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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit So who cares that we are skewing it? we know that life will persist easily within 10 degree temperature fluctuations. That is my point. Regardless of what we do, life will persist.

Are you retarded? We know that life will persist �easily� within a 10 degree fluctuation when that 10 degree fluctuation is achieved over millions of years. If we achieved a 10 degree increase in mean temps over a couple of months, eco systems everywhere would be destroyed. Guess what? We rely on eco systems.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit I never said that emissions didn't have an impact.

I know, I was just being clear about my position.

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Originally posted by Meat187 Let's however not forget all the idiots that buy into a climate catastrophe hysteria scenario propagated by the media and then derive the most stupid counter-measures.

I don�t know. I don�t hang out with hippes.

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Originally posted by Meat187 I'm not talking about people believing scientists. I'm talking about people believing media shit like "let's all turn off the light for one hour" or letting politicians get through with any tax or regulation that allegedly saves the planet. Believing the scientists is fine, I do it myself.

It's hard to take the media seriously, I give you that

i fucking love these threads

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wrong thread but applies all the same, wierd

ta is going downhill ever since obama got elected

Whether or not you believe CO2 emissions have a direct result in climate change, there is no denying that the recent (last 50 years) increases in CO2 emissions has caused the pH level to decrease in the ocean which destroys marine life and eco-systems.

This is fact and cannot be disputed through disbelief.

Also, the technologies that emit CO2 cause pollution on unprecedented levels. There's no denying that we would have a healthier world by investing in cleaner technologies. The air quality is only getting worse and it does affect our biological systems, especially infants in their development and pregnant mothers.

Climate change will always have its cynics, but I think the discussion should move to topics concerning how our technologies are really affecting the planet. I personally think climate change is a waste of time because the disbelief and politics poisons the debate.

I think it's simple; our current way of doing things is unsustainable. If you disagree, I would love to hear your input concerning topics like trash, acidification of the ocean, air quality, etc.

Oh, one last thing, if you really think that the increase in CO2 emissions has no adverse affect on the planet, you probably failed high school chemistry and don't know shit science.

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Originally posted by OurManFlint Oh, one last thing, if you really think that the increase in CO2 emissions has no adverse affect on the planet, you probably failed high school chemistry and don't know shit science.

Oh, you brainiacs and your facts! Science is worthless, I trust my gut! And my gut feeling says we need to make more money and ignore these lying nerds!

And my gut feeling also says I want more strawberry cake. On a SUV. Felling trees.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Are you retarded? We know that life will persist �easily� within a 10 degree fluctuation when that 10 degree fluctuation is achieved over millions of years. If we achieved a 10 degree increase in mean temps over a couple of months, eco systems everywhere would be destroyed. Guess what? We rely on eco systems.

And i guess you're the genius who thinks that we can actually raise the earth's temperature by 10 degrees in a couple of months lol.

Why don't you throw a couple of meteors on teh earth while your at it as well; as if the KT extinction wasn't a prime example of the veracity of life.

Lets just look at carbon emissions for a second to humor you:







compared to where we are below



im pretty sure life persisted 500 million years ago and carbon levels were unimaginably higher.

The point is that carbon emissions are not a simple linear correlation to temperature. The idea that we could actually increase the temperature of the earth by over 10 degrees is ludicrous. And if that were the case, im sure it would be irrespective of anthropomorphic carbon emissions.

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Originally posted by OurManFlint This is fact and cannot be disputed through disbelief.

I choose the facts I want to believe and I believe that your facts are only the opinions of a godless heathen who shall spend an eternity in hell once October 21, 2011 passes.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit And i guess you're the genius who thinks that we can actually raise the earth's temperature by 10 degrees in a couple of months lol.

I figured I wouldn�t have to explain that comment, but apparently you�re fucking thick.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit im pretty sure life persisted 500 million years ago and carbon levels were unimaginably higher.

what has that got to do with anything I�ve said? Are you even fucking reading my posts? Jesus Christ.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit The point is that carbon emissions are not a simple linear correlation to temperature.

Yeah, no shit Sherlock.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit It's odd that i'm even having this conversation with you, the guy who is all anti conspiracy theory, now taking about raising the mean temperature of earth by 10 degrees with these levels of carbon emissions. Irony at its best.

Yeah, your idiocy and inability to read sure is funny. I mentioned 10 degrees because that�s the example you used. Moron.

I think you need a meteor to hit your face.



Because you've completely missed my point from the beginning.

climate change is an important subject for scientists because when people are scared of it more jobs are created and they get paid!



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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit I think you need a meteor to hit your face. Because you've completely missed my point from the beginning.

Possibly. The only thing I gleaned from your posts is that you have no idea what you�re talking about.

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Originally posted by Flec climate change is an important subject for scientists because when people are scared of it more jobs are created and they get paid!

yep, its just one big conspiracy. Unfortunately deadshits such as yourself don�t possess the grey matter in order to debunk the mountains of made-up scientific research and save us from all the paranoia.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit The point is that carbon emissions are not a simple linear correlation to temperature.

You are taking a very simplified view of the effects of CO2 emissions.

Go and read my post on the acidification of the ocean and the quick destruction we are currently witnessing of marine eco-systems directly caused by the high C02 emissions.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Possibly. The only thing I gleaned from your posts is that you have no idea what you�re talking about.

And my point was (if you read my first/second post) that ecosystem's that get destroyed, get replaced by new ones. even with drastic change in environment (IE KT extinction).

Now the impact on human life? That is another question which i raised in the second post that you didn't even bother to look at.

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Originally posted by OurManFlint You are taking a very simplified view of the effects of CO2 emissions.

perhaps, but don't you think certain organisms that exist will thrive in these kinds of environments?

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Go and read my post on the acidification of the ocean and the quick destruction we are currently witnessing of marine eco-systems directly caused by the high C02 emissions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acidophile_%28organisms%29

Nrg2Nfinit digging another one of his holes. I wonder how long it will take him to give up and start backpedalling this time?

i think i've made my point clear from the beginning of this thread. No need to reiterate it several times. If anyone thinks AGW will end up destroying the life on this planet, they clearly don't understand the history and persistence of life, even through the quickest and most drastic changes.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit i think i've made my point clear from the beginning of this thread. No need to reiterate it several times. If anyone thinks AGW will end up destroying the life on this planet, they clearly don't understand the history and persistence of life, even through the quickest and most drastic changes.

Who in this thread has said that?

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit i think i've made my point clear from the beginning of this thread. No need to reiterate it several times. If anyone thinks AGW will end up destroying the life on this planet, they clearly don't understand the history and persistence of life, even through the quickest and most drastic changes.

Yeah, but what are you basing that statement on, when as has been stated multiple times, THIS time is NOT LIKE the last times... Especially when the LAST TIMES were not documented--

you're saying people (read: 99% of the scientific community) are wrong for not realising the historical realities of change, when 1: the history isn't certain, and you definitely don't know much about it, and 2: the people you're saying are wrong (the scientists) are the ones who TOLD YOU about the history!!

I am not denying the change (I have clearly stated this from the beginning of the thread). I am denying the speculation based on the changes and the end result.

And for system J, i am reiterating the point i've made from the beginning of the thread. Those who are arguing against me are arguing against that sole premise.

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Originally posted by EgosXII you're saying people (read: 99% of the scientific community) are wrong for not realising the historical realities of change, when 1: the history isn't certain, and you definitely don't know much about it, and 2: the people you're saying are wrong (the scientists) are the ones who TOLD YOU about the history!!

No i never said that, you aren't reading what i wrote. Scientists aren't the ones proclaiming that the Himalayas are going to melt by 2035. Remember that. scientists are the ones that make an analysis on what has already occurred.

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Originally posted by Nrg2Nfinit No i never said that, you aren't reading what i wrote. Scientists aren't the ones proclaiming that the Himalayas are going to melt by 2035. Remember that. scientists are the ones that make an analysis on what has already occurred.

for what purpose do they do that?

the whole system is based on a belief in causation mate; the whole purpose of scientific analysis is to study not what happened, but what will happen again.

edit: We've been reading what you write, you're just making extremely shallow claims. It seems like people aren't adressing your statements, but what we're actually doing is adressing your IMPLICIT claims.

Science IS predictive, through its (hopefully) accurate descriptive analyses.

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Originally posted by EgosXII the whole purpose of scientific analysis is to study not what happened, but why and how it happened.

fixed.

scientists are not speculators.

How can you reference something that hasn't occurred yet?

I prefer the term "climate improvement."

I personally believe Global Warming to be a myth. Besides, when it gets too hot, the polar ice caps will met decreasing the amount salt in our oceans ceasing the gulf stream that runs between America and Europe thus changing Europe's climate inducing a deep freeze and jetting us into a new ice age. Which consequently will cool down our planet and counteract the fluctuating climate.

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