Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
you're such a fucking hippy.
You don't say
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Originally posted by Znack
So you have no right to be immature?
It depends by what you mean by this.
Politically, it may not really be a right. I believe I don't have the right to insult any religion here in Brazil, and I may be persecuted for that. Even if it was constitutionally acceptable, however, we need to think for a while about the other rights. Social rights, for example: If you're a waiter in a restaurant and a fat patron orders bacon and cheese, you don't have the right to bring corn soup instead because you think it's healthier - it just isn't your business. Even if the constitution said nothing about it, it just wouldn't be right. Likewise, just because you see someone on the street whose face you don't like, you don't have the social right to tell them you don't like them, though it's definitely legal in the constitutional sense.
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Originally posted by Znack
He's surely has the right, dosen't he?
The political right, maybe, but socially it's just a recipe for disaster because it goes against a social right: if you insult the ideas people hold dearly, no matter how irrational it is to cherish something immaterial like a system of ideas, you're giving the finger to millions who otherwise wouldn't have a problem with your existence.
And this is coming from an atheist who's had problems with a few members of the Christian fanclub - just because of some dimwits, it doesn't mean I should insult everyone else.
Posted by VAR on Jul-17-2011 01:31:
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Originally posted by Desiderata
earge
Posted by srussell0018 on Jul-17-2011 01:43:
lol
Posted by djshan on Jul-17-2011 06:55:
I just remembered. I am against religious freedom. Religion should be illegal. Some of these "moderate" religious dudes make me laugh sometime. They behave like athiests/agnostics but still label themselves as "moderate" religious. There is no such thing as a "moderate"... you are either religious that follows 100% textbook as written (without any editing), or your an agnostic/athiest.
In a world of religious freedom, you can expect to see "sharia courts", child circumcision, stoning people for being gay/lesbian or having sex without "doing a jog around the preist", pedophiles converting to islam so they can marry a 6 yr old... and many more bad bad things!!
Im not saying athiest dont do bad things, but the good religious people can be driven by religion to do bad things!!! the athiests do bad things becuase its just who they are....
Posted by Alex on Jul-17-2011 07:54:
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Originally posted by djshan
I just remembered. I am against religious freedom. Religion should be illegal.
Good for you. Please move to China.Posted by Joss Weatherby on Jul-17-2011 08:15:
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Originally posted by Alex
Good for you. Please move to China.
Don't worry, when China takes over the US, Canada wont be too far behind. Posted by Alex on Jul-17-2011 08:16:
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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby
Don't worry, when China takes over the US, Canada wont be too far behind.
True Posted by Desiderata on Jul-17-2011 10:09:
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Originally posted by djshan
I just remembered. I am against religious freedom. Religion should be illegal. Some of these "moderate" religious dudes make me laugh sometime. They behave like athiests/agnostics but still label themselves as "moderate" religious. There is no such thing as a "moderate"... you are either religious that follows 100% textbook as written (without any editing), or your an agnostic/athiest.
In a world of religious freedom, you can expect to see "sharia courts", child circumcision, stoning people for being gay/lesbian or having sex without "doing a jog around the preist", pedophiles converting to islam so they can marry a 6 yr old... and many more bad bad things!!
Im not saying athiest dont do bad things, but the good religious people can be driven by religion to do bad things!!! the athiests do bad things becuase its just who they are....
I only read the first paragraph and I have to disagree with you.
Many, many people believe in God and don't take it literal. People(as I said before are modifying their take on the Bible in these modern times).
What you are basicly saying is that if you believe Bananas are the correct fruit because of what ever reason and another person feels the same about apples as you feel about Bananas that the person that says Apples are the correct fruit to eat will never be able to try a Banana because you feel he is a hypocrite.
I think you need to think and create your own thesis and anti-thesis on Religion.
I'm not trying to say put yourself in a state of limbo over this subject at all, I am an Atheist also but as people evolve in the mind, things are no longer black and white anymore. This said group you are reffering to doesn't have to take the Bible word for word just because some groups say so.
Do they have doubts on their Religion... possible so. But some still believe in God just in their own way. I find these people far more tolerant towards us than someone you believes every single world of it.
Religion(a small group) are readimg what they see fit and disregarding the rest. I feel this is a positive thing.
Posted by Znack on Jul-17-2011 11:03:
Re: Re: Re: Re: Insulting Religion
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Originally posted by Lira
It depends by what you mean by this.
Why? I can not see a situation where it wouldn't be a right - regardless of whether you're talking politically or socially. Acting immature is of course your own responsibly, and people have a right not bothering to deal with you, but if it wasn't a right, should we then ban kids?
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I believe I don't have the right to insult any religion here in Brazil
In that case, Brazil has a theocratic law, which is nothing more than one of the most frightening tings i can think of.
Absolutely nothing to present as a positive example.
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IEven if it was constitutionally acceptable, however, we need to think for a while about the other rights
There shouldn't exist a right not to be offended, because it in itself will always be hypocritical and deliver to certain closed groups, simply because there is no correct answer to when you can allow yourself to be offended.
For example. I could be offended by pants, and from now on you would forever have to go without pants as to not risking offending me. - Drop your pants! No? Is it because you don't believe that i am insulted? How can you evaluate that?
If you're a waiter in a restaurant and a fat patron orders bacon and cheese, you don't have the right to bring corn soup instead because you think it's healthier
That is in no way comparable to insult, and I can not imagine that you think so.
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just because you see someone on the street whose face you don't like, you don't have the social right to tell them you don't like them
Of course you have.
Posted by VAR on Jul-17-2011 13:07:
i find that some quotes of hal from the movie 2001 apply nicely to religion;
Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over.
It can only be attributable to human error.
I am putting myself to the fullest possible use, which is all I think that any conscious entity can ever hope to do.
Posted by Desiderata on Jul-17-2011 13:09:
Sure dude!
Posted by djshan on Jul-17-2011 20:09:
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Originally posted by Desiderata
Do they have doubts on their Religion... possible so. But some still believe in God just in their own way. I find these people far more tolerant towards us than someone you believes every single world of it.
Religion(a small group) are readimg what they see fit and disregarding the rest. I feel this is a positive thing.
If they can pick and chose the verses they like and disregard the ones they dont like, then why should they even bother with the texts? Why not just get rid of the entire thing and think for themselves? Do they really need a book to tell them what is fit and what is not? What would it be like if the book was never there? I find it pathetic that someone needs help from a holy text in order to live as a good human being.
Posted by Desiderata on Jul-17-2011 23:05:
Look, I'm an Atheist but I'm putting myself in the perception of the new modified views of the new breed of Religious people.
There isn't many of them but it is interesting they feel this way.
And I feel they should be respected for not taking the Bibles bull crap so literal.
This is the new breed of Religious people,although there isn't too many.
But, they don't judge us Atheist as harshly and that is something we should actually appreciate, if you stop an think about it.
Posted by EddieZilker on Jul-17-2011 23:20:
People have been cherry-picking the Bible for a long time, adhering to the Holy Scripture they deem convenient and snubbing their nose at that which they felt to be arcane if not out-dated, and let me tell you something. Each and everyone of those people are burning in hell.
To deny them is to deny God and that is the ultimate sin!
Posted by djshan on Jul-18-2011 00:16:
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Originally posted by EddieZilker
People have been cherry-picking the Bible for a long time, adhering to the Holy Scripture they deem convenient and snubbing their nose at that which they felt to be arcane if not out-dated, and let me tell you something. Each and everyone of those people are burning in hell.
To deny them is to deny God and that is the ultimate sin!
Its about time someone said something true! Posted by Moongoose on Jul-18-2011 00:18:
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Originally posted by Desiderata
And I feel they should be respected for not taking the Bibles bull crap so literal.
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They deserve less respect if anything. At last the crazy people that actually believe and follow everything in there are properly commited to what they believe is gods word. In a way that sort of a detachment from reality deserves a certain kind of respect...then death by fire.
People who pick and choose though...no respect. No commitment. THey take a supposed word of god, rip out what they think the omnipotent omniscient higher being got WRONG, and say, now this make sense, that other shit was clearly crazy but this makes sense, ill blindly believe in this. Yeah, not worthy of respect.
Posted by VAR on Jul-18-2011 01:01:
i equate peoples beliefs about God and religion to a bunch of fish that are trying to describe what is outside the aquarium
Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Jul-18-2011 04:25:
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Originally posted by VAR
i equate peoples beliefs about God and religion to a bunch of fish that are trying to describe what is outside the aquarium
Yeah sure, if the fish built the aquarium.
Posted by VAR on Jul-18-2011 04:41:
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
Yeah sure, if the fish built the aquarium.
that just don't make no sense! Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Jul-18-2011 04:47:
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Originally posted by VAR
that just don't make no sense!
People created god/religion Posted by VAR on Jul-18-2011 04:52:
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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN
People created god/religion
this is true,
but i wouldn't draw a parallel between the aquarium and God/religion
Posted by pkcRAISTLIN on Jul-18-2011 04:58:
Hey, you started this dog and pony show!
Posted by VAR on Jul-18-2011 05:01:
ok, let me explain;
the fish cannot see out of the aquarium yet they try to theorize, speculate and debate as to what is outside the aquarium and who/what created the aquarium (another fish perhaps? must be a big and powerful fish)and what influence the creator of the aquarium has on their lives.
Posted by Mattsanity. on Jul-18-2011 16:27:
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Originally posted by Desiderata
Ummm, I CLEARLY stated that I was an Atheist!
you see, the bible had absolutely nothing to do with christians becoming atheists. other christians are the reason. if all the ex-christians had loving and compassionate parents who weren't forceful about believing in God, they would still be christians. can't forget the gullible sunday school teacher who doesn't truly teach the essence of Jesus. The bible is impeccable in my opinion, so it had nothing to do with ex-christians who are now atheists.
Posted by Mattsanity. on Jul-18-2011 16:32:
^ah my assessment on atheists might be wrong. here's a clip of one of the greatest ministers today:
