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as for which country has had the most important impact, I think this statement is too vague to properly answer.

I'd say as a whole, artists from the UK have been the most innovative.

i can say that the Dutch are the most loving and fun of the bunch.

and one cannot forget the dutch talent of peter slaghuis. he was compiling music in the early 80s. He didn't come out with a sample music hit until 1989 with jack to the sound.

Here are some of the tracklists to his compilations:

http://www.discopatrick.com/home/2-...o%20breaks.html

like patrick cowley and thorsten fenslau, his early death was tragedy to the scene, as he had much more to offer.

I personally think the Netherlands the most and not because I live there.
We were, commercially and in the underground scene, the first ones actually presenting trance music to the world.

In 2000, a.k.a the golden age of trance music, the biggest DJs and producers were most of the time Dutch, e.a. Rank 1, Randy Katana (Katana), Signum, Tiësto (of course), Ferry Corsten etc.

However, Germany, Belgium and the UK were also had a lot of impact on the trance scene and today the day they still do.
It's your opinion actually where you think the best producers and DJs come from, because it's also a matter of taste.

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Originally posted by Skyler_Music I personally think the Netherlands the most and not because I live there. We were, commercially and in the underground scene, the first ones actually presenting trance music to the world. In 2000, a.k.a the golden age of trance music, the biggest DJs and producers were most of the time Dutch, e.a. Rank 1, Randy Katana (Katana), Signum, Tiësto (of course), Ferry Corsten etc. However, Germany, Belgium and the UK were also had a lot of impact on the trance scene and today the day they still do. It's your opinion actually where you think the best producers and DJs come from, because it's also a matter of taste.

Actually the only credits you dutch people can claim is for making trance shit.

In before the lock.

This thread is really starting to wind me up.

Okay. A Few things about The Netherlands:

In the early days you could indeed say it had some impact because the global scene was still quite small.
The first house club opened in '87 (RoXY, Amsterdam). And a few memorable house records were made: This is recognized as one of the if
not the first dutch house record:



Made by one of the founders of the club.
Another few memorable ones:

Great breaks tune from '91:



'92 classic ad possibly one of the first to hit the top of the regular music charts, even hit the UK charts i believe:



Still. We must not forget that the British imported the stuff a lot earlier and by the time were already far more prolific in their output. And Germany started growing a massive scene after the wall fell in '89.

The thing is, Holland is a small country, with less then 15 million inhabitants at the time. New York alone had over half of that. To top that the USA and UK had a far more developed musical culture. Also, the house scene started splitting up around the early nineties into mellow and hardcore, with the latter one to become the biggest.
Harddance became a rather closed scene and i don't think it influenced the majority of EDM that much. They kind off went and did their own thing.

Festivals didn't start showing up until the end of the nineties, and to be honest, they don't amount to that much. Even the biggest mainstream ones struggle to get over 50.000 Visitors. Love parade, as for a comparison, regularly flocks up over a million.

About Trance. Trance is a small scene, both in the Netherlands and worldwide. It's following is fanatic, they post on internet forums and vote on DJ polls, which make them seem a lot larger a group then they actually are. Plus: It's origins lay in Germany.
Tijs and Armin eventually became or biggest musical exports in terms of sales. But that really doesn't say much. As i mentioned before, the dutch never found much international success when it comes to music.
One of the biggest ones before them was George Baker for instance



Nothing to be proud of i'd say.

best vid on yt

must thnk jean for his contribution.

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Originally posted by RebeL9 Actually the only credits you dutch people can claim is for making trance shit.

I wouldn't say that too fast. A lot of underground trance producers are very skilled. Don't blame us only for the commercial trance music because these are most of the time garbage.
And if you think the artists here produce "shit", that's fine. It's your opinion.

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Originally posted by rem11 best vid on yt must thnk jean for his contribution.

Which brings me to the next part of the Dutch musical legacy. Which is were things really started to turn to shit:

The klubbheads..

Koen Groeneveld and Addy van der Zwan. They singlehandedly shaped what house was to become here throughout the nineties. When you look at some of their breakthrough work you can already hear a lot of elements you still hear in today's dirty house output:



They were responsible for hundreds of releases under 35 different aliases, all successfull. You can take a look at this list here. It's really quite impressive. They also co produced DJ jean's work. As well as Paul Elstak's, for those who are wondering about happy hardcore.

Basically. The entire Mainstream dance scene was run by a few people with dozens of labels and aliases. Gabber was no different, run by a few producing tycoons who made tons of money with tracks they spent about half an hour on. Later in the nineties when eurodance started to die off the trance guys took over with similar marketing strategies, but could never push it as far as the klubbheads did. So they started exploring internet marketing which gave them the international recognition they have today.


Obviously this isn't the whole story, there was also lots of credible music being made (mainly techno by the likes of Jeroen Verheij, Dylan Hermelijn, Orlando Voorn and so on). But in terms of competition with the UK and Germany there really isn't much to talk about.

Tiesto, Armin and Ferry obviously cloud people's view..., but I think Rebel9 knows there is more then just trance coming from Holland.
But people who don't know e.g. following lines probably miss a lot to have a decent overview:

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I'm Bigger, and Bolder, and Rougher and Tougher, in other words Sucker, there is no other

Also e.g. Gaston Steenkist (DJ Dobre) en Ren� ter Horst (DJ Zki)as The Goodmen, Olav Basoski, Erick E, Michel De Heij, Ronald Molendijk.

Still, only once Belgium has been mentioned after I did. Do people forget that easy, what a shame for e.g. Mike and all what Bonzai brought us?
Probably just few remember The Sound Of C, but that's long ago of course.

leave it to a bunch of trance crackers to start saying how much impact it had on everything when it came a lot later.

everyone knows svenson & gielen were awesome sound

I think Germany am i right???

Yea, the ID&T days will be missed where we sat on our pc's watching the stream of trance energy while id'ing on forums.

Japan. Not Detroit, not Chicago, not Germany, not UK, not Netherlands, not even Jamaica, but Japan.

Lots of the machines that made the EDM scene are from Japan. Also, it wouldn't be surprising if it turned ou that many western EDM artists were inspired by video games, manga/anime and the japanese attitude to science and technology.

Now if you were to ask me which country in the western world had the least impact on the EDM scene, I'd say Sweden. Sweden has one of the strongest zero-tolerances against drugs in the world and here, EDM basically equals usage of illegal drugs. Thus, the Swedish EDM scene has basically been a rather small, obscure and introvert subculture. And I hate it.

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Originally posted by pointPi Japan. Not Detroit, not Chicago, not Germany, not UK, not Netherlands, not even Jamaica, but Japan. Lots of the machines that made the EDM scene are from Japan. Also, it wouldn't be surprising if it turned ou that many western EDM artists were inspired by video games, manga/anime and the japanese attitude to science and technology. Now if you were to ask me which country in the western world had the least impact on the EDM scene, I'd say Sweden. Sweden has one of the strongest zero-tolerances against drugs in the world and here, EDM basically equals usage of illegal drugs. Thus, the Swedish EDM scene has basically been a rather small, obscure and introvert subculture. And I hate it.

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Originally posted by pointPi Japan. Not Detroit, not Chicago, not Germany, not UK, not Netherlands, not even Jamaica, but Japan. Lots of the machines that made the EDM scene are from Japan.

That's like saying that Zanzibar is the leading country in the cake and tea industry because it's/was the world's biggest clove producer/exporter. Nigga please.



The part about Sweden is so idiotic I don't even need to dispute it.

UK, NL, DE

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Originally posted by Vernon Wanderer That's like saying that Zanzibar is the leading country in the cake and tea industry because it's/was the world's biggest clove producer/exporter. Nigga please. The part about Sweden is so idiotic I don't even need to dispute it.

I missed a golden moment to shut up, didn't I?

Now that I think of it, yes, what I said was a pretty stupid and unnecessary statement.

How about Belgium? No mention of that country in this thread at all.

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Originally posted by -FSP- How about Belgium? No mention of that country in this thread at all.

3 times, twice by me (previous page).

Looking at Bonzai in your signature I assume you weren't kidding.

ok, that was a read fail on my part.

NYC is still the club capital of the USA, although its been in decline for about a decade now.

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