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Originally posted by Lunar Phase 7 So in essence, a compressor is a compressor. When you tweak settings different compressors will sound different, but in the end, you just adjust the parameters differently and you can get almost identical results regardless?

no a software compressor is an algo, do X if setting is Y with a predefined mathematical curve. an analogue compressor drives voltage though electronics or tubes or optical film, the results are quite different. I could recognize take 2 and 3 quite easily as they have that typical ITB wet newspaper sound which i don't like. After that i lost interest and track, which i told Cryo but he can't be asked to deliver 8 snips which can be listened in parallel.

by enumeration, taking out what you know for sure are ITB characteristics I would have got there. Even by not knowing his Drawner.

but hearing 4 or 5 different takes again and again in sequence, sort of resets your short term memory. whether that's relevant for an audience is a different question. In the end something gets to you or not. In Cryo's example i like the uncompressed snip the best.

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Originally posted by cryophonik No, all VSTs have a sound, as Raphie so clearly "proved" above.

I'm sorry, but yes for me that's how it is.

you can still be happy with em, no harm done, just not my cup of tea....

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Originally posted by Raphie no a software compressor is an algo, do X if setting is Y with a predefined mathematical curve. an analogue compressor drives voltage though electronics or tubes or optical film, the results are quite different. I could recognize take 2 and 3 quite easily as they have that typical ITB wet newspaper sound which i don't like. After that i lost interest and track, which i told Cryo but he can't be asked to deliver 8 snips which can be listened in parallel. by enumeration, taking out what you know for sure are ITB characteristics I would have got there. Even by not knowing his Drawner. but hearing 4 or 5 different takes again and again in sequence, sort of resets your short term memory. whether that's relevant for an audience is a different question. In the end something gets to you or not. In Cryo's example i like the uncompressed snip the best.

Right well I'm not interested in hardware tbh, since I'll never own any probably. I recognise the difference between analogue and digital, sure.

I'm just glad that shit like EQ and comp's can be had for free and perform the same feats as people spunking hundreds on each effect.

I only use FLStudio's built in shit and tbh I really like the sounds I get.

Big up free vst.

true, best ITB compressor you can own:

http://vladgsound.wordpress.com/plugins/molot/

Beats the shit out of all alternatives Cryo posted, best ITB I've EVER heard. so do yourself a favor get this one and you'll own the best and you can safely forget about the rest..... (really!!)

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Originally posted by Raphie true, best ITB compressor you can own: http://vladgsound.wordpress.com/plugins/molot/ Beats the shit out of all alternatives Cryo posted, best ITB I've EVER heard. so do yourself a favor get this one and you'll own the best and you can safely forget about the rest..... (really!!)

Yup I've used that. The skin was all Russian when I did though, they got English UI's for it now?

EDIT >>> Just RTFM.


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Originally posted by Raphie no a software compressor is an algo, do X if setting is Y with a predefined mathematical curve. an analogue compressor drives voltage though electronics or tubes or optical film, the results are quite different. I could recognize take 2 and 3 quite easily as they have that typical ITB wet newspaper sound which i don't like. After that i lost interest and track, which i told Cryo but he can't be asked to deliver 8 snips which can be listened in parallel. by enumeration, taking out what you know for sure are ITB characteristics I would have got there. Even by not knowing his Drawner. but hearing 4 or 5 different takes again and again in sequence, sort of resets your short term memory. whether that's relevant for an audience is a different question. In the end something gets to you or not. In Cryo's example i like the uncompressed snip the best.

Wow, you're pretty smart for a guy who doesn't know how to chop a .wav up for himself. Aren't you a mastering engineer?

yes, for a long time, read the FAQ on the link

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Originally posted by cryophonik Wow, you're pretty smart for a guy who doesn't know how to chop a .wav up for himself. Aren't you a mastering engineer?

I'm lazy, did above on my laptop, let the file play in Chrome.
but then again i'm right too, above posts to prove it

Sorry Cryo, I can't write a decent song, but got half decent ears

But then again, real question is, will it matter to the audience, or to put it otherwise will analogue put some subliminal ambiance on a track that your fans will appreciate more? who'll knows, probably not.

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Originally posted by Raphie I'm lazy, did above on my laptop, let the file play in Chrome. but then again i'm right too, above posts to prove it Sorry Cryo, I can't write a decent song, but got half decent ears But then again, real question is, will it matter to the audience, or to put it otherwise will analogue put some subliminal ambiance on a track that your fans will appreciate more? who'll knows, probably not.

So, you've proven that you were right by guessing that #2 and #3 were software, then claiming that you actually meant Comp #1 and Comp#2 when you were wrong? And, you couldn't even take a stab at which one was hardware, nor hazard a guess on the rest? And you've got great ears?

fine Cryo, not sure what you're after, but you "win"
I've picked out 2 VSTs via my laptop, no fuzz.

Get over it, there is still a difference between SW and analogue hardware. If it matters? that's up for u to decide.

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Originally posted by Raphie fine Cryo, not sure what you're after, but you "win" I've picked out 2 VSTs via my laptop, no fuzz. Get over it, there is still a difference between SW and analogue hardware. If it matters? that's up for u to decide.

I'll "get over it" when you get over making asinine statements like "...all software sounds shite..." The audio world could use more Alan Parsonseses and fewer people making absurd claims that they can't back up. This little demo showed several things, but most notably, that 7 different compressors using nearly identical settings all sound quite different, regardless of whether they're hardware or software. And, IMO, every one of them sounds good to me, depending on what I would want to use them for.

And, by the way, one thing worth addressing:

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Originally posted by Raphie the 1st one doesn't sound anything like my real G that's for sure and i can pick out a real 2500 from a Waves one anytime.

The point of posting the different compressors was never to prove or imply that the Waves is a perfect emulation of its hardware counterpart, in case that wasn't clear to anyone reading this.

cryo tell him the settings so he can post a wav

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Originally posted by wayfinder cryo tell him the settings so he can post a wav

I provided the settings and a high-quality .wav when I first posted it several pages back. He doesn't know how to download it to a laptop.


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That said - yeah, I'd love to have Raphie download the file and add some examples of his hardware compressors using the same settings just to hear the differences. That goes for anybody else who has compressors that I didn't use.

Start with the first clip (i.e., the raw file) - it's recorded at 112 BPM.

cryo, looks like i and not raphie was able to pick out which one was the hardware compressor. i feel special.

You can tell the better emulations by the attack time and the effect it has on the snare. The waves emus and the drawmer make the snare pop when you slam it. The others just sound too digital, most software comps can't get that really nice attack to them, the 1st waves emu is the only one which comes close. My ssl bus comp makes that great sound, might try and do a comparison like you suggested cryo

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