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Since you all have the experience...

I know some places will give you the full package, not just the way to kick/punch, etc. The history, philosophy, meditation, the whole nine yards. Are there certain disciplines that would incorporate more of the mental aspect when being taught? Or is that simply up to the teacher?

I took Karate when I was younger, which was just a joke, one of those things that everyone was doing. But being an Eastern Philosophies major I've grown very interested in starting a discipline but I'm not really sure which I'd like to go into. Plus, I've always been hesitant to go to a training area in the states, because I don't know which are legit and which are just out as a "business".

Specifically, if anyone lives in Pennsylvania and knows some areas to check out, I'd really appreciate it.

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Originally posted by Omegasox Since you all have the experience... I know some places will give you the full package, not just the way to kick/punch, etc. The history, philosophy, meditation, the whole nine yards. Are there certain disciplines that would incorporate more of the mental aspect when being taught? Or is that simply up to the teacher? I took Karate when I was younger, which was just a joke, one of those things that everyone was doing. But being an Eastern Philosophies major I've grown very interested in starting a discipline but I'm not really sure which I'd like to go into. Plus, I've always been hesitant to go to a training area in the states, because I don't know which are legit and which are just out as a "business". Specifically, if anyone lives in Pennsylvania and knows some areas to check out, I'd really appreciate it.

Its so difficult, especially for people new to martial arts, to find a good school. Since martial arts has become such a booming market, alot of people, especially in North America, have picked up some videos/magazines, learned some moves, and opened up their own school. Alot of beginners wouldn't be able to tell the difference.

Even in China, its hard to find a good traditional school that will give you the full package.

When you go into a new school, there are certain things you should look for, like how class is conducted, how the instructor teaches, how the school is kept... does the school look traditional? or is it one of those new age urban fitness studios with AC and saunas (someone actually came into our school and asked if we had saunas) lol. You should also ask the instructor questions, about his lineage, what the school teaches... its also good to do a bit of research about the martial art you want to study, before looking for a good school.

Good luck with your search for a school. Finding the right one really makes a difference whether martial arts becomes just a hobby, or a way of life.

I picked up my shinai yesterday.. can't wait to start practicing kendo.

especially when i get to wear the hakama (samurai style pants).

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Originally posted by Omegasox Since you all have the experience... I know some places will give you the full package, not just the way to kick/punch, etc. The history, philosophy, meditation, the whole nine yards. Are there certain disciplines that would incorporate more of the mental aspect when being taught? Or is that simply up to the teacher? I took Karate when I was younger, which was just a joke, one of those things that everyone was doing. But being an Eastern Philosophies major I've grown very interested in starting a discipline but I'm not really sure which I'd like to go into. Plus, I've always been hesitant to go to a training area in the states, because I don't know which are legit and which are just out as a "business". Specifically, if anyone lives in Pennsylvania and knows some areas to check out, I'd really appreciate it.

Signs of a dodgy martial arts school:

1) Mixture of diverse asian cultural elements (A comon example is a "Kung Fu" or even better a "Shaolin" school that uses Japanese gi's as uniform, has Japanese terminology like "kata" or "kumite", Japanese weapons etc...)

2) Claims to be the only inheritor of an extremely rare style (could be true but one should be careful)

3) Instructor says the style is too dangerous for sparring.

4) Sparring with other martial artists is discouraged.

5) Instructor/Master is reluctant to go into details about the history of the style or his/her lineage... lineage is agood place to start, it may not be all that important, but its a good way of ensuring that you're getting taught the real deal and not something the instructor concocted from a mish-mash of martial arts in the 60's.

6) You get your black belt after only two years of training and upon receiving it the instructor says: "would you like fries with that?"

Find out what schools exist around your area, if there are any Chinese martial arts schools (Kwoons), then post info here and either me or quddha or someone else may be able to help you out... Watch out there are a lot of scams in the MA world.

Going to my first Bujinkan class this week, thanks for all the help!

(Didn't want this thread to die)

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Originally posted by trancendental Usually I'm pretty quiet about it, as I try to progress in my understanding for obvious reasons. I'm just wondering any TAs here have taken any self defence or better yet, still doing it.

Aikido 2 years

JKD privately trained for a year

am not hip on fighting but hey if I need to use it I will.

If it means life and death situation.

But like you I keep stay humble and not try to interact with any reason to fight at all. I'm a nice guy

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Originally posted by quddha Its so difficult, especially for people new to martial arts, to find a good school. Since martial arts has become such a booming market, alot of people, especially in North America, have picked up some videos/magazines, learned some moves, and opened up their own school. Alot of beginners wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Even in China, its hard to find a good traditional school that will give you the full package. When you go into a new school, there are certain things you should look for, like how class is conducted, how the instructor teaches, how the school is kept... does the school look traditional? or is it one of those new age urban fitness studios with AC and saunas (someone actually came into our school and asked if we had saunas) lol. You should also ask the instructor questions, about his lineage, what the school teaches... its also good to do a bit of research about the martial art you want to study, before looking for a good school. Good luck with your search for a school. Finding the right one really makes a difference whether martial arts becomes just a hobby, or a way of life.

Aikido and JKD are reason for good old school.. This one is not just kicking and punching and thats it.. This one makes you understand the history and why they do this.. ALso disciplinary action to calm yourself in a zen mood. PLus old school fighters are harsher then new school.. New schools are more of tournaments and trying to make it a sport. If you want old school do some reasearch on the history of that art and find the closet guy thats still alive and you will find your traditional martial arts.

I'd take a guy back in 1950s if you follow along those timelines you'll find your closet guy to the master. If its just recently and no background whatsoever connected to the master forget it.

JKD if you follow the history it also dealt with Gracis Jujitsu.. and the Gracis family are still alive in california and still ahve classes

Oh ya

You won't be disappointed if you took JKD.. within at least 4 months of continious training you can already take out 8 guys thats a fact. My friend took JKD while he was a senior in highschool. In 4-6 months time these highschool seniors from a different school ganged up on him because he was taking out this girl or something at this diner and i think they had issues with him. So him and his friend were called out and they were just standing there saying whats your problem.. My friend wasn't even going to fight until this one guy came up to him and then started to pretend "hump" his leg. So my friend pushed him to the ground, and thats when everyoen charged. But I felt sorry for the first guy who came after my friend. You should have seen it.. Guy just came running at him and then my friend just kicked him in the balls so hard that he started bleeding from his mouth then he kicked another in the stomach and punched another guy in the face. His friend helped out also but got knocked down to the floor as he punched one of them. Man it was a crazy brawl.. and you thought movies were real you should have seen this. Only if I had a video camera. I was so awed by it because man his training wasn't even a year or half a year to say and he just took em out so easily like it was trash.

Also 9 months in training this guy named Verol at the gym had 14 years of thai boxing exp. Verol was 30 years old and my friend was 19, and wanted to spar with him for fun. My friend never knew how much of an experience Verol had, but all he knew Verol was jacked up and knew how do grappling etc... Anyways so they did start the sparing.. and man my friend had killer legs and not meaning fuggin sexy but I mean like dangerous ones. One kick of his leg to your leg it will be broken just like that. So anyways on we go.. They start fighting.. My friend decides to give him a taste of what hurt means so he tries to do the hardest and killer kick. You hear a big SMACK, like someone hitting a wooden board. You thought the other guys leg was broken, but after my friend kicked, he moved back and his leg was badly hurt and couldn't move it much. It wasn't broken but it was sprained or something and was limping. They decided to stop cuz it was too much and he found out that Verol, trained in Thai boxing and Verol's legs were conditioned like crazy. Just think of a guy kicking a pole with his legs everyday instead of a punching bag. Just to show the motivation Verol even congratulated him because he has never seen a kid that age that would spar with a 30 year old 14 exp thai boxer.

I have many stories .. but now he takes judo and he won 3rd place nationlist in Long Island.. so anyone in long island know about that.. thats him .

I would want to train with him or spar with him anytime but I hardly see him.

I sparred with his friend at his backyard and all I gotta say those punching gloves hurt like a mofo.. but at least I got him in the face but he got pissed off and took me down on the cement lol (And you thought it was grass :P) Ya those were the days I haven't done it in 3 years but I still practice my warm ups in the bathroom everyday. More like a Zen feeling of calmnesss. If everyone took zen mediation nobody would have anything up their asses .

what is this JKD?

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Originally posted by sym what is this JKD?

JKD= Jeet Kune Do

Art of Bruce Lee on Groundfighting.

Many people critcize Bruce Lee's works but try the art and it will change your mind.

This is the only art that learns how to break other arts

It's more direct instead of fancy styles like wushu or kungfu.
wushu = more for show ex: films, stages,etc.. not for fighting

In a real battle you would never go ala matrix and do the style of the crane or teh tiger. This is all direct hitting. Like tae kwon do is snap and block, but this style is snap and questions later.

Try it its really good.. first sessions you will already start getting bruised up. They will discipline you so you can be tough and have the confidence to beat the person even if they are big muscle man.

Once you reach a certain level in that style you can learn more from higher masters and also learn how to see everything in frames when you fight. Some peopel don't believe this but its true.. ever see those battles when you fight you just see really fast motion. Now if you trained your eyes in frames, you will be able to see everything in a choppy motion so you know when to strike. Think of it as a lag vision but realtime. Thats how Bruce was able to find everyone's weakness. Never believe Hollywood films. That part where he got his back broken is not true and even the family of the Lee's disgree it ever happened. Hollywood just wants to make it look dramatic that a man so powerful can get hurt, but it never happened. He beat the guy like that.. no way in hell he was ever beaten in a battle.

If you want the real deal take this or Gracies Jujitsu either way you can't go wrong. Never NEVER take karate.. that is the worst martial arts ever.. the movements are so jerky and choppy and they are so open to attack easily. *Cough* tiger shulzman If they were ever in a competition with the Gracies they would be gone. So thats my oppinion.. sorry for any karate people here, but its true. If you go against any JKD who has experience I suggest you quit before you even start. What you want in a style is fluid and direct..anything but karate.. I'd take wushu or kungfu over that, but if you want actual art this is it. Ya know if I took karate I probably wouldn't even know how a person would fight from their stance. Even if I did know I wouldn't know how to break it because all I would be thinking about is blocking and snapping.. by the time your doing that the other opponet would have countered you easily before you even punched.

So ya nothing to loose to take this art unless your badly hurt, but it builds confidence and your innerself. You will learn everything from jujistu to aikido to kungfu.. all those arts will form into one, which will teach you how to break other arts. You will also learn the history of why this art was formed and how it dominates the other arts. Master Gracie is still alive and the only person that can tell about who Bruce Lee was becuase he did spar against Bruce Lee.

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Originally posted by Dhagor Learned Karate when younger but got bored. Then I found Aikido but had to stop practicing after 2 years cuz my knees are all messed up and need a surgery (they wont bend like they are supposed to ) but I think that starting from January '03 I'll start with Aikido lessons again ... or Capoeira ... dont know yet.

wow you too? lol I had the same problem with my knees too rofl.

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Originally posted by _Nut_ Hello. I took Tae Kwon Do for a year and got upto a high red belt. (yes one step b4 black) I stopped for no reason. Just got bored I guess. My lastest venture is Thai Boxing. For those that dont know what it is, you should study up, and for those that do know......I loved it when my instructor handed me a coke bottle and said roll this up and down the front of your legs........ just to break all the nerve endings... So yea it is mighty intense... but fun as hell

Ya glass bottles hurt my friend gave me a vodka bottle he's like try this and I just did a one roll down and I was like MOTEHR FFFF... fuggin made me tear.. all those bumps on my shins and going dug dug dug rofl..but then again I haven't really done it every day.. the only thing I do is punch brick walls or anything hard like steel.. Keep my knuckles in shape.. people wonder why I have big knuckles lol.. I was like cuz I can't feel anything when I punch heck you do that every day, condition it, just tapping on wood or brick and then testing it by punchign yourself you'll know how hard it is . Probably why my jaw is a little messed up.. I always have to put it back in place whenever it gets stuck rofl and it makes a *clinch noise. Then again you don't do it right you'll get major artheritis when you grow older.. I'm getting a little bit cuz i didn't condition my right hand correctly.. its not major I just have to feel it around and massage it.

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No offense, DJ Lac, but before you write another 5 paragraphs about JKD: have you ever been to a JKD class? You have a few valid points, but most of it is totally off.

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Originally posted by DJ Lac You won't be disappointed if you took JKD.. within at least 4 months of continious training you can already take out 8 guys thats a fact.

I doubt that a JKD teacher (if you ever had one) would say something like that; i hope you don't believe this cause otherwise you're going to make a big mistake if you ever have to fight against a larger group.

In the USMC, we have MCMAP, Marine Corps Martial Arts Program. It's divided up into 5 colored belts, which 3 of the colored ones have tabs to signify instructor status. MCMAP is composed of various martial arts including Judo, Tae Kwan Do, and Karate.

I'm a Grey belt for now, working on my Green. Hopefully I will get put on the green belt instructor course so I can teach the skills I learned to the new TAN and Grey belt wearers.

TAN
GREY
GREEN
GREEN (INSTRUCTOR)
BROWN
BROWN (INSTRUCTOR)
BLACK (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6)
BLACK (MASTER)

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Originally posted by AndiH I doubt that a JKD teacher (if you ever had one) would say something like that; i hope you don't believe this cause otherwise you're going to make a big mistake if you ever have to fight against a larger group.

You're right there but it wouldn't hurt to see him try...... not for us anyway.

took shotokan karate when i was round 13 got up to purple then stopped cause of school then took tae kwon do when i was 19 got up to blue but left again cause i had moved lookin for a school to go to but i dunno which style to take im not gonna take karate again i dunno if tkd suited me an i wanna take kenjitsu (sp) but its expensive an what the hell am i gonna do with it out in the streets? so scratch that one off any ideas (oh an the whole tiger shulmans )

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Originally posted by Orbax i took aiki-jujitsu and then realized that my boxing and wrestling beat everyone there but the teacher, so i quit, cuz its bullshit** edit plus im wondering how many of you have been in fights. REAL fights, not that bullshit where you push around a bit and someone falls down. im talkin heads smashed into walls, busted knuckles ass kickings. you realize pretty quick that a fight is about 3 punches and then you are on the ground biting, and gouging eyes, and choking people.

Your 100% right here. I think a lot people learn martial arts just so if they ever get into a fight they can kick arse and I think a lot of them types of people are in for a big shock, I know so many people who have done martial arts gone off shooting their mouths off and got a complete fucking shoeing off a proper brawler.

I'm not knocking any martial arts at all I did tae kwon do up to green belt and did actually teach me to kick really fucking hard. However the proper fighting I've learnt is off my family who do boxing. When your in a proper real fight you don't have the time to try an fancy shit if you try and kick someone straight away they'll simply grab your leg and fucking break it or just put you on your arse.

I've had 100s of REAL fights in my life, and I've only ever high kicked twice (not counting booting them on the floor in stomach or the bollocks btw) and that was when the other person was in a bad state, and I now wouldn't even dream of it.

And about martial arts the one I think is handy in a bar brawl is aikido I used to work with a guy who done aikido, and he put me on my arse once and all he done was turned my wrist next thing I knew I was on the floor. However any fighting when you grab and stuff you have to be careful like just make sure you pull off whatever move you've got quick cos if anyone has grabbed hold of me trying to throw me first thing I'll do is fucking headbutt them and they won't get up from that if I connect with their nose.

I do think martial arts teach good self disapline like boxing can do sometimes and most people I know who are decent at martial arts rarely get into fights and their modest people. The guys who think their rough because they've earned a middle type belt and do martial arts who go out looking for trouble fucking get trouble I've fought quite a few people who were supposidly hard as they knew martial arts and I tell you what I fucking wiped the floor with them.

But good on you lads etc for learning something it may seem like I'm knocking but I ain't. If people learn it for self protection etc and self disapline its all good and I have respect for them because at the end of the day you will be the ones who get higher belts you will be the ones who can throw decent punches and kick correctly, however the guys who want to do it to go out get into fights etc and try and fight like Bruce Lee all I can say is embrace yourself for a really big shock and a night or a few weeks in casulty/ER.

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Originally posted by DJ Lac Gracie is still alive and the only person that can tell about who Bruce Lee was becuase he did spar against Bruce Lee.

He's certainly not the only person that can "tell about who Bruce Lee was". There are plenty of people alive who knew him and sparred with him regularly. There are still people around who fought challenge fights against him; people who knew him as personal a friend; and even people who taught him MA.
Also just because one of the Gracie's claims to have sparred with Bruce Lee, doesn't mean there's a real "link" between JKD and BJJ. I'm no expert on JKD, but I've never heard it described as a "groundfighting" style.

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Originally posted by AndiH No offense, DJ Lac, but before you write another 5 paragraphs about JKD: have you ever been to a JKD class? You have a few valid points, but most of it is totally off. I doubt that a JKD teacher (if you ever had one) would say something like that; i hope you don't believe this cause otherwise you're going to make a big mistake if you ever have to fight against a larger group.

yes as you have read my other posts I have taken it for a year privately trained.. and Aikido for 2 years

Hey am not trying to Bs everyone if I may be wrong on some points I might be rusty but what I've learned through my training is mostly how to break other art, and the experiences I've had with other JKD members that have sparred against me.

So if I did offend anyone am sorry.. but don't make this a big deal if I miss a small bit or am off on how i explain things, correct me intstead of saying oh you got a few valid points but your totally off. For me I've only trained for a year so people who have trained longer may know more then me. It's like when I was in Aikido first year I was just taught the basic moves then the second year I was taught how to use those moves to make it deadly like breaking bones and hurting someone really badly. Any art has hidden agenda because they don't want to teach you how to kill someone first. I got in trouble for using Aikido in my highschool cuz someone was fussing with me so I took his wrist and flipped him to the lockers. My Sensai was like.. Do you understand the first rule in this Dojo? He's like "You may not use your art, but only in a LIFE & DEATh situation. Back then I was a stubborn and pissed off kid cuz people like to joke around with me, and I didn't like it. So if am wrong just correct me.. am always open to knowledge

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Originally posted by astroboy He's certainly not the only person that can "tell about who Bruce Lee was". There are plenty of people alive who knew him and sparred with him regularly. There are still people around who fought challenge fights against him; people who knew him as personal a friend; and even people who taught him MA. Also just because one of the Gracie's claims to have sparred with Bruce Lee, doesn't mean there's a real "link" between JKD and BJJ. I'm no expert on JKD, but I've never heard it described as a "groundfighting" style.

Anyways about the groundfighting style, it is JKD.. It borrows same techniques as Gracies Jujitsu. Grappling, boxing, wrestling, mixed with aikido and all those other arts there are many.. But Bruce Lee would never consider it as a style..since all styles are used in some ways in JKD.. It has a blend too it, so basically my oppinion on the ground fighting. When I trained it was mostly close combat and interception.. It was groudnfighting to what I believe in since if you went against a kicker you know to keep close and grapple him down, but if its a boxer and a good grapple you know to use your kicks and stay far away or else your scrwed.. I was taught to never touch the ground when you fight.. once your on the ground it would be harder to maneuver.. your best bet is to keep the stance your in and intercept from there.

martial arts are awesome, i used to do taekwando when i was little but now i'm just gettin fat and all that...


i would love to do karate or some sort of defensive style fighting, but i don't have the motivation to devote that much time & effort into it...


there's a nice documentary on the discovery channel though about this stuff

In HD FORMAT

Interception of the fist !!!

i have participated in various Mixed Martial Arts events here in socal. I tried to participate in the Pancration tournament about 3 months back, but i was just a tad over the age limit.
I don't really have any style, althought i was in karate when i was younger. now, i'm training with a a few friends and various videos about brazillian jiu jitsu.
my favorite finish has to be the triangle. i've only been successful with it TWICE, but it's total OWNAGE.
hopefully i can make it part time such as Carlos Newton, going for a medical degree while still kickin some ass.

..Uh yeah, I'm a real he-man too. There's so much BS in this thread you need a pair of hip boots! I prefer the jungle jujitsu harem scarem kickem indeass technique of southern lowland badassem ninjakarate Chinese asian taikwandoenese. Haaaaa!

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