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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Depends on how you break it down. Most of dubstep is shit, but if you look closely, most atmospheric dubstep is very listenable, where as 99% of brostep is awful.

I've been trying to check out every single suggestion on here.

This peeks my interest, can you give an example?

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Originally posted by Lews The friendfs of mine from high school who listen to brostep and shit are the people who listened to like "hipster" music in igh school and who think they're really special and unique and have found this great "underground" music. I don't think they listened to hardcore sceramy shit. They just think it's good underground shit. God I hate them.

Ok, as a fan of many types of music I have to ask this:

Do you listen to any kind of metal/rock? Just wondering what you mean by "screamy shit"... stuff like Threat Signal? Or stuff like It Dies Today? Or? There are tons of "screamy shit" but in different contexts, genres and styles. Some cool, some shitty.

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Originally posted by nefardec I've got all these midwest kids I went to high school with who live with their parents still who love brostep, or as they call it 'Dub'. They will post on facebook about it on the regular, mobile phone shots from skrilly concerts, or status updates like "mixin' dub with my bros" bleghhhh

Again, I will venture out there on this limb and ask for you guys to help someone learning: Difference between dub and bro? (Slap)

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Originally posted by enydo Skrillex is fucking terrible. I don't produce (working on it), but you can check out my mix that's right up there ^ if you'd like! Skrillex fucking sucks and he looks like a joke. HEY GUYS, MY PARENTS LET ME BE PRETTY GOTH.

I think he's amazing. He takes things into another level. Music is always in the ear of the beholder, but that is my opinion. I don;t judge him on his appearance... I like him for the candy he fucks my ears with.

And, I saw the goths back in the day of creation... he isnt goth.

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Originally posted by echoshade555 I've been trying to check out every single suggestion on here. This peeks my interest, can you give an example?

It's piques, you Skrillex shilling Philistine!

My sister said that she prefers brostep over dubstep because she finds that there's "more to dance to".

No words. No words.

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Originally posted by echoshade555 Again, I will venture out there on this limb and ask for you guys to help someone learning: Difference between dub and bro? (Slap)

Dude I posted like 6 videos in this thread already of what real actual good dubstep is. And so have others.

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Originally posted by echoshade555 I think he's amazing. He takes things into another level. Music is always in the ear of the beholder, but that is my opinion. I don;t judge him on his appearance... I like him for the candy he fucks my ears with. And, I saw the goths back in the day of creation... he isnt goth.

To you it's candy. To me it's like somebody inserting a running electric screw driver into my ears.

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Originally posted by echoshade555 Again, I will venture out there on this limb and ask for you guys to help someone learning: Difference between dub and bro? (Slap)

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper http://dubstepmassive.net/2010/11/what-is-brostep/ I must say I like the term "mid range cack" better myself, as "brostep" regrettably is bound for glory as another sub-genre at this point.

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper

The article you quoted goes on to say that in spite of brostep being thought of as a predominately male genre, it seems to be popular among women.

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Despite being known as hard and horny raw dong music for sweaty males to �bro out� to, brostep actually tends to pull in a larger female audience who prefers the dancier, more jump-up nature of the �hype bass party music� over the heavier dubstep, even if they have to put up with a mosh pit here and there to experience it.

Could explain the whole "ear sex" angle she has.

I don't go to parties where the stuff is played, so I couldn't say, to be honest. I quoted it because it explains the musical differences.

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Originally posted by nefardec people love anything that makes them feel special. especially generation entitlement.com

Granted, but what we're trying to work out is what musical properties of the genre make such a large demographic feel so special.

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Originally posted by echoshade555 I've been trying to check out every single suggestion on here. This peeks my interest, can you give an example?

In fairness Adam, what you've posted is more of the straight-up "real" dubstep, with perhaps a techy-dubby vibe. And I find Pinch in particular to be achingly dull. The stuff I call atmospheric dubstep (a sub-genre I've completely invented) gives me the same vibe as atmospheric jungle, but with dubstep rhythm and bass structures.

I guess im needed here?

All quality labels, lots of smaller once. Mostly melodic/chill/intelligent/new stuff, some classic dark Dubstep.

Deep Medi
Swamp 81
Hotflush Recordings
Tempa
Hyperdub
DMZ
Tectonic
Apple Pips
Numbers
Echodub
On The Edge
Noppa Records
Surface Tension
Transistor
Well Rounded Records
Night SLugs
Unique Cut
Tube10 Recordings
Exit Records
Hobby Industries
Immerse Records
Naked Lunch

7even Recordings
Apparition Recordings
Apple Pips
Argon Records
Atom River
Black Acre Records
Black Box
Mata-Syn
Wheal & Deal Records
Subsolo
Skull Disco
Osiris
PTN
Smoking Sessions

Pushing Red
Fortified Audio
Exit Records
Subdeth Records
Brownswood Recordings
Chestplate
Cloqworq Recordings
Chestplate
Critical Music
Dark Arx
Monkeytown Records
Luetia Dubs
Hessle Audio
Hemlock Recordings
Digital Soundboy

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J In fairness Adam, what you've posted is more of the straight-up "real" dubstep, with perhaps a techy-dubby vibe. And I find Pinch in particular to be achingly dull. The stuff I call atmospheric dubstep (a sub-genre I've completely invented) gives me the same vibe as atmospheric jungle, but with dubstep rhythm and bass structures.

I don't know. The stuff you posted, yea it's pretty nice, but at the same time kinda feels "cheap". Kinda like progressive house on Mistiquemusic sounds compared to prog on say, labels like microCastle and Sudbeat. I just find the stuff you posted lacks the warmth of the stuff coming out of Bristol and London, for the most part.

I'm surprised dubstep got commercialized so fast. I figure even when something gets into mainstream radar there's quite a bit of an incubation period for a watered down horrible version of it to steal the genres name and defame it. For example what happened to trance took a few years.
I've never found dubstep to amusing. A track here and there yes. But all in all no. Regardless, it's sad to see such raping of any edm genre.

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Originally posted by Adam420 I don't know. The stuff you posted, yea it's pretty nice, but at the same time kinda feels "cheap". Kinda like progressive house on Mistiquemusic sounds compared to prog on say, labels like microCastle and Sudbeat. I just find the stuff you posted lacks the warmth of the stuff coming out of Bristol and London, for the most part.

I really don't understand what you're saying at all. How do "cheap" and "warm" relate? I also find that whole microCastle et al prog sound very uninteresting. There's a lot of disposable shit on Mistique, but I'd rather hear the good stuff like Michael & Levan and Timewave than any of that blandly tasteful stuff.

The sound is tinny. I don't know, maybe it's all digital production. I'm pretty sure there's at least some analogue in all of the tracks I posted.

As for the prog, well to each to his own. I think a lot of the stuff that you indicate that you like sounds very bland and uninspiring to me. Flat even. A lot of those tracks just drown you in layers and layers of melodies and completely forgo any sense of groove.

Whatever, it's not like this will get anywhere, but hopefully you'll understand my point about the tracks you posted vs. the ones I did. I'm not saying they're not good in any way, I'm just saying that they lack the production quality that I've come to look for.

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Originally posted by Adam420 I don't know. The stuff you posted, yea it's pretty nice, but at the same time kinda feels "cheap". Kinda like progressive house on Mistiquemusic sounds compared to prog on say, labels like microCastle and Sudbeat. I just find the stuff you posted lacks the warmth of the stuff coming out of Bristol and London, for the most part.

Just doing a quick comparison between what both of you have posted, I don't think I could point to any qualitative difference between either. There are differences, which I suspect lie primarily in how the production process for each shaped the sonic focus. Your examples tend to heavily emphasize musical sound design where-as SYSTEM-J's seems to be oriented towards a unified ensemble sort of sound.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker The article you quoted goes on to say that in spite of brostep being thought of as a predominately male genre, it seems to be popular among women. Could explain the whole "ear sex" angle she has.

Actually a funny thing -

I know a girl who I went to high school with who came out as a very butch lesbian (boi) and recently friended me on FB. I've been fascinated, stalking her facebook. Actually she is a massive overshare, so at first it was involuntary, but then I became hooked. She lives in the midwest, in a very homogenous town, with no real LGBT community to speak of. So she hangs out with her lesbros a lot. At least once a week she will post stuff like "mixin' dub (code for brostep) and drinking PBR with ___, ___, &____". The rest of the week she will post about how much she drinks, where she is off skateboarding with her lesbros, or even more common - what celebrity femme she wants to bang at that moment, or how many women she is ogling at a strip club.

I can't help but feel all these stereotypically masculine activities are correlated with brostep.

First of all let me say that I think it's generally ridiculous to describe any listening of music for music itself as gendered in any way. But unfortunately, society is generally ridiculous, and as a result, a lot of music IS loaded with gender roles. It is kind of silly to make the comparison I am making though, because something like going to a strip club is obviously chauvinistic since it deals with women in a very explicit way, whereas brostep doesn't really deal with women as its object.

I suspect that women liking brostep has something to do with the dance and energy aspect of it, but also something to do with a whole 'raunch culture' aspect. Similar to how some women may feel like to be considered 'hot' or 'cool' among their social group they have to do 'bro' things like go to a strip club, or that men will think they are hotter if they make out with their girlfriends, etc. It's a weird kind of 'if you cant beat them join them', post-feminist, reverse-chauvinist kind of mentality. I love a good gender stereotype challenge, but to me this seems less of a challenge and more of a surrender. In a truly liberated, post-feminist world, we might think of college bros dancing to 'femmestep'.

Now I don't know how much all this I described is actually a factor - like I said I think it could be somewhat a factor, but even if it is, it's definitely not all of the factor. Every teenager loves loud noisy music.

That said, it's rare you see girls with grotesquely huge sound systems in their own cars, with all the doors open in the parking lot of their local applebee's, and a blue glow emanating from the bottom of their car. And there is a reason we call it 'Brostep'

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Just doing a quick comparison between what both of you have posted, I don't think I could point to any qualitative difference between either. There are differences, which I suspect lie primarily in how the production process for each shaped the sonic focus. Your examples tend to heavily emphasize musical sound design where-as SYSTEM-J's seems to be oriented towards a unified ensemble sort of sound.

That seems like a good way to put it. I guess I'm just more about the little details while Jack is about the big picture

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Originally posted by nefardec Actually a funny thing - I know a girl who I went to high school with who came out as a very butch lesbian (boi) and recently friended me on FB. I've been fascinated, stalking her facebook. Actually she is a massive overshare, so at first it was involuntary, but then I became hooked. She lives in the midwest, in a very homogenous town, with no real LGBT community to speak of. So she hangs out with her lesbros a lot. At least once a week she will post stuff like "mixin' dub (code for brostep) and drinking PBR with ___, ___, &____". The rest of the week she will post about how much she drinks, where she is off skateboarding with her lesbros, or even more common - what celebrity femme she wants to bang at that moment, or how many women she is ogling at a strip club. I can't help but feel all these stereotypically masculine activities are correlated with brostep. I suspect that women liking brostep has something to do with the dance and energy aspect of it, but also something to do with a whole 'raunch culture' aspect. Similar to how some women may feel like to be considered 'hot' or 'cool' among their social group they have to do 'bro' things like go to a strip club, or that men will think they are hotter if they make out with their girlfriends, etc. It's a weird kind of 'if you cant beat them join them', post-feminist, reverse-chauvinist kind of mentality. I love a good gender stereotype challenge, but to me this seems less of a challenge and more of a surrender. Now I don't know how much all this I described is actually a factor - like I said I think it could be somewhat a factor, but even if it is, it's definitely not all of the factor. Every teenager loves loud noisy music. That said, it's rare you see girls with grotesquely huge sound systems in their own cars, with all the doors open in the parking lot of their local applebee's, and a blue glow emanating from the bottom of their car. And there is a reason we call it 'Brostep'

I suppose if I were asked to come up with a one word description of it, that word would be homeovestic.

In a lot of ways, brostep seems to be centered around its brash, raw sound. I remember a lot of AK1200 style DnB (which I honestly can't really stand, either) seemed to attract a lot of people wearing Metalica t-shirts. Musical tastes are reflections of self (hence, arguments tend to become tortured and convoluted where music is concerned, with a lot of perceived attacks where none were meant).

Whatever could be said for its musical simplicity, brostep is almost anarchic, pushing out past constraints formerly levied by the strict quantization of its predecessors (Acid, Hard House, Jungle (AK1200 DnB), et al, and putting forward even more chaos, just as insistently but still way outside the box while still maintaining a driving, rhythmic structure impelling dance. The question then is, what do these characteristics satisfy? I suspect the answer to that is revealed in the nature of your impromptu case study.

A young lesbian, rebelling against her own femininity and a local society that does not support either her inclinations nor aspirations, finds a reprieve from oppressive societal constraints in music which is masculine and chaotic and capable of erasing both the tension seething in a boring milieu and that milieu's effigy.

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Originally posted by EddieZilker Whatever could be said for its musical simplicity, brostep is almost anarchic, pushing out past constraints formerly levied by the strict quantization of its predecessors (Acid, Hard House, Jungle (AK1200 DnB), et al, and putting forward even more chaos, just as insistently but still way outside the box while still maintaining a driving, rhythmic structure impelling dance.

very good observation.

it's the musical equivalent of running away from home.


with the neurofunk and hard drum and bass stuff i always got the impression it was more of a nerdy, dick-swinging, guns and ammo thing - it had a lot to do with certain movements in graphic design too, lots of futurist, para-military, technosexual wet dreaming, with high levels of overarticulation. These people had whole mythologies like "Planet of the Drums". It was like the official music of Duke Nukem

brostep is just noisy for the sake of being noisy. there's no mythology. It's stupid, uninventive music for getting stupid to.

The hyperarticulation of the wobbles and efx and all is like the equivalent of an overarticulated tribal tramp stamp or a fox news breaking news video effects introduction.

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Originally posted by nefardec brostep is just noisy for the sake of being noisy. there's no mythology. It's stupid, uninventive music for getting stupid to. The hyperarticulation of the wobbles and efx and all is like the equivalent of an overarticulated tribal tramp stamp or a fox news breaking news video effects introduction.

Sig worthy.

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