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Posted by DJ-Kuza on Sep-11-2002 15:04:

It all depends on your mood. I can't take trance all day long, sometimes I need some prog to groove on for a while.

Prog = Trancy house. deep base with deep beats. Build ups have more beats in them than trance. If it's got a base line, a steady beat and lots of sounds that aren't all synths, then it's most likey prog.

If anyone here things prog can't build up as powerfull as trance, well go download:
Sasha&Digweed Live @ Immense Velocity.
At the 59 minute mark to about the 61 minute mark is one of the BEST builds I've ever heard anywhere. The Sax on top of those base lines... OMFG it's a track I need to find. Sure it doesn't go up and down all the time, but at least it doesn't have a 2 minutes of nothing every track like most trance does.

Both are good. Anything on Black hole is usually good prog.


Posted by basd on Sep-11-2002 17:18:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ-Kuza
Sasha&Digweed Live @ Immense Velocity.

Indeed, very nice set
quote:

Anything on Black hole is usually good prog.

Anything on Black-Hole is usually trance.


Posted by ant1832 on Sep-11-2002 17:54:

I still love trance, but it just doesn't do it for me anymore like it used to. I'm tired of the roller coaster every trance song goes thru. Builds up, then silence, then build up again.

That's why i love prog so much now. Steady consistant hard beats. The louder the better. Just don't listen to it on a crappy system otherwise you prolly won't even heard some of the bass which is a huge element in prog.


Posted by dark_tenshi on Sep-11-2002 19:45:

Progressive House, in its purist form, is basically a hybrid of house and trance music. It takes the percussive rhythms of house music, adds the electronic synthesized melodies of trance music and fuses them together. Some people find house a little too slow and some find trance to be too hyper.

Progressive combines the greatest elements of these two kinds of music as well as incorporating elements from genres like techno, breaks, and so on.

A lot of people who are into trance would find progressive "boring" because they are used to listening to the synths and melodies. But progressive is not just about synths and melodies, the baseline of progressive songs are also a big part of it.

And once you begin to "understand" progressive, you will find that the song structures are more rich and sophisticated. You won't hear the same baseline over and over through an entire song. Also, you will discover there are many many samples, voices, and effects that are "built-in" in progressive songs. When you can fully digest and appreciate all these elements combined and placed perfectly in a good progressive song, you will scream: "This what I want to listen to from now on!"


Posted by DJ-Kuza on Sep-11-2002 20:14:

quote:
Originally posted by basd

Indeed, very nice set

Anything on Black-Hole is usually trance.



Maybe I'm thining of another label. Blackwatch maybe?


Posted by cluBBer on Sep-11-2002 20:14:

Arrow

Peace , Love & Progressive Trance


Posted by basd on Sep-11-2002 21:08:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ-Kuza

Maybe I'm thining of another label. Blackwatch maybe?

Doubt that

Blackwatch is an alias of US prog. producer Michael Thomas.


Posted by DJ CLUSTER on Sep-11-2002 21:13:

Progressive is what really caught my ear in the first place.
Look around for some Hooj Choons workings. I'm sure Hooj will help ease you into enjoying progressive

Cheers,
Zigg's
www.djcluster.com


Posted by Kurve on Sep-12-2002 00:46:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ-Kuza



Maybe I'm thining of another label. Blackwatch maybe?


i belive you talking about Pitchblack/Pipline...www.satilliterecords.com... label...

Blackwatch = Michael Thomas used to work for them and usually has a lot of stuff released on that label


Posted by DJ-Kuza on Sep-12-2002 04:17:

That's it, pitchblack. And I like Forensic and DC. Many good prog labels out there.


Posted by J-SiN on Sep-12-2002 06:54:

i luv progressive, there's 1 track that stands out over almost any other progressive track out there, im sure after hearing this ur opinion on progressive will change:

Sander Kleinenberg - Venus & Mars

simply superb in every way......does every1 else out there agree wif me??


Posted by randummboy on Sep-12-2002 07:00:

yea.. deffinitly a good prog trance track..


Posted by Tukan on Sep-12-2002 07:52:

quote:
Originally posted by J-SiN
i luv progressive, there's 1 track that stands out over almost any other progressive track out there, im sure after hearing this ur opinion on progressive will change:

Sander Kleinenberg - Venus & Mars

simply superb in every way......does every1 else out there agree wif me??


Yep luv this track's beat.. just makes u wanna dance.. and the synths are great too.

This and Accadia - Into the Dawn (James Holden Mix)(If it counts in your opinion) are my fav. prog tracks.

But I also really dig anyphink by Satoshi Tomiie. I like everyphink from Steve Lawler to James Holden in this genre, but I'd prefer a mix of the two....so does anyone phink Nu Breed 6 wuld be a good choice??

I'm asking cause its $50 here (which is quite expensive).


Posted by J-SiN on Sep-12-2002 08:24:

quote:
Originally posted by Tukan


Yep luv this track's beat.. just makes u wanna dance.. and the synths are great too.

This and Accadia - Into the Dawn (James Holden Mix)(If it counts in your opinion) are my fav. prog tracks.

But I also really dig anyphink by Satoshi Tomiie. I like everyphink from Steve Lawler to James Holden in this genre, but I'd prefer a mix of the two....so does anyone phink Nu Breed 6 wuld be a good choice??

I'm asking cause its $50 here (which is quite expensive).


yepp definately Accadia - Into The Dawn (James Holden Mix).............hrmzzz.......is Nu Breed 6 the 1 mixed by Satoshi Tomiie?? cauz ova here itz only about $35 which is a good price, and i've listened 2 this 1 and itz pure quality!! also anythink by steve lawler, like Lights Out for instance (and itz got a madddddd ass cover!!!) but this may be getting more into tribal........another great track 2 try is Steve Lawler - Rise 'In (Montreal Men Menergy Mix)

J:SiN


Posted by Club Attack on Sep-12-2002 09:52:

King

I don't want to listen to it all night, but I find its great to warm up to, I don't like starting the night with full-on trance anthems. Last few times I've seen Ashley Casselle he's blown me away, and when he used to warm up for PVD at Crasher he was very progressive. IMO he plays more sort of uplifting progressive, not quite trance, but somewhere in between (if thats possible!) I think I've started to appreciate it more. I also REALLY enjoyed Steve Lawler at Space this year. I'd never seen him before but he was brilliant! He played a mixture of house and progressive and it sounded really good. Man that guy can mix!

Progressive definitely better live, it bores the shit out of me if I listen to it on a CD!


Posted by DJ Logix on Sep-12-2002 10:10:

Why do ppol tell me my sets dont sound progressive but i use songs that ppol consider as being progressive i dont understand it. I mean i play at lik 133bpm or so so i guess its a tad bit faster than say 128-130bpm. Some say its not boring like progressive i really dont understand. If u'd like to see what im talkin about u can give my latest mix cd a listen called Progression For A Dream @ http://highfreq.homelinux.com/sets/...15_02_Demo.mp3.

Peace u can email me or prv msg me with what ur takes on this set are. If its progressive trance or a nice combo or a bad combo.
Peace


Posted by J-SiN on Sep-12-2002 10:45:

omg how could i have forgot, this is probably my fav progressive track of all time:

Bedrock - Beautiful Strange (Voyager's Platinum Remix)

J:SiN


Posted by J-SiN on Sep-12-2002 10:47:

quote:
Originally posted by DJ Logix
Why do ppol tell me my sets dont sound progressive but i use songs that ppol consider as being progressive i dont understand it. I mean i play at lik 133bpm or so so i guess its a tad bit faster than say 128-130bpm. Some say its not boring like progressive i really dont understand. If u'd like to see what im talkin about u can give my latest mix cd a listen called Progression For A Dream @ http://highfreq.homelinux.com/sets/...15_02_Demo.mp3.

Peace u can email me or prv msg me with what ur takes on this set are. If its progressive trance or a nice combo or a bad combo.
Peace


im on dial up so i cant really d/l the set atm......but post a tracklisting here and we'll c.......


Posted by DJ Logix on Sep-12-2002 12:40:

Tracklisting Here

1
Exclusive Track Part 1 Very Progressive House ( I mean very)

2
Exclusive Track Part 2 (Same as Track 1)

3
Sasha - Xpander (Original Mix)

4
Satoshie Tomie - Virus (Original Mix)

5
Odessi - Moments In Space (Extended Mix)

6
Amoebaassassin - Pusher (Dub Mix)

7
Blue Planet Corporation - Digital Forward (Original Mix)

8
Members Of Mayday - Sonic Empire (Oliver Klein Remix)

9
Reflective & Andreea Britton - Breathe Life (Monza's 205 Mph Remix)

10
Shmoo - Sophisticated (Original Mix)

11
Future Sounds Of London - Papua New Guinea (Marco V Remix)

12
3 Monkeys - Crazy People (Original Mix)

13
DJ Tiesto - Lethal Industry (Svenson and Gielen Remix)

14
Airbase tune

15
The Ambush - Asymmetric (Phools Inc V2 Remix)


Posted by J-SiN on Sep-12-2002 12:45:

hrmzz.....the only traxx i'd wanna re-evaluate would b:

Sasha - Xpander
MoM - Sonic EMpire
Tiesto - Lethan Industry

i know i know, yes they r progressive, but r also bordering on trance, so if ur sets r getting across the wrong msg, turn to chris fortier for inspiration, also sander kleinenberg........u should get ur hands on traxx by Solid Sessions, Graham & Porter, Sander Kleinenberg, Coco Da Silva

J:SiN


Posted by basd on Sep-12-2002 13:11:

The start of the mix seems progressive to me.. but it's evolving more and more into trance.

Calling a Svenson & Gielen remix progressive is like calling Jennifer Lopez techno.


Posted by DJ Logix on Sep-12-2002 16:58:

quote:
The start of the mix seems progressive to me.. but it's evolving more and more into trance.


Yeah dood that is tru. I would never consider Svenson and Gielen Progressive at all. But the majority of the set is for the most part progressive or non cheesey trance. The reason i start off with progressive its more smoother and relax then hit up some trance traxx.
I don't consider myself as being a progressive house dj but i love progressive so i will use it for the most part. I dont really know what subgenre to say i spin i know its no cheese. And its a mix between general, melodic, and progressive. Id like to hear what big name djs im similar it better help me. Like if it were PVD, Tiesto, AVB, Max Graham, Oakie or whoever. Thats why id like for ppol to give it a listen and tell me some things.
Its mixed pretty decently on the Live Logix front which is a full on live performance. ANd will get even more live and more extras added in as funds and collabos come together (such as live vocals).


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