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Originally posted by Lira From Amazon.co.uk Finally, a Yankee sport caught up in England

Couldn't the land of fish and chips, just use cricket bats or that isn't mobile enough?

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Originally posted by jester Couldn't the land of fish and chips, just use cricket bats or that isn't mobile enough?

It looks too much like an oar to be aerodynamic. And it just got better: shovels are now on the top spot

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Originally posted by Lira It looks too much like an oar to be aerodynamic. And it just got better: shovels are now on the top spot

Sweet mass graves to come

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Originally posted by Lira From Amazon.co.uk Finally, a Yankee sport caught up in England

they have upgraded their purchases. top seller in sports now:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gelert-Fold...g_bsms_sports_1



#3 on the list?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Cimac-Telescopic-Chrim-Nunchaku-Colour/dp/B003JQVTQQ/ref=zg_bsms_sports_3

I shouldn't laugh but


These riots really are terrible. :/

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Originally posted by Banora I shouldn't laugh but These riots really are terrible. :/

The real sad thing is that one wasn't shopped

I leave the country for a couple of days and look what happens!

I'm back in London now and have managed to catch up with everything and I'm absolutely sickened by this atrocious behaviour.

As I flew into Heathrow last night I could see a couple of large fires over London and I was expecting some trouble around the hotel where I was staying, but thankfully, London had a relatively quite night.

Manchester on the other hand has had a rough one and some friends of mine who live centrally are quite concerned. I'm flying into Manchester later tonight and I plan on spending the night with them.

Hopefully they will increase the police presence in Manchester, Liverpool and Birmingham today, as a deterrent to all this bullshit.

so did anyone grab a Playbook for me?

Just announced the use of Water Cannon. Shame they're not gonna replace the water with sulphuric acid.

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Originally posted by Acton Manchester on the other hand has had a rough one...

Just like any other day in Salford


Only in Liverpool...

The best part is, everything is going to become more like 1984 now for those idiots.

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay The best part is, everything is going to become more like 1984 now for those idiots.

Honestly, when are people going to learn that you can only change an institution from within? That said, I doubt that these riots really have anything to do with any form of protest against a thing or defineable goal other then destruction and theft for the sake of destruction and theft.

I have the satisfaction of knowing that those troglodytes will have less rights in the future. It is sad that the civilized, well doing people of England will lose some personal freedoms as well, but this is what happens when you let a country be overrun by uneducated cretins with no life prospects or goals. The government has failed the people i'm sure in this respect, but as you said, this riot is about opportunists and very little about an actual political statement.

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard Honestly, when are people going to learn that you can only change an institution from within? That said, I doubt that these riots really have anything to do with any form of protest against a thing or defineable goal other then destruction and theft for the sake of destruction and theft.

If I were to guess, it's got more to do with the human tendency to "even things out" when we feel we are given the shaft than with any sort of proper rebellion so to speak.

As for changing the institutions from within, I'm not sure that's the only way (though it's the only form I'd ever fully endorse). It's probably the safest, smartest, most effective way we've ever found, but history offers plenty of counterexamples where violence did make some change come about.

Edit: And, apparently, I'm right. Aren't we predictable?

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay The best part is, everything is going to become more like 1984 now for those idiots.

Do you think any of these rioters have read Orwell?

I don't think Jay has read 1984. In the novel only the middle classes and heavily observed and controlled. The proletariat are largely left to their own devices. I don't think it's the middle classes who are smashing up Manchester city centre.

Your status fits this thread perfectly, Syst

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Originally posted by dj_alfi Do you think any of these rioters have read Orwell?

Fixed

Yeah, you're right. They are definately the upper middle class.

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Originally posted by Lira Fixed

lol

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I don't think Jay has read 1984. In the novel only the middle classes and heavily observed and controlled. The proletariat are largely left to their own devices. I don't think it's the middle classes who are smashing up Manchester city centre.

It is required reading at least here in high school. I meant it in a a very broad sense. "Big Brother is watching" is a very common portrayal of England here in terms of the way it can be portrayed in our media. We hear so much about the CCTV cameras everywhere. You don't think nothing will change to make the population more "watched"?

It is an honest question. You live there, I don't.

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Originally posted by Lira As for changing the institutions from within, I'm not sure that's the only way (though it's the only form I'd ever fully endorse). It's probably the safest, smartest, most effective way we've ever found, but history offers plenty of counterexamples where violence did make some change come about.

I'm not sure I agree with you, Lira. Certainly, there are historical examples where violence has destroyed something allowing something else to be established in it's place; however, that's not changing an institution but replacing it. Of course, there are also plenty of historical examples where violence preceeded changes but the change itself was initiated internally with violence usually being a result of the resistance to change and then exacerbating the change that was already taking hold. Violence itself doesn't cause change... someone with influence and power must usher in the reform.

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay It is required reading at least here in high school. I meant it in a a very broad sense. "Big Brother is watching" is a very common portrayal of England here in terms of the way it can be portrayed in our media. We hear so much about the CCTV cameras everywhere. You don't think nothing will change to make the population more "watched"? It is an honest question. You live there, I don't.

I really don't care. Do you think my life is any different with the cameras than it would be otherwise? CCTV only monitors public places, and I don't break the law or conduct private matters in public.

oh man that, sounds like disguised crimethink.

I can't imagine living that way, but then again I haven't been desensitized in regards to it.

Can't wait to see some chavs getting hit with plastic bullets.

Sadly one of the top officers said they won't be using them even though they are now authorized to

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Originally posted by Moral Hazard I'm not sure I agree with you, Lira. Certainly, there are historical examples where violence has destroyed something allowing something else to be established in it's place; however, that's not changing an institution but replacing it. Of course, there are also plenty of historical examples where violence preceeded changes but the change itself was initiated internally with violence usually being a result of the resistance to change and then exacerbating the change that was already taking hold. Violence itself doesn't cause change... someone with influence and power must usher in the reform.

What you are describing is a (violent) political/socio-economic revolution.

I don't think a bunch of criminals running around looting falls in under that category.

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Originally posted by Zyklon_Jay oh man that, sounds like disguised crimethink. I can't imagine living that way, but then again I haven't been desensitized in regards to it.

What the fuck are you talking about? Please tell me how it would affect your life, Jay, because I can't figure it out. I do not think about the cameras, ever. The thing about public places is, they're public. You're always being watched, and so you don't do private things there. And if you do, you have absolutely no right to complain if you get caught. Trust me, your life of cat fondling, mid-market eateries and slightly kinky anal sex would be no different if your country had as much CCTV as mine.

The profusion of CCTV is massively exaggerated anyway. That stat that you get caught on camera 500 times a day is only true if you work in London city centre. So yeah, if you commute through one of the largest cities in the world, you'll get caught on camera a lot. OPPRESSIVE. In most suburbs or villages there are no cameras at all. And the idea that it's centralised, that the government has control of all these cameras and that all their footage is recorded and saved is nonsense. Read Michel Foucault's essay on the Panopticon system of social control. CCTV is an urban myth, a 21st Century God that can hear our sinful thoughts and stops us ever acting out of line in the first place. Do you think most of these rioters will actually be caught and convicted?

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