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Originally posted by Rodri Santos extratone

As usual your posts are absolute dwabble.

how original lady

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Originally posted by Taipan quote: Originally posted by Mr Game+Watch Is that whole Marcy rooftop party/Culprit LA/Wolf+Lamb sound still big? That stuff wasn't bad... That's whats hot right now. DnB is the NEXT wave of hip. Fads can't stay cool forever.

Yea like i said that slow boring marathon disco house seems to be the hippest genre still, but i swear its dying. "look at me i'm a girl wearing a fake mustache! its funny because its ironic! this will never get old!"

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Originally posted by stev� system-j, thanks for the heads up on dnb. could've done without the speculative bickering though. id like to see girls dancing to 2011 dnb, wheres the youtube of that? At future sound of breaks and world of dnb in miami a couple years ago all i saw was 90's militant vibe still, with dudes wearing camouflage hoodies and candy raver girls. so its changed drastically in a few short years?

There are still militant junglists, of course, but my whole point is that drum 'n bass has such huge variety to it. If you go to a neurofunk night you're going to get camo gear and aggressive male vibes, but there's so much more to it than that. There are a couple of regular drum 'n bass nights in my city that attract around a thousand people, a lot of them students.

I've no idea where the Youtubes are of girls dancing. I'm basing my conclusion on meeting a lot of girls who like drum 'n bass. I'm going to see LTJ Bukem next week with a girl I work with.

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Originally posted by Taipan One way to describe "cool" is the exact opposite of mainstream. Not to say I don't agree with you, but you're hurting your own case.

No I'm not. My whole point is that drum 'n bass is "cool" in every possible sense. It's cool in the 18 year old kid sense, and it's also cool in the genuine underground sense. Everyone went fucking nuts when they heard ASC's podcast for RA last year.

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Originally posted by stev� Yea like i said that slow boring marathon disco house seems to be the hippest genre still, but i swear its dying. "look at me i'm a girl wearing a fake mustache! its funny because its ironic! this will never get old!"

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J No I'm not. My whole point is that drum 'n bass is "cool" in every possible sense. It's cool in the 18 year old kid sense, and it's also cool in the genuine underground sense. Everyone went fucking nuts when they heard ASC's podcast for RA last year.

"Cool" is reserved for the minority.

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Originally posted by Taipan "Cool" is reserved for the minority.

"Cool" is an arbitrary and intangible concept that can mean almost anything depending on context.

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Originally posted by A.B Such a pity because Scotland once had it's own huge rave scene that was miles ahead of anything else in the UK at the time.

Time to bust the beat for this jam and drop that beat again, THAT was cool

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J "Cool" is an arbitrary and intangible concept that can mean almost anything depending on context.

You can say that about anything.

Trance.

The gawkiest of the gawky and the uncoolest of the uncool, yet people are still doing it. Sounds like a good definition of "legit" to me.

and I'm

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Originally posted by Vector A Trance. The gawkiest of the gawky and the uncoolest of the uncool, yet people are still doing it. Sounds like a good definition of "legit" to me.

Can I ask what you prefer over trance? I've been listening to only trance for the last decade but I'm getting curious about other genres.

re: drum and bass

it will never be big as 'drum and bass' outside the UK. outside the UK where there is not a real history of junglist culture, drum and bass is far too niche. Certain hybrid acts might have some success, but not playing pure drum and bass. I can see a few breakout acts, but most will adopt the slower, rocker and kid friendly dubstep/brostep formula and not the liquid or neurofunk formulae.

like you can say 'pendulum' might get big in the USA and the countries that still follow the USA (ie the most visible and accessible bands), but not 'drum and bass'. reggae was the same way, along with countless other genres. I think it's doomed to be a UK thing.

also, for curiosity's sake:

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Originally posted by nefardec also, for curiosity's sake:

I would like to know the reference you got those pics from.

legit as in legitimate? then dubstep for sure. cant tell you how many children ive seen that have picked this stuff up (the shitty stuff).

legit as in excellent? then it gotta be ... mmmmmmmmm dunno. the ratio of sick to shitastic is about equal in everything i explore (ambient/idm/techno/everything in between).

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Originally posted by dj christian I would like to know the reference you got those pics from.

It's google trends.

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Originally posted by Taipan You can say that about anything.

Yeah, if you want to get all postmodernist deconstructive on this thread, but "coolness" is an especially arbitrary and subjective concept. As you said yourself, one definition of coolness involves exclusivity, and my whole point is that drum 'n bass can cover just about any definition of cool you want.

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Originally posted by dj christian I would like to know the reference you got those pics from.

it says right on the pictures

http://www.google.com/trends?q=dubs...2Cjustin+bieber

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J and my whole point is that drum 'n bass can cover just about any definition of cool you want.

Subjective logic.

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Originally posted by A.B Subjective logic.

Exactly.

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Originally posted by nefardec re: drum and bass it will never be big as 'drum and bass' outside the UK. outside the UK where there is not a real history of junglist culture, drum and bass is far too niche. Certain hybrid acts might have some success, but not playing pure drum and bass. I can see a few breakout acts, but most will adopt the slower, rocker and kid friendly dubstep/brostep formula and not the liquid or neurofunk formulae. like you can say 'pendulum' might get big in the USA and the countries that still follow the USA (ie the most visible and accessible bands), but not 'drum and bass'. reggae was the same way, along with countless other genres. I think it's doomed to be a UK thing. also, for curiosity's sake:

Well, the UK still has a huge cultural influence, bested only by the US. But sice it's been years since the states' EDM output has been anywhere near prolific, the (western) world has followed the UK in EDM trends for decades now. D&B got a big boost when pendulum hit (or swayed above) ground here as well, attracting the huge indie/alternative crowd who are basically (and sometimes regrettably) the benchmark for coolness.

Regardless, it's losing major ground on dubstep. So i'd definitely pick that one for this threads' election. Regardless of what the majority here thinks - since when has aggressive-visceral-bordering-on-non-music music ever been popular here? - It has seen momentum, daring creativity (attributed to electroclash influences) and has left other genres that are rusted shut to their established etiquettes far behind. That makes it cool, at least for now.

As far as absolute legitimacy's concerned. I don't think any genre fit's the bill.

I'm not even sure what I mean by legit. It was just the first word that popped in my head to describe the genre that is not necessarily the most popular (black eyed peas does not equal legit), but the alternative/"underground" EDM scene that garners the most respect as an artform AND has a substantial enough following to put more than just a handful of producer/enthusiasts and their girlfriends they dragged to a showcase event at a divebar.

The word "art", to me is more than a noun, its a compliment. Right now it seems all the genres have fallen into a lull of stupidity, so the lesser of the evils seems to be the marcy/hot natured/soul clap/art department etc scene. Despite it being a slow boring marathon of retards, it's still in better taste (imo) than the indie electro scene (does that scene even still exist? you know, the non prescript glasses, pbr, and steve aoki?), brostep, or whatever else. Its the least tacky, and closest to genuine artistic expression (again, imo). IOW ... legit.

Steve Aoki now plays a lot of brostep and some dutch house, at least if his Sirius XM show is anything to go by...

I don't know if it's a "genre" per-se, but there's a number of "revivalist" tracks coming out nowadays that owe a ton to late 80's - early 90's house. Azari and III, Tony Lionni "Found A Place", and some tracks by Tensnake being the most prominent. I guess when you are finishing mining the 70's (disco house) and 80's (italodisco), the next thing house producers do is mine the early 90's...

But so far, the scenes with "cred" (I kinda get what you are talking about here) seem to be continuations of what was popular in 2009-10... at least if RA is anything to go by. We still have people loving the soulful deep house, berghain techno, future garage/postdub, and the Marcy/W+L/Crosstown Rebels/Troxler/Culprit stuff.

i love that, thanks. yes, cred is what i mean as well.

more hipster-house

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Originally posted by nefardec more hipster-house

I guess the FX were supposed to take your attention away from how much the music sucks.Only thing missing , The Jesus pose both at the same time...

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