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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney great knowledge and skills but limited use because I think your idea is idiotic ? PLease do run me thru that logical quagmire. You are in your fucking 50s. And you talk about the sort of shit teens high on pot talk about. Ya, i find it funny. I think you are full of shit and i can't stand people that talk shit especially when sober.

Lol, you know that every time you comment over here, your opinion become more and more irrelevant and I said that before (maybe to you to dude) --> I don't dance!!!!

I learned in my live a lot of different things you probably can't even comprehend (the way you respond to this and most of those threads let me believe that you wouldn't) - just imagine this: one day I told my family that I'm going for few weeks trip and the next time they see me was 7 years later (I had my planes, I had my dreams which I had to follow) so, get this massage one more time "Don't tell me what is or what is not possible to do" a specially you dude. I didn't start with this 50's year old dude thing but as long you pushing this harder and harder.... - it is time for you kid to go to your bead.

I still like you and have no hard fillings (so far)

Cheers Rich,

Darek

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Originally posted by Beatflux I'm not trying to pull you down. I'm trying to give you an accurate picture of how your music really is.

It's kinda insulting that you honestly think I lack the capacity to realize my music isn't as good as a producer who had all but two of his tracks voted in the top 1,000 trance tracks of all time over at Armada. or that I'm bullshitting myself by readily acknowledging that I've neglected putting sufficient time into promotion to get worthwhile returns on the time I spend improving my production abilities.

For fuck's sake, I admitted that it's completely my fault, that doesn't make it any less frustrating. it's not like I take that frustration out on anyone but myself. I don't know what you want from me.

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Originally posted by Kysora It's kinda insulting that you honestly think I lack the capacity to realize my music isn't as good as a producer who had over 90% of his tracks voted in the top 1,000 trance tracks of all time over at Armada. or that I'm bullshitting myself by readily acknowledging that I've neglected putting sufficient time into promotion to get worthwhile returns on the time I spend improving my production abilities. For fuck's sake, I admitted that it's completely my fault, that doesn't make it any less frustrating. it's not like I take that frustration out on anyone but myself. I don't know what you want from me.

Honestly, dude, I think he's just trolling.

Maybe. I guess I operate better on the assumption that people are fucking stupid from time to time.

For the record I kind of like Andy Blueman - Sea Tides :X


I even put it second to last in a set I did recently. The last song I played was Band Of Horses - The Funeral. Hows that for cutting edge.

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Originally posted by Vector A Really, I don't think that the tracks from Blueman and Kysora are all that different, composition-wise. Of course, Blueman's track is about twice as loud and has four times the bass, and I guess that will tend to impress shallow people, so there is always that.

and here is that circle jerk

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Originally posted by Julz and here is that circle jerk

Wait. What? Explain, please.

Andy Blueman is like well say if Badelt did trance. I mean if it was music for mothers having babies wanting to hear like whale sounds and shit, i mean that is spot on but man, i don't see how anyone could hear that shit and not laugh. I mean it is worse than dj passion.

Sounds choice aside, the blue man track is very well composed. Alot of complementing elements.

Where as Kysora isn't.

Not being a asshole but if you cant see this and you tell him otherwise, your just giving him delusions to keep him doing what his doing. The only thing that will result is a bitter musican with a forum behind him who says his work is great.

isn't Kysora like asian ? they do two things well. Suzuki method and eradicating whales.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney Andy Blueman is like well say if Badelt did trance. I mean if it was music for mothers having babies wanting to hear like whale sounds and shit, i mean that is spot on but man, i don't see how anyone could hear that shit and not laugh. I mean it is worse than dj passion.

I listened to the music you posted a while back. It was pretty cool.
When I first heard Sea Tides, I absolutely loved it. It has topped my playlist for months. Different strokes and all that.

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Originally posted by Julz Sounds choice aside, the blue man track is very well composed. Alot of complementing elements. Where as Kysora isn't. Not being a asshole but if you cant see this and you tell him otherwise, your just giving him delusions to keep him doing what his doing. The only thing that will result is a bitter musican with a forum behind him who says his work is great.

You're missing some previous context here. I've spoken with him, at length, concerning my thoughts on his (Kysora's) strengths and weaknesses. Blueman is naturally going to shine a lot brighter. We're not blowing smoke up his ass with the comparison nor is "Clouds" the only track of Kysora's I'm thinking of in considering it.

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Originally posted by Normie I listened to the music you posted a while back. It was pretty cool. When I first heard Sea Tides, I absolutely loved it. It has topped my playlist for months. Different strokes and all that.

i just can't stop thinking about Cryos' wife everytime i hear the whales. My melodies spitted hot fire sans le gay.

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney i just can't stop thinking about Cryos' wife everytime i hear the whales. My melodies spitted hot fire sans le gay.

They did indeed! However 'le Gay' forever etched Blueman into the history of the genre

Normie - so straight you can navigate by me.

I agree with you, julz, I don't think I blended the elements together all that well, especially after the break. Sometimes I get it, sometimes I don't, but I'd be wasting my time if I didn't try to push myself. It was an honest attempt, I don't think it sounds horrible and I did all I could with it, but yeah it's not as cohesive as what Blueman does. I'm trying to work on that.

I mean, just listen to that first song he posted there, then Perihelion. That's 2 years of improvement. I mean neither are all that great but come on, I'm at least getting somewhere, don't try to bullshit me into thinking any modicum of positive feedback is going to somehow blindside me into complacency to the point where I stop improving.

let's move on or something

I like music like Bluemans' (Blew men?) in a similar way some people like ecstasy. I'm not an emotional person but the brain is wired to have a grand 'high' sense when it is plugged into an over the top Andy Blueman type song and a lot of Trance music in general.

I accept this kind of like a cheap thrill and give into. I like how it makes me feel but am fully aware that it is just that, a cheap thrill.

More serious 'music' is obviously Mozart, Sinatra, idk Pink Floyd.

What is serious music though? Isn't even The Funeral March or Adagio For Strings actually more structurally similar to Andy Bluemen than Elvis or The Rolling Stones?

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Originally posted by Looney4Clooney Andy Blueman is like well say if Badelt did trance.

Lol, you go from POTC to Starship Troopers 6.

Note to self: Do not get caught trying to screw your agent/manager.

Actually what is happening on TA recenty?

Where's the PLUR, Rainbows and Unincorns? I've had a couple of people have a dig at me recently (over technical advice of all things), and granted L4C has the subtlety of a rusty sledgehammer, but people seem mighty on edge and rather testy at the moment.

@darek - I think what he's trying to convey in a rather un-sugar coated way is that people with ground breaking ideas, generally just go out and make them happen, without looking for input, personal support or assurance in public forums, running open polls and trying to get a movement (or whatever it is you're alluding to) going.

If you have this idea, then sure, do a bit of research on here (again it's nothing you couldn't do from a few people via PM) with trusted people, then go off and do it. There's at least two other people planning a similar thing but they are not looking for approval or support, they are just quietly working away at making it happen, and I think that is what you should do if you believe you have something worthwhile.

I personally don't like itunes so I'm going to disagree with L4C. I don't like the DRM, and I don't like the idea of apple completely dominating all genres of music.

It's not like you have to reinvent the wheel. I mean, shit, beatport makes a sod load of money and frankly I find their site and model has major flaws. Someone could do a better "niche" site and grow it from there.

For instance my business is in a field that is saturated and when we researched it the initial signs weren't good; too many competitors and not space left in the market. So we went to all our competitors and every single one of them had a (if not several) major flaw(s).

Two years later, we're doing well and taking the market share from long established "famous names" in the industry.

Now don't get me wrong, I do agree with L4C on one thing: you'd better have $100,000 ready to lose or an investor with seriously deep pockets if you really want to challenge the current online music outlets.

But it can be done.

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Originally posted by Trancelover03591 I like music like Bluemans' (Blew men?) in a similar way some people like ecstasy. I'm not an emotional person but the brain is wired to have a grand 'high' sense when it is plugged into an over the top Andy Blueman type song and a lot of Trance music in general. I accept this kind of like a cheap thrill and give into. I like how it makes me feel but am fully aware that it is just that, a cheap thrill. More serious 'music' is obviously Mozart, Sinatra, idk Pink Floyd. What is serious music though? Isn't even The Funeral March or Adagio For Strings actually more structurally similar to Andy Bluemen than Elvis or The Rolling Stones?

I think of it like this. I'm a Steve Vai fanatic. I think he was put on earth to hold the fort until Christ comes back. It is as dense and technical as music can get.

But it's anything but 'easy' to listen to. When I'm in the mood for 'challengening listening' it's Vai by a mile.

But Vai or for many people Bach DeBussey et all are like owning a Ferrari. You take it out once in a while and rev the piss out of it and impress your buddies with your rich-man taste and sophistication, but living with one on a day to day basis isn't that great. Sometimes you want to hop into the F-150 and go haul ass down a dirt road.

Blueman gives me a little of each. Some 'classical' kinda sounds and a lot of plain fun.

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Originally posted by Normie I think of it like this. I'm a Steve Vai fanatic. I think he was put on earth to hold the fort until Christ comes back. It is as dense and technical as music can get. But it's anything but 'easy' to listen to. When I'm in the mood for 'challengening listening' it's Vai by a mile. But Vai or for many people Bach DeBussey et all are like owning a Ferrari. You take it out once in a while and rev the piss out of it and impress your buddies with your rich-man taste and sophistication, but living with one on a day to day basis isn't that great. Sometimes you want to hop into the F-150 and go haul ass down a dirt road. Blueman gives me a little of each. Some 'classical' kinda sounds and a lot of plain fun.

To put it in a double negative: I don't disagree with that.

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Originally posted by DJ RANN Lol, you go from POTC to Starship Troopers 6. Note to self: Do not get caught trying to screw your agent/manager. Actually what is happening on TA recenty? Where's the PLUR, Rainbows and Unincorns? I've had a couple of people have a dig at me recently (over technical advice of all things), and granted L4C has the subtlety of a rusty sledgehammer, but people seem mighty on edge and rather testy at the moment. @darek - I think what he's trying to convey in a rather un-sugar coated way is that people with ground breaking ideas, generally just go out and make them happen, without looking for input, personal support or assurance in public forums, running open polls and trying to get a movement (or whatever it is you're alluding to) going. If you have this idea, then sure, do a bit of research on here (again it's nothing you couldn't do from a few people via PM) with trusted people, then go off and do it. There's at least two other people planning a similar thing but they are not looking for approval or support, they are just quietly working away at making it happen, and I think that is what you should do if you believe you have something worthwhile. I personally don't like itunes so I'm going to disagree with L4C. I don't like the DRM, and I don't like the idea of apple completely dominating all genres of music. It's not like you have to reinvent the wheel. I mean, shit, beatport makes a sod load of money and frankly I find their site and model has major flaws. Someone could do a better "niche" site and grow it from there. For instance my business is in a field that is saturated and when we researched it the initial signs weren't good; too many competitors and not space left in the market. So we went to all our competitors and every single one of them had a (if not several) major flaw(s). Two years later, we're doing well and taking the market share from long established "famous names" in the industry. Now don't get me wrong, I do agree with L4C on one thing: you'd better have $100,000 ready to lose or an investor with seriously deep pockets if you really want to challenge the current online music outlets. But it can be done.

Yeah, I hear you man, I know that is not going to be easy task, a specially with big sharks (like itunes, beatport, ...) when they will find out that something is going around and slowly taking same very small but still financial bits from their profit lol.

After initial analysis (very quick and rough) it is going to be bumpy ride with a lot of logistic elements/issues which need to be resolve, like international payment, release contracts, end on .... .

As far as discussions over here, yeah, people kind of dragging this info out of me and this is nothing wrong with that at all except I couldn't give the any specific info at this time (as this is being resolve/consider or in process at the particular moment).

Finally, at this particular stage and even when will be up and running, I don't think this concept will cost that much money you guys mention at all but later, we will see, we will grow with business and when right time will come, we may need some financial assistance lol (this is really future we are talking about lol)

Cheers DJRANN,

Darek

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Originally posted by Julz and here is that circle jerk

Neither are my cup of tea, style-wise, so I think I can be fairly objective about it. Not trying to blow sunshine up anyone's ass around here anyway.

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Originally posted by Kysora It's kinda insulting that you honestly think I lack the capacity to realize my music isn't as good as a producer who had all but two of his tracks voted in the top 1,000 trance tracks of all time over at Armada. or that I'm bullshitting myself by readily acknowledging that I've neglected putting sufficient time into promotion to get worthwhile returns on the time I spend improving my production abilities. For fuck's sake, I admitted that it's completely my fault, that doesn't make it any less frustrating. it's not like I take that frustration out on anyone but myself. I don't know what you want from me.

Are you posting in the promo section to get better, or just for a pat on the back?

Most of the time, people seem like they are looking for a pat on the back.

L4C gives pretty spot on advice 99% of the time, and he's ignored.

On of the worst circle jerks was with Eddie's album; the music was one seemingly long loop and everyone who was friends with him jumped on the chance to scratch his back.

At this moment I'm just in it for the fun. I don't care for money, I enjoy people's feedback and their listening pleasure. I work with those I appreciate as a person, musician or labelmanager. I'm pretty much at a point where I stopped caring about the contracts and I'm just having fun. Everything I do is mostly in exchange for a bit appreciation. I've become fairly bitter about the way most labels seem to work these days. There are some exceptions too though, luckily.

To sum it up: It's all about the ride right now.

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Originally posted by Storyteller At this moment I'm just in it for the fun. I don't care for money, I enjoy people's feedback and their listening pleasure. I work with those I appreciate as a person, musician or labelmanager. I'm pretty much at a point where I stopped caring about the contracts and I'm just having fun. Everything I do is mostly in exchange for a bit appreciation. I've become fairly bitter about the way most labels seem to work these days. There are some exceptions too though, luckily. To sum it up: It's all about the ride right now.

Good point man, this is why I'm in this for "a bit of appreciation" lol not really for money.

I have great work which pay well for me and my family (so no pressure there and maybe make L4B the "One" dude jealous lol), so I don't have to push hard with this idea only my financial benefits but more for help myself and few of my friend to be heard lol.

Cheers,

Darek

jesus fuck, get over L4C already. I'm sure his cynicism is frustrating but this is the second unrelated thread you've mentioned it in, it's weird seeing it from one of the more level-headed members around here.

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