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Originally posted by Dj O'Callaghan I was just using it as an example as how the rest the world thinks, how the US Government reacts to certain situations.

phew...i thought u whre going crazy...LoL

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Originally posted by Dj O'Callaghan That was a long time ago anyway pal, do you fucking think American were the only country in that war fighting the Germans and Japanese? don't tell me at school they probably told you European where just fucking common paupers who worked in factories and didn't fight in the war, as their armies had been battered. Well your country didn't get constantly bombed for fucking years by air, you don't live on a small Island and your ships carrying supplies didn't get torpedoed every day, remember the size of the British Isles and size of areas of europe the Germans had conquered and think how many fronts we were getting it from, and do u think Germany and Japan would of stopped ivading if they had invaded the British Isles? Reason why it pisses me off is my grandfather fought in World War 2 my Great grandfather in World War 1 they both survived they both fought hard my grandfather earned the highest British medal there is in WW2, they killed ppl they crawled though fucking mud, saw their friends die just like any other soldier who fought in that war did, how you said it mate seemed as you single handedly won world war 2.

Truth of the matter is that if America had not stepped in Europe would of been under Hitler's rule...you know it and i know it....tahst an entirely different debate...and if you would like we can debate it....

Ok tiest14. I'm very tired now and I didn't want to discuss anything. But only because OF YOU I'll take the extra time (my gf is waiting...)to disscuss one of the main *fact* of my first post.


America's budget for military is about 260 Billions a year.

Here are my questions for you:

Question 1) Where does the money representing soldiers salaries goes? Where do they spent it? When they do, who in general do benefice from it?

Question 2) When the US army buys equipment and ammos, which companies (and of course employees who work for them) do benefice of it? These workers get salaries... where is that salary spent?

I think you should understand the logic behind this, monies don't just vanish in thin air. You can't just say wars costs alot, yes they do if you just think about it as a figure. That money ends up being spent at your dads grocery (let say) and your uncle's barbershop and at a new car (GM workers get more work) and buying that new furniture and that new house, etc etc...

That's how economy work! When the private sector alone can't get the economy moving (as it is now). The Gov intervenes to spend money to get things going again. It could be major infrastructure construction, monies given to big companies to help them (aviation companies for example), .... and yes wars!

Don't tell me this is conspiracy! This is plain economics. It is known that after every major war, the economy of the US has greatly expanded. Look at the period after WW1 and WW2 (golden era for US economy) and if you're too young or uneducated about this look at the years following the gulf war. From 1991 to 2001 the US economy was more than booming, the best decade in US history. And how was the economy before 1990-1991? Remembers the slow 80s?

Just think about this for a moment.

If I write things that I don't back up with an explanation or facts (on the spot) it is due to me not wanting to write a novell on TA. Also knowing that most of people won't even bother reading it. This doesn't make them in any ways a conspiracy theories or whatever. If you think that this little economy lesson is a conspiracy then ... I really don't know what to say. I'm sorry for you.

again... the same issue that the blodthirsty, flag waving, gun toting, bomb-everything americans don't realize is: a war on terrorism is not a war on IRAQ....

why are we arguing the same thing AGAIN? didn't anyone read the thread about afghanistan?? iraq is not a terrorist country. its not a country run and populated by terrorists. there may be terrorists in the country, yes, and yes, maybe saddam does finance and supply weapons to terrorists, but you can't bomb an entire country to eradicate a small portion of the population, that's just ludicrous!

i'll bet there are terrorists hiding out in america, so why don't we bomb america? cause most of the casualties would be civilians.

who does america think they are that they have the right to choose the leader of another country? a lot of countries don't like george bush, should we then try to bully him out of power? america's "war" on iraq hurts only the innocent... look at all the starving people in iraq. they hate america even more now, and see saddam as a saviour.

i think we should bomb the bastards for what they did bush and blair should sort them out instead of doing nothing

wurd to mr. poopyhead.

Imagine, you burn down a house only to kill cockroaches.

Let's attack!

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Originally posted by ahlamalek Question 1) Where does the money representing soldiers salaries goes? Where do they spent it? When they do, who in general do benefice from it?.

what do you think soldiers get 100K a year?.....they get payed shit...and there are not enough soldiers to base the US economy on...it's the regula tax payers...not the hand full of soldiers.

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Originally posted by ahlamalek Question 2) When the US army buys equipment and ammos, which companies (and of course employees who work for them) do benefice of it? These workers get salaries... where is that salary spent??.

again a small percentage of people...


well u made some good points...and i could debate them..if you would like?.....but it would take some research...which i dont mind if YOUR willing to debate it..

but what your saying is coming down to this

that you belive we are going to war with Iraq plainley to boost are economy...correct?

well thats not true...and we can sure debate economics during war times...but i have gotton into debates with people over this before and they ALWAYS end up backing out...so lemme know if your willing to debate HARDCORE

hardcore baby

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Originally posted by mr. poopyhead again... the same issue that the blodthirsty, flag waving, gun toting, bomb-everything americans don't realize is: a war on terrorism is not a war on IRAQ....

it sure is when Hussein has been tied to Osama Bin laden and the Taliban aswell as several other terrorist groups accrose the board.

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Originally posted by mr. poopyhead i'll bet there are terrorists hiding out in america, so why don't we bomb america? cause most of the casualties would be civilians.....

noone wants to bomb Iraq at random..its called a war..we would eb attacking Hussein and his army...and beleive if Hussein had the capabilities to attack America..he would.

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Originally posted by mr. poopyhead who does america think they are that they have the right to choose the leader of another country? a lot of countries don't like george bush, should we then try to bully him out of power? america's "war" on iraq hurts only the innocent... look at all the starving people in iraq. they hate america even more now, and see saddam as a saviour.

because Hussein in NOT a leader...he is a butcher of his own people...and why is that you dont beleive that the people of Iraq arent able to govern themselves through a democratic government?...do you feel they should be under the dictatoship of a lunatic?.....

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Originally posted by ahlamalek hardcore baby

uuuggghhhh...i gotta make a book report..LOL....ok..jus dont back out.....

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Originally posted by Narcotic Mind if the US didn't support us the we might be dead by now, since the entire europe hates us or doesn't give a damn about us, other countries across the world are just unpluged, and the arabs are like 100 times bigger than us and probably wouldn't hasitate about attacking... besides that, if the US didn't take apart of this situation, not that i agree with it's ways, but if it didn't, then nobody would stop iraq back in gulf war to develop mass destruction weapons, and nobody would fund any anti terrorist organizations and so on...

Thank You.

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Originally posted by mr. poopyhead again... the same issue that the blodthirsty, flag waving, gun toting, bomb-everything americans don't realize is: a war on terrorism is not a war on IRAQ....

Thank you for that stereotype. Just so we all know you are on the anti-America bandwagon. Thanks again.

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Thank you for that stereotype. Just so we all know you are on the anti-America bandwagon. Thanks again.

word.

i think his opinion is quite clear now.

I know its not a 100K, of course. But its salaries, its money, it gets things moving. 260 billion IS HUGE! and that doesn't account all the secret services budgets, etc. I never said that solely soldiers salaries will get things moving. But it helps alot, when people spend,the economy gets better. Its like when you let a little snowball go down the hill, it gets slowly bigger and bigger...

I'll give you an example. In my province, Quebec, the government decided to spend tax payers money to build bridges, roads, etc etc right after the slowdown made by sept 11. It was planned to get things going again. The amount was close to 1.5 billion $ which amount roughly to about 1% of Quebec's economy. Of course construction workers don't make 100K, they do alot less actually, maybe 35-40K. Now the Quebec province is doing alot better than any other province in Canada and better than the US. So imagine a huge increase in military spending by the order of let say 100 billion $ made by the US, this about 1.5~2% of US economy. Can you imagine the benefits? Its really simple economics man...

never heard of that "you gotta spend money to make money"?

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Originally posted by ahlamalek I know its not a 100K, of course. But its salaries, its money, it gets things moving. 260 billion IS HUGE! and that doesn't account all the secret services budgets, etc. I never said that solely soldiers salaries will get things moving. But it helps alot, when people spend,the economy gets better. Its like when you let a little snowball go down the hill, it gets slowly bigger and bigger... I'll give you an example. In my province, Quebec, the government decided to spend tax payers money to build bridges, roads, etc etc right after the slowdown made by sept 11. It was planned to get things going again. The amount was close to 1.5 billion $ which amount roughly to about 1% of Quebec's economy. Of course construction workers don't make 100K, they do alot less actually, maybe 35-40K. Now the Quebec province is doing alot better than any other province in Canada and better than the US. So imagine a huge increase in military spending by the order of let say 100 billion $ made by the US, this about 1.5~2% of US economy. Can you imagine the benefits? Its really simple economics man... never heard of that "you gotta spend money to make money"?

ok now we are getting somewhere,,,that i agree with

but i started doing a little essay on econimics..LOL...then i stopped and was liek this is retarded..LoL...if start argueing about econmics we will get up to 100 pages.....too much to cover..and from too many points of entry.,...so lets keep eco out of this...

but my first post was about economics and the US need of that war and how they're promoting it with some PR. That's it buddy.

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That was a long time ago anyway pal, do you fucking think American were the only country in that war fighting the Germans and Japanese?

heh...i remember there being something about the allies being totally, completely FUCKED in the ass had the US decided not to jump in. so how about you bow down, kiss my feet, scratch my back, and eat a big hearty bowl of SHUT THE FUCK UP soup. a little more to the left...ahhhhhh, right there. ooh, a little to the right now.

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Originally posted by BluNine eat a big hearty bowl of SHUT THE FUCK UP soup.

shut the fuck up soup?...what the hell...hahahhahahhahahahhahhaha



i am STEALING that line from you...lol...that was HILLARIOUS

<--- look at my avatar, that's my exact facial expression now!

wow, you look like shit...you need a shave, and some hair gel

you steal my line and you'll die a slow terrible horrific death

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Originally posted by davinox . Also, I get REALLY FUCKING PISSED when people just bash Bush no matter what he does. Um ok now, he's not the greatest president ever, but he has his pros and cons. to the guy that said "DON'T VOTE REPUBLICAN" that was the biggest fucking joke ever. Clinton is the reason our foriegn policy is fucked up, and now its Bush's job to clean it up. There are two sides to every story.

I bash Bush cos he's a retard...plain and simple....he's got the lowest IQ of any American President ever....some of the shit he comes out with...only comparable to some of the shit Tiesto14 comes out with

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Originally posted by Tiesto14. LOL.....what jobs would a war create?....and if the economy is bad...um wouldnt that be the WRONG time to start a war?...LOL wars cost millions upon millions....you didnt think that one out very well.

U take a look at the economic growth of countries that have succesfully fought major wars in history and you'll see war improves the economy massively. And I think if America were to go to war with Iraq and win they'd make a fair bit of the money for waging war back, on all that oil over there.....but that would never be going through anyones mind over in washington

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Originally posted by Tiesto14. and what exactley would we be investing in....oil?...well thats weird since the majority of out oil does not even come from Iraq....

thats because America has forced unfair sanctions on Iraq trading there oil on the open market....the UN has repeteadly attempted to lift the sanctions with America boycotting the vote...and other following suite soon after (not that it would have mattered, America's approval seems more important than 10 european countries approval nowadays...the kyoto agreement springs to mind...and thats oil related as well I believe )

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Originally posted by Tiesto14. useless?...i wonder where the world would be today if the U.S. didnt exsist....thats right you would be under Hitler's and Japan's rule.

well from various TV programs...and from what my grandad has said (he was stationed in belsen towards the end and immediately after)...the americans didnt have much to do with the european battles as 'hollywood' would have you believe....it was the russians who sacrificed millions....and pushed the germans back...and were the first ones knocking on berlins door....and I'll remember the quote from the Panorama Special (british current affairs program) as long as I live...they were interviewing one of the soldiers who was over there towards the end of the war.."the americans didn't do any real work, they sats on there lazy behinds smoking cigarettes and chatting up the locals"....Priceless

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heh...i remember there being something about the allies being totally, completely FUCKED in the ass had the US decided not to jump in. so how about you bow down, kiss my feet, scratch my back, and eat a big hearty bowl of SHUT THE FUCK UP soup. a little more to the left...ahhhhhh, right there. ooh, a little to the right now.

You talking to me you fucking ****!?!?!

are you the author of the post that i quoted?...yessss
did i respond directly towards the author of that post?...yessss
eat up boy, your soup's getting cold.

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