street in a TV competition and instantly want to see them turned into pop stars. The same applies in our specialist dance music World, people are making tracks to become instantly famous so they can tour the World as a DJ. The music cluttered in download shops is testament to this. It's impossible for a band on an independent label to make it into the top 40 charts these days. That chart is run by the handful of major labels and the infrastructure they control. The same can be .... said about the handful of labels that dominate dance music scene. .... It's easy to say that digital downloading killed our specialist records shops. But we lost a lot more than that. We lost our local communities, our outlet of information about up and coming artists, bands or DJ's. Importantly we lost those passionate kids that worked in those stores. Instead we get force fed information from corporate companies telling us what we should be listening too and the inflated electronic hype that comes with it. .... .. .. Let's hope the same technology that took away our specialist communities can help us survive. It's never been about competing with the corporate companies, it's about having a support network. .... That's the difference with passionate music lovers, they are always there to help, and it�s never about being competitive. The trophy holders can keep their awards. To us this means nothing. I want that family community back with likewise people to share my passion with. ....

Remember this one? Remember this?
I bookmarked it!

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J And it goes further. If you want to book someone like Armin, you'll have to sign an agreement where you also book other DJs on his roster, even if you have no interest in putting them on. Funnily enough, these DJs are the same guys who are having their tracks whored out by Armin in his sets and on his radio shows. Which go out to millions of worldwide listeners, every week, on the Internet. Starting to make sense now?

Oh... I see.... The internet...

































Armin is on satellite radio you moron! 24 hour sundays on satellite Radio! You know... at the music channels on everybody's television... you know... just a few channels up from the Howard-Fucking-Stern show! Sure beats forum spamming doesn't it? Now how do you even put him in the same box as your average dance producer/label owner/dj and say there is the internet and you can spam it and see... see... tons of record sales! Bullshit! You lie and lie over and over!

I had no idea Ann Coulter was into Armin.

Italics and exclamation marks!

Needlessly exaggerated questions with too many question marks???

I respond to arguments with all the embellishment of hyperbole, as though I am a foreigner!!!

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Originally posted by Ted Promo I had no idea Ann Coulter was into Armin.

Me neither!

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On I respond to arguments with all the embellishment of hyperbole, as though I am a foreigner!!!

Where are you from?

Canthwess.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Canthwess.

Any foreigners there?

No, actually, everyone's related. And loves Ferry Corsten.

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On No, actually, everyone's related.

One big family huh?
That is true love right there...

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On And loves Ferry Corsten.

Say... did you get a chance to show Ferry that love?


(as though you were a foreigner)

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Originally posted by the1IRun2 Who are these new djs making hits and making money in this environment?

The list is too exhaustive to begin detailing, but just at new entries onto the DJ Mag list like Sied Van Riel and W&W. Unknown a couple of years ago, successfully inducted into the trance family now.

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Now how do you even put him in the same box as your average dance producer/label owner/dj and say there is the internet and you can spam it and see... see... tons of record sales! Bullshit! You lie and lie over and over!

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J The tracks themselves don't sell copies

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J The tracks themselves don't sell copies

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J The tracks themselves don't sell copies

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J The tracks themselves don't sell copies

Nah Jack, that's not going to work.

Watch...

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J The The tracks themselves don't sell copies.

Let me get this straight here....
The internet is a great promotion vehicle for up and coming artists so they can put out their tracks which themselves wont sell copies and generate any sort of profit but are never the less are veeeeery valuable to the artists (or some label looking to sign tons of them) because in an environment where everybody and their uncle is putting out tracks and without any profits from the actual record sales to be able to invest back in and buy some promotion for those tracks.... presumably those tracks will really make an impact and get down loaded lots of times and presumably will earn those producers DJ gigs too without the help of some other factors like affiliation with a big record label or some Big DJ/Laber owner preferably somebody who got a chance to make a name for himself before the scene turned to shit.




































Your ideas are interesting never-the-less fly in the face of reality! Sorry!

Now are you so lacking in business sense that you can't put what you just said on a sound basis? Please tell me you are pulling my leg here you couldn't possibly be this stupid!

You can't possibly be this insane or delusional.

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