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Originally posted by Specimen303 Yeah, I'm afraid whats going to happen tonight. God damn immigrants in westend esbo and drums�. I hope they keep the riots in the other side of the bothnia river.

it took a finnbro to get this one.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Rejection of multiculturalism is bigotry. It's all but saying "our culture is right, and yours is wrong, so we don't want you here."

lol what fucking nonsense is this? fuck you talk shit. yeah, you can't judge or critically examine components of culture without being a bigot. you fucking moron.

Judge or critically examine parts of a culture? What part of your ass did you pull that out of. Rejecting multiculturalism is something only bigots and ignorant inbred aborigine fucks like you believe in.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Judge or critically examine parts of a culture? What part of your ass did you pull that out of. Rejecting multiculturalism is something only bigots and ignorant inbred aborigine fucks like you believe in.

There is nothing wrong with rejecting aspects of cultures you disagree with, cumrag. You�re not smart enough to make said judgements though so don�t strain your tiny brain on the topic.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN There is nothing wrong with rejecting aspects of cultures you disagree with, cumrag. You�re not smart enough to make said judgements though so don�t strain your tiny brain on the topic.

Yes there is. It's called xenophobia. Besides, Muslim culture doesn't involve any sort of terrorist act. Thinking Muslims don't belong in England isn't rejecting their culture, it's just racism.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Yes there is. It's called xenophobia.

what a load of fucking bullshit. cultures are just the historical and social manifestation of ideas. if you think all ideas are equal then you're as stupid as your tattoo.

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Originally posted by srussell0018 Besides, Muslim culture doesn't involve any sort of terrorist act. Thinking Muslims don't belong in England isn't rejecting their culture, it's just racism.

i didnt say muslim culture involved terrorism, but if you deny the link between islamic thought and terrorism, you sure haven't been paying attention in recent decades.

and since when did islam become a race exactly?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN and since when did islam become a race exactly?

Took the words right of my mouth!

Who would have thought a post like this would provoke heated debate huh?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN what a load of fucking bullshit. cultures are just the historical and social manifestation of ideas. if you think all ideas are equal then you're as stupid as your tattoo. i didnt say muslim culture involved terrorism, but if you deny the link between islamic thought and terrorism, you sure haven't been paying attention in recent decades.

It's like the 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon, but with Muslims and terrorists.

Helsinki is in Finland, Summers.

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Originally posted by Redd Helsinki is in Finland, Summers.

... Come on, dude.

What, shouldn't you be happy you learned something? Say thank you for the correction or I call the police.

six degrees of kevin bacon!

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN what a load of fucking bullshit. cultures are just the historical and social manifestation of ideas. if you think all ideas are equal then you're as stupid as your tattoo.

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Originally posted by Redd What, shouldn't you be happy you learned something? Say thank you for the correction or I call the police.

See

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Originally posted by Specimen303 Yeah, I'm afraid whats going to happen tonight. God damn immigrants in westend esbo and drums�. I hope they keep the riots in the other side of the bothnia river.

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Originally posted by Marcus Summers it took a finnbro to get this one.

Reading comprehension is not your strongest ability, is it?

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Originally posted by Marcus Summers Even Swedes are realizing this due to the riots in Helsinki (Still an ongoing chimpout)

my bad, I thought you were talking about this; http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22650267

police are at my door, I'll tell them I'm sorry too.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN what a load of fucking bullshit. cultures are just the historical and social manifestation of ideas. if you think all ideas are equal then you're as stupid as your tattoo.

Cultures are not just a manifestation of ideas, the idea of culture relativism stems from cultures being born from whatever is (perceived as) necessary for creating a cohesive society, it's not a concious process. That's why they differ across the world as conditions do as well. Trying to judge them from a completely different frame of reference is completely pointless and no good has or will ever come from it. Every single politician or opinion-maker I've seen trying their hand at it have burned their fingers with preconceived notions bordering on the delusional. The best you can ever hope to come up with is a gigantic straw man.

They're targeting the wrong enemy, because we have a different concept for situations were ideology or religion starts to override common sense, it's called fundamentalism.
Cultures will change on their own over the generations anyway if conditions call for it, which is the case for immigrants.

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i didnt say muslim culture involved terrorism, but if you deny the link between islamic thought and terrorism, you sure haven't been paying attention in recent decades. and since when did islam become a race exactly?

Since when is there being different biological human races still an established concept? The word's been redefined for years now, by the UN among others, to include any ethnic or cultural differentiation.

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Originally posted by Bierheld Cultures are not just a manifestation of ideas, the idea of culture relativism stems from cultures being born from whatever is (perceived as) necessary for creating a cohesive society, it's not a concious process.

if it isn't a conscious process then how is anything "perceived" as necessary to creating cohesive societies?

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Originally posted by Bierheld Trying to judge them from a completely different frame of reference is completely pointless and no good has or will ever come from it.

yeah, this is the kind of piss-weak faggishness that i was referring to earlier. for instance there are all kind of barbaric or disgraceful practices that exist despite them having played no part in creating that "cohesive society". but we can't criticise them as objectively wrong because what, we grew up somewhere else? fuck that shit. if you can't say "pashtun child rape" or "female genital mutilation" are wrong, then you might as well shut the fuck up and never say a word about anything, ever.

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Originally posted by Bierheld Cultures will change on their own over the generations anyway if conditions call for it,

agreed. but sometimes they need a little help from outside. capitalism normally works best.

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Originally posted by Bierheld Since when is there being different biological human races still an established concept? The word's been redefined for years now, by the UN among others, to include any ethnic or cultural differentiation.

yeah, well *i* still differentiate between religious belief and the colour of someone's skin. maybe im old fashioned that way.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN if it isn't a conscious process then how is anything "perceived" as necessary to creating cohesive societies?

It's not a concious process because it evolves and there is no single group or actor directing it. That doesn't mean it's flawless, when conditions change people will often still hold on to outdated practises because they still believe in their merit without really knowing why, that's just how people work.

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yeah, this is the kind of piss-weak faggishness that i was referring to earlier. for instance there are all kind of barbaric or disgraceful practices that exist despite them having played no part in creating that "cohesive society". but we can't criticise them as objectively wrong because what, we grew up somewhere else? fuck that shit. if you can't say "pashtun child rape" or "female genital mutilation" are wrong, then you might as well shut the fuck up and never say a word about anything, ever.

Well there is a difference between criticizing certain aspects and declaring your entire culture as superior. Even so, generally you'll be better off having a critical look at yourself or your own peoples practises.
Criticizing others is mostly a pointless endeavour, if some Muslim honcho criticizes western culture for it's inherent hedonism and misguided egalitarian practises chances are few people are going to take him seriously, so why would it work the other way around?

To some degree it's unavoidable, which is why we have human rights and international law. But it's still something to be careful about, you don't want to be misguided when creating bad will.

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agreed. but sometimes they need a little help from outside. capitalism normally works best.

Not when it's dictated upon them by foreign powers.

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yeah, well *i* still differentiate between religious belief and the colour of someone's skin. maybe im old fashioned that way.

Yeah they'd love you in the fifties.

If you strip away all of the old man grumpiness and limp wristed name calling from PKCs posts, it's pretty obvious he's not all that intelligent. Probably why he still works a low level government job when he's nearly 50.

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN lol what fucking nonsense is this? fuck you talk shit. yeah, you can't judge or critically examine components of culture without being a bigot. you fucking moron.

If I may step in to play Devil's Advocate, and try and create some order out of this terribly messy "debate", I don't really think an outright rejection of multiculturalism, expressed particularly through things like dressing up in balaclavas and rioting, is quite the same as "critically examining components of culture".

The part of srussell's argument I found slightly too bleeding-heart was this:

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Except when you forbid them from practicing their religion, you are taking away their rights.

As I understand it, the whole point of "the law" in any given country is a careful constriction of individual freedoms to within parameters the state decrees to be necessary to maintain orderly society. The specific parameters are open to debate, but this appeal to "rights" opens up a massive philosophical can of worms that just isn't addressed at all in this thread. Although really I don't why it's here at all, because this is a thread about men chopping people up with machetes and then other men rioting in reaction to that.

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Originally posted by Marcus Summers Who is forbidding them from practising their religion? And is practising their religion include murdering British citizens?

this!

SRussel you talk fucking bollocks man. i bet you'd even argue that your shit isnt brown. marcus's posts were not bigotry at all. in england we have no problem with minorities. there are 2 kinds of minorites.. those that come here to start a life of work, raising family, and adapt.... then there are those that come here to claim benefits, get a free house, not work, move all their family over here, dont bother to integrate into british society, but rather stay in close circles and preach hate, and claim racisms if they dont get their own way.
THIS is where multi culturalism dosnt work, they stamp their feet until our government caves in and give them what they want for fear of appearing racist, which leads to racial upset and the prospect of violence.

the EDL [although consisting mainly of toothless simpletons] are 100% against this and want the latter to end.

this poor soldier had his head cut off by 2 brainwashed idiots, that have the audacity to come to preach their insane religious views in a country where originally it was not welcome. and have the outright arrogance to cut a mans head off in broad daylight, then walk up to a camera and in not as many words say 'i live in your country, where my religious views were not founded, i completely disagree with your countries base religion, so i am going to cut a mans head off'.
and frankly, that is just fucking nuts!

also, id just like to point out that in no way do i support the EDL, and i am probably the least religious person alive.

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also.. the key word here is NOT muslims... its extremists

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J As I understand it, the whole point of "the law" in any given country is a careful constriction of individual freedoms to within parameters the state decrees to be necessary to maintain orderly society. The specific parameters are open to debate, but this appeal to "rights" opens up a massive philosophical can of worms that just isn't addressed at all in this thread. Although really I don't why it's here at all, because this is a thread about men chopping people up with machetes and then other men rioting in reaction to that.

Right, but chopping people up with machetes isn't part of the Muslim religion. Forbidding people from actually practicing their religion is and should be illegal, obviously providing that the practice of their religion doesn't harm anyone else. But people seem to forget the millions upon millions of Muslims who never kill anybody, and blindly associate people of Islam with terrorism and murder.

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Originally posted by [N]�k|��[Z] this! SRussel you talk fucking bollocks man. i bet you'd even argue that your shit isnt brown. marcus's posts were not bigotry at all. in england we have no problem with minorities.

Except the brown ones who wear Thobes right? "We have no problem with minorities, just the ones we don't like."

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