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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J As for the subject of voting, I consider it a complete and utter myth that it would make any difference to the introduction of such policies. This kind of thing will happen and continues to happen no matter which party or politician ends up in power, and there are far too many flaws on just about every level of the democratic system for good political policy to actually be consistently rewarded. The only merit voting has is to sustain the overall structure of democracy, whereby leaders must at least affect a pretext of caring for their people if they want to prolong their personal spasm of power. So don't worry about taking responsibility for anything, because you have no real influence anyway.

100% agreed that voting makes no difference on these policies. Which is absolutely proved by the fact that both administrations and both parties have consistently voted to expand these powers. Now, in my opinion, the reason this will just keep happening is because it is necessary and a good thing.

I disagree that voting is only important for the overall structure, though. It is hugely important in local politics and domestic affairs. If no one had voted for the Tea Party fuckheads, things would be a lot better.

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Originally posted by Lews How the fuck is this spying? Explain that to me before I waste anymore of my time replying to your insipid questions.

the government is secretly collecting information. how can this not be spying?

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange the government is secretly collecting information. how can this not be spying?

Ah, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you were mentally handicapped.

Secretly collecting information is not spying. Spying is obtaining secret/confidential/private information without consent.

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Originally posted by Lews Ah, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you were mentally handicapped. Secretly collecting information is not spying. Spying is obtaining secret/confidential/private information without consent.

the NSA secretly collected confidential/private metadata/logs without the consent or knowledge of the cell phone customers. how the fuck is this not spying?

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange the NSA secretly collected confidential/private metadata/logs without the consent or knowledge of the cell phone customers. how the fuck is this not spying?

They have no idea whose data it is. They're just collecting all metadata. To actually connect it to a person requires a warrant. Then it becomes spying - and legal.

You do realize they're not listening to your calls or reading your texts, right? All they're doing is seeing what numbers called what other numbers, and saving that data, in case they need it later.

i just want to encourage everyone who's even remotely interested in this topic, to read the wiki article on the fourth amendment.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four...es_Constitution

There are a lot of scholarly sources out there but it will give anyone a general idea.


Sorry I got sidetracked on whether its spying or not. The issue is whether the broad searches violate the fourth amendment. Given my limited knowledge, I believe that they do.

Moreover, i think the NSA, in this instance, is a solution looking for a problem.

Finally, I think this is a part of a larger problem, that being, the military industrial complex President Eisenhower warned us about.

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Originally posted by Lews They have no idea whose data it is. They're just collecting all metadata. To actually connect it to a person requires a warrant. Then it becomes spying - and legal. You do realize they're not listening to your calls or reading your texts, right? All they're doing is seeing what numbers called what other numbers, and saving that data, in case they need it later.

If they have the number the calls are from then they know who said what.
How else would they be able to connect the data to the potential terrorists?

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Originally posted by saluyamo If they have the number the calls are from then they know who said what. How else would they be able to connect the data to the potential terrorists?

They aren't listening to the calls at all.

Furthermore here is a funny picture of me to derail this thread.

le epic photo

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange i just want to encourage everyone who's even remotely interested in this topic, to read the wiki article on the fourth amendment. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four...es_Constitution There are a lot of scholarly sources out there but it will give anyone a general idea. Sorry I got sidetracked on whether its spying or not. The issue is whether the broad searches violate the fourth amendment. Given my limited knowledge, I believe that they do. Moreover, i think the NSA, in this instance, is a solution looking for a problem. Finally, I think this is a part of a larger problem, that being, the military industrial complex President Eisenhower warned us about.

So, to summarize, you have no idea what's going on, and are freaking out about nothing.

Your fourth amendment rights are not being violated. Please actually read facts before you freak out. Thanks.

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Originally posted by saluyamo If they have the number the calls are from then they know who said what. How else would they be able to connect the data to the potential terrorists?

If they know who the number is connected to. Which they need a warrant for.

Next.

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Originally posted by Spacey Orange i just want to encourage everyone who's even remotely interested in this topic, to read the wiki article on the fourth amendment. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four...es_Constitution There are a lot of scholarly sources out there but it will give anyone a general idea. Sorry I got sidetracked on whether its spying or not. The issue is whether the broad searches violate the fourth amendment. Given my limited knowledge, I believe that they do. Moreover, i think the NSA, in this instance, is a solution looking for a problem. Finally, I think this is a part of a larger problem, that being, the military industrial complex President Eisenhower warned us about.

the easiest way for you to grasp the state of your own paranoia, is to go live overseas for a while. the US makes some people really fucken crazy. i mean, they have to be fucking stupid to begin with obviously, but it can be all down-hill from there.

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Originally posted by Lews If they know who the number is connected to. Which they need a warrant for. Next.

in today's modern times surely they can just search the phonebook for matches, no warrant required?

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Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN in today's modern times surely they can just search the phonebook for matches, no warrant required?

1) Cellphones aren't in phonebooks.

2) Omg are you telling me the government is looking at public records omg spying omg im retarded omg omg omg omg omg

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Originally posted by FuzzQi le epic photo

I'm glad I can make myself laugh haha.... Ahhh...

Spacey Orange, you should know better then to question things. That makes you retarded. If you don't want to be retarded any longer, just accept everything that's happening around you without giving it a second thought. You will then be all knowing and can tell other, still retarded people on forums how stupid they are when they can't see the obvious; Secretly collecting information isn't the same thing as spying.

Yeah. What this guys said.

Yeah. What that guy said.

Seriously though, if you think the concept of "digital privacy" (whatever that is supposed to mean), was ever actually a thing, you're deluding yourself.

IMPEACHMENT IMMINENT

Spacey Orange, I salute you, don't listen to these idiots. They all voted for Barry in the first place.

Who's the idiot now?! Lol

2016 is upon us!

The libertardian zerg rush and the invasion of the paulbots is well underway on reddit...

Had this fun little convo this morning: [[ LINK REMOVED ]]


I don't think that guy is actually pro-choice. Such fucking slimeballs.

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Originally posted by Joss Weatherby They aren't listening to the calls at all. Furthermore here is a funny picture of me to derail this thread. [img]http://www.imgur.com/PGUfxDu.jpeg[img]

Omg, computer information systems function on the basis that all actions and interactions are basically logged, at some level?

Blasphemy.

Will be interesting to see what happens to Booz Allen, now. Such a big company, it would be insane for the government to stop working with them, but also somewhat logical.

God damn contractors running everything these days.

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