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Originally posted by Acton Bags. bags.

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Originally posted by Acton Bags. bags.

Bags! Udderly ridiculous!

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Originally posted by Halcyon+On+On Bags! Udderly ridiculous!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Again, source? Pasteurization does effect some enzymes in milk, but nothing to suggest this has anything to do with a human�s ability to �put it down properly�.

http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/index.html

This is a good site to read through. The author has done a lot of research and also does a good job of giving his sources for much of the information he posts.

For me, personally, I really like the taste of it much more then the rice water you normally buy at the grocery store; so that is reason #1 for why I consume it. I did notice that it helps me when I'm eating spicy foods or foods that would normally destroy my stomach and send me running for the bathroom. So that is another reason why I continue to drink it almost on a daily basis. Will this work for everyone? Probably not but I'll certainly continue drinking it. It's like anything else you put in your body; if it's not handled or prepared properly, it's more liable to make you ill.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/index.html This is a good site to read through. The author has done a lot of research and also does a good job of giving his sources for much of the information he posts. For me, personally, I really like the taste of it much more then the rice water you normally buy at the grocery store; so that is reason #1 for why I consume it. I did notice that it helps me when I'm eating spicy foods or foods that would normally destroy my stomach and send me running for the bathroom. So that is another reason why I continue to drink it almost on a daily basis. Will this work for everyone? Probably not but I'll certainly continue drinking it. It's like anything else you put in your body; if it's not handled or prepared properly, it's more liable to make you ill.

Yeah, so I�ve looked through multiple links on that page and I cannot find an answer to my question.

There�s also a few suspicious woo-like comments, such as

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Don't let the government and the giant food companies do your homework/thinking for you. Your health must be in your hands alone!

Because you know, individual non-specialist are just awesome at research.

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutriti...ium-full-story/

"Currently, there's no good evidence that consuming more than one serving of milk per day in addition to a reasonable diet (which typically provides about 300 milligrams of calcium per day from nondairy sources) will reduce fracture risk. Because of unresolved concerns about the risk of ovarian and prostate cancer, it may be prudent to avoid higher intakes of dairy products."


I personally avoid milk for the most part. Prefer Bailey's for my coffee if it's not going to be black, don't have cereal that often, don't really love the taste of milk like many people. Before I came to England and started actually eating cereal again, I don't remember the last time I had actually bought milk. I would have maybe one glass a month. Now I go through maybe a pint a week, primarily in cereal.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Because you know, individual non-specialist are just awesome at research.

APPEAL TO AUTHORITY

SHEEP

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN Yeah, so I�ve looked through multiple links on that page and I cannot find an answer to my question.[/img]

There's a ton of info on that site. You obviously didn't read much of it, considering how quickly you replied back to me. So, either read it all or don't. Really doesn't matter to me.

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There�s also a few suspicious woo-like comments, such as ... Because you know, individual non-specialist are just awesome at research.

Take from that message what you will. Again, it all comes down to personal choice. I choose to drink it because it tastes good and makes me feel good. Others prefer not to for their own reasons.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT There's a ton of info on that site. You obviously didn't read much of it, considering how quickly you replied back to me. So, either read it all or don't. Really doesn't matter to me.

I asked a specific question. I clicked every single link I thought may cover the question I asked. If you�re saying you made it up and can�t provide an actual statement supported by research, that�s ok. I�ll forgive you.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT Take from that message what you will. Again, it all comes down to personal choice. I choose to drink it because it tastes good and makes me feel good. Others prefer not to for their own reasons.

I have no issues with people making their own choices. What I don�t like is wild claims bereft of supporting evidence.

Usually in winter

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Originally posted by ziptnf Well, duh! Of course Lira drinks that much milk. Haven't you seen how much that man loves breasts??

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Originally posted by Acton Bags. bags.

i found an interesting article on the history of milk consumption. i can't vouch for it's accuracy, but it is interesting nevertheless.

long story short, drinking fresh bovine milk is a relatively new phenomena, probably only a few hundred years (if not even less!), which by any measure is a minuscule amount of time in the broad arc of human evolution.

i suppose this article sheds a little light on the peculiar fact that we (humans) give milk to cats and dogs; drinking fresh milk was something mostly animals did.

George Morland | The Artist's Cat Drinking - 1792


from WIKI, on the topic of dairy consumption in the middle ages.

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Milk was an important source of animal protein for those who could not afford meat. It would mostly come from cows, but milk from goats and sheep was also common. Plain fresh milk was not consumed by adults except the poor or sick, and was usually reserved for the very young or elderly. Poor adults would sometimes drink buttermilk or whey or milk that was soured or watered down.[54] Fresh milk was overall less common than other dairy products because of the lack of technology to keep it from spoiling. On occasion it was used in upper-class kitchens in stews, but it was difficult to keep fresh in bulk and almond milk was generally used in its stead.[55] Cheese was far more important as a foodstuff, especially for common people, and it has been suggested that it was, during many periods, the chief supplier of animal protein among the lower classes.[56] Many varieties of cheese eaten today, like Dutch Edam, Northern French Brie and Italian Parmesan, were available and well known in late medieval times. There were also whey cheeses, like ricotta, made from by-products of the production of harder cheeses. Cheese was used in cooking for pies and soups, the latter being common fare in German-speaking areas. Butter, another important dairy product, was in popular use in the regions of Northern Europe that specialized in cattle production in the latter half of the Middle Ages, the Low Countries and Southern Scandinavia. While most other regions used oil or lard as cooking fats, butter was the dominant cooking medium in these areas. Its production also allowed for a lucrative butter export from the 12th century onward.[57]

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN I asked a specific question. I clicked every single link I thought may cover the question I asked. If you�re saying you made it up and can�t provide an actual statement supported by research, that�s ok. I�ll forgive you. I have no issues with people making their own choices. What I don�t like is wild claims bereft of supporting evidence.

DOOMBOT tends to run out of argument long before he runs out of placeholder comebacks.

So what do we have, assuming all this unverified and poorly researched hearsay is true? Milk is bad for your health because of vague links to cancer and a suggestion it may increase the risk of kidney stones in those who are genetically susceptible. Given that there's no history of kidney stones in my family despite decades of milk-drinking and that everything from sunlight through to plastic water bottles has some vague link to cancer, I'm going to conclude that there is no risk to my health from drinking milk, certainly none that outweighs the nutritional benefits.

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Originally posted by Acton I'm still trying to comprehend why milk is sometimes sold in bags. Bags.

I've only seen the bag milk when I worked at food service and we had to load it into the milk dispenser thing. never seen it in stores at all.

For those who don't know, they come in 3 separate bags inside the container bag.

You cut off a piece from the end, usually sideways so it makes a triangle opening thingy. You put the bag into another plastic container and then pour it like you would a regular carton!

We Canadians like to do it awesome.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J DOOMBOT tends to run out of argument long before he runs out of placeholder comebacks. So what do we have, assuming all this unverified and poorly researched hearsay is true? Milk is bad for your health because of vague links to cancer and a suggestion it may increase the risk of kidney stones in those who are genetically susceptible. Given that there's no history of kidney stones in my family despite decades of milk-drinking and that everything from sunlight through to plastic water bottles has some vague link to cancer, I'm going to conclude that there is no risk to my health from drinking milk, certainly none that outweighs the nutritional benefits.

Yeah, I'm still going to drink it though.

i have not had a real glass of milk since i've been here and i miss it. i buy this long lasting milk for what passes for my morning coffee here imported from germany. i does not taste right. i won't drink chinese milk, because i value my health. i miss canadian milk.

i made crepes with bananas and nutella (the real stuff in the glass jar, not the cheap nutella in the plastic jar that italians won't eat) last week. without a tall glass of cold 1% at the end it really was like sex without orgasm. et tu blute.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN You�ve copied that straight from a site that is full of absolute nonsense (and not a single reference). Get a clue.

As you don't know the my source, you can't judge if it's full of absolute nonsense or not.
You could have ask for the reference instead. Grow up!

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT I've given milk to people who think they are "lactose intolerant" and they were fine after drinking it.

Give them milk daily for half a year or so and see if they still feel fine.
If they are fine maybe they aren't lactose intolerant at all.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB As you don't know the my source, you can't judge if it's full of absolute nonsense or not.

yes i do. i read it, verbatim, like an hour before you posted it. and the site has had more nuts on it than your mum's chin.

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Originally posted by Trance-MB Give them milk daily for half a year or so and see if they still feel fine. If they are fine maybe they aren't lactose intolerant at all.

Oh, is half a year the magic number?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN yes i do. i read it, verbatim, like an hour before you posted it. and the site has had more nuts on it than your mum's chin.

Name the two professors who were interviewed and I'll believe you.

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Originally posted by DOOMBOT Oh, is half a year the magic number?

Off course not, I just picked that as I think it could be long enough. I'm no expert. But drinking one glass of milk is far from drinking milk daily for years.
Maybe you can try with your neighbor's cat and find out.

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