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This should be interesting to hear, Jack... funny you mention Deus Ex since I've been thinking about putting a track from the game in my mix...

You were right, Jack, even if our styles are remotely similar (might be a stretch), we will be executing these totally different. I clicked through it and look forward to a full listen.

I will be recording mine tonight.

Okay so i listened to psyshell's mix.

Now, this is the first theme mix so far that consists solely of stomping rave music with very abstract atmospheres if at all present. It'll be interesting to see how many people get a clear science fiction theme out of this because i honestly didn't get any of that apart from one track that is actually titled as such and has a single vocal snippet that exclaims it. Personally i feel this is a bit of a missed opportunity, some better track selection or even a cheesy sample here and there could have really helped in this regard. It should have been clear right from the beginning what this was about.

As for the mix itself, I disliked pretty much everything about it unfortunately. The mixing itself felt like a giant mess, lot's of dodgy layering which tends to end up in straight on fader slamming anyway, so why even bother.
This wasn't the real problem however, the first 50 or so minutes of the mix were filled with completely unambitious template style psytrance. The track at 55 minutes is the only one i actually liked. The structure and track selection were lacking even the slightest hint of creativity and there wasn't a single moment were i felt the DJ was really taking control of the action, it just goes on doing the same thing from the beginning until moments before the end.

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Originally posted by ziptnf You were right, Jack, even if our styles are remotely similar (might be a stretch), we will be executing these totally different. I clicked through it and look forward to a full listen.

So have we gone for a similar concept in the end? I didn't think I'd be the only one to go for something cyberpunk-themed.

Also: it might be worth PM'ing those guys who signed up but haven't posted in this thread since the theme was decided.

As for Psyshell's mix, I listened to about half of it last night and I'm listening to the rest right now. I agree that the science fiction connection is pretty vague, although goa trance is inevitably pretty kosmiche. Most of the tracks selected seem to have the endless-flowing-acid structure rather than the more melodic and song-structured goa you'd hear, say, Oakenfold play, which does aid the creation of a spaced-out journey. The flow of the mix is fine, it just keeps things moving smoothly which is all you can really do with this material. Some of the tracks used have dated badly and sound particularly naff today (Over The Moon is a notable offender) but some still retain their psychotropic charm, the Plaeidians track in particular.

The mixing was... odd, but it's pretty harsh to say it's a "giant mess", especially as this kind of material is very unforgiving for DJs. Harmonically things worked together pretty well, and quite a few of the transitions were well-placed. The mixing style is pretty weird though - just about every single track seems to start at almost full volume perfectly on the beat, which strongly indicates digital mixing, probably in studio mode. However there was none of the polish of a digital mix. Some fairly jarring slams are audible, and then there's the levels. My God man, the levels! You need to learn how to EQ. There are some massive volume changes that are clearly visible on the SC waveform, which is sheer laziness if this mix was put together as I suspect. Some of the tracks had watery, non-existent bottom ends and then others kicked much harder. It's just sloppy.

It honestly sounds like me and you have fairly different tastes. With that said, I'd be interested in hearing an example of a goa trance mix (preferably with goa trance from 94-98ish) that is "creative" and not "unambigious template style psytrance". Psytrance does tend to be rather in your face and not very ambigous. Especially earlier stuff. I based the mix on a few oldschool goa mixes I'd heard over the years, and also the style of mixing in distance to goa 4 disc 2 (and distance to goa 3 disc 2) which tended to have very rough mixing. In terms of the theme, it was left open to interpretation. I originally started with deciding to include both Psychaos - Science Fiction and Etnica - Vimana in the mix and structured it around that. After a while it became obvious that Etnica - Vimana was too techy and wouldn't really fit in with the rest of the mix. Even if the mix went in a somewhat tech direction towards the end, vimana simply isn't as maximal as the early tracks and I don't really think maximal-minimal is a good progression to have over the course of a mix. At least I don't think it would've worked in this case. The theme also determined the mood of the tracks I used towards the end with IMO them getting a gradually darker and more spacey feel(up to the pigs in space track). As for the creativity of the mix, I do kind've feel that if you view all the tracks as "boring template psytrance" than you're not going to be feeling the same emotions from the tracks as I am so it's pretty hard to compare. I definitely chose quite a few "fairly obvious classics" but I chose them carefully based on mood and I don't feel like the mood of the mix was either random or bog standard. There's always room for improvement in that department though. Thanks for the feeback anyway though, but it does seem that we have quite different tastes.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Some of the tracks used have dated badly and sound particularly naff today (Over The Moon is a notable offender) but some still retain their psychotropic charm, the Plaeidians track in particular.

On that I definitely agree.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J My God man, the levels! You need to learn how to EQ. There are some massive volume changes that are clearly visible on the SC waveform, which is sheer laziness if this mix was put together as I suspect. Some of the tracks had watery, non-existent bottom ends and then others kicked much harder. It's just sloppy.

I was actually thinking something along those lines. That if I was to do another mix of material from that era that I'd really need to learn a little about mastering. I really don't think it's as simple as an EQ job though. A 4 knob EQ isn't going to fix tracks having certain things like "waterey" basslines. I feel like if I was to do some stuff from this era again I'd want to make careful use of a compressor, make up gain and several fairly customisable EQs. In some cases it might not even be able to be fixed. If I've got punchey mid heavey kicks on either side of a track and the track has a melody that's supposed to be quite queite then significantly altering the kick would alter the rest of the track as well. I feel like I definitely should've used a compressor and gain to equalise (some) of the tracks. Pretty much the only track that holds up to modern sound standards would be the Pleaidians one imo.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J The mixing was... odd, but it's pretty harsh to say it's a "giant mess", especially as this kind of material is very unforgiving for DJs.

Again as I mentioned above, I based it on the distance to goa 3/4 disc 2 sets which have fairly harsh mixing. This might not have been optimal though, and honestly after listening to the same tracks repeatedly 7+ times it's pretty hard to listen to it with the same attitude/perspective as a listener. I'll need to hear what others say and also listen to it myself in a couple of weeks time. Ideally I'll need to listen to a fair few mixes that mix the same kind've music both harshly or more traditionally to compare and then decide which is best or in which situations either is superior.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J which strongly indicates digital mixing, probably in studio mode.

I have no idea what studio mode is but the tracks were triggered manually but with sync in traktor on.

I do however notice there's no complaints (so far) about the positioning of the tempo rises which is interesting. I feel like when they're well positioned in a particularly driving track they can really add to the energy of a mix. In some styles they might even be nearly as important as the key of a song.

Also, thanks for being civil. I'm still a bit annoyed about some of the things you said in my last mix thread but I guess that's not important now.

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Some goa trance page on facebook just shared my mix and described it as "The first of two new mixes I'll be posting this morning, this particular sonic tapestry woven by Psyshell consists of some tasty melodic well-known numbers mixed up all nice and tight like.". Obviously that's a bit of spin, but they seemed to view (presumably?) the mixing as tight. So I dunno who to believe about whether harsh mixing was ok or not. EQ, compression and gain is definitely an issue though.

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Originally posted by Psyshell It honestly sounds like me and you have fairly different tastes.

Well that much is obvious I almost felt like adding a disclaimer at the end regarding me not being a fan of the sound in general but i always feel like that I'm sort of cheating myself when i do that. As far of as the music style in use here goes, my description of "unambitious template music" seems pretty far off knowing what i do know, i honestly barely even looked at the tracklist and didn't realize how old these tracks actually are. So I'll throw my hands up there, my bad. I assumed this was just another random mix-up of thrown together lowest denominator dance music. I'm pretty adamant when calling these things as i consider myself an extremely mercurial listener and don't believe there are genres that just don't vibe with me at all unless they aren't done right. This is always a subjective matter though so i don't assume such a stance will always go unchallenged.

As far as the mixing goes, I guess I didn't suitably explain that I didn't really have a problem with it, which I did mean to mention but it came out as "this wasn't the biggest problem", presuming it was at least a problem of significance. I do however feel that you shouldn't layer the beats of the following track at all if it doesn't sound right, although as system J alluded to it's probably more a problem with the levels and EQ'ing. I don't care if the mix itself is rough so long as the flow is good and the tracks complement each other in some regard, and flowwise there's really nothing wrong with this mix apart from it being unambitious. The reason i deemed it a giant mess, is because the problems kept occurring throughout rather then being occasional, and i usually believe the DJ has a certain responsibility in modifying his track selection to counter some of these problems. However again this was by no means a deal breaker for me and i do actually think that a lot of the cue points were quite well chosen besides that. I was a bit torn with that statement anyway as i do realize this sort of music is a nightmare to mix, but there is a case to be made for it regardless.

I think the root of the problem here is just a difference in vision, i personally don't feel that sentimental about old music anymore and believe music like this, well.. It is what it is and it's obvious a lot of people still think it has a certain charm to it, but i just don't get that anymore. I don't find it an appealing listen, i think you can find tons of modern music that still keeps that spirit but goes a lot further in making a more appealing mixture of sounds. Besides that i think you can pay a much more respectable homage to those tracks by using them in new and interesting ways rather then trying to copy what's been done with them countless times before.

I mean �harsh� in the sense it�s unfair on you, not that your mixing style is harsh. I can see your point in that some of these tracks are just badly produced and EQing won�t fix that, but when you know the incoming track has a much heavier bottom end you can at least increase/decrease the bass or volume gradually so the contrast isn�t so marked. In just about every transition on your mix it�s clearly audible when you introduce the first beat of the incoming track, and when that incoming track is much louder/bassier than the outgoing one it sounds really obvious, and at certain points here leads to some big volume jumps. You should adjust the master gain for the new channel before mixing in so both tracks are at roughly the same volume. If you mixed this set live in a club you�d burst people�s eardrums with some of these transitions. I�ve heard it happen live and it�s physically painful.

These are mainly technical aspects you can work on. Your cueing is very sharp, because I didn�t hear you have to correct any of the transitions, and your cue points are fairly well chosen for the most part. Again, psy and goa don�t really lend themselves to fantastically smooth mixing so I�m not going to expect silky DJing skills. That said, psy DJs are unquestionably the worst in dance music when it comes to technical skills, so I�d expect a goa trance fanpage to have a somewhat different standard of smooth mixing to people on this forum.

Also regarding the nature of goa/psytrance and it's ties to the theme, which i think is an interesting discussion onto itself and I'm curious to hear psyshell's thoughts about it.

What i think psytrance and psychedelic-focussed music in general is is a tie-in to the the unexplored boundaries of the human mind itself. Science fiction is by nature a fantasy grounded in reality, which is why the issue is often side-stepped by setting the narrative in the future rather then the past as is common in regular fantasy. It is based on what we don't know, and the past is something we have a rather good idea about. A psychedelic narrative meanwhile is not bound by chronology at all and explores the relation between the human mind and the cosmos, the observable reality versus timeless interconnected infinity. It is as such something that's far removed from reality by nature, it describes the process of leaving it altogether. Besides that a psychedelic depiction of "space" is nothing like a scientific one.

This is why i feel you need something extra to steer music like that in a sci-fi direction. Because yes it can just be an alien bunch of sounds to someone if set up that way. But it isn't automatically so.

Psychedelic themes can definitely be about exploring the boundaries of what's possible and the future generally. In the case of psytrance I haven't heard any tracks with quotes that talk about the past at all (with the exception of maybe aliens planting their dna in us, which is a sci fi thing anyway). At least not past 100 years ago so I'm not sure the chronology bit really applies. Also I can't really agree with your statement about sci fi being a lot closer to nature than psychedelic themes are. If you think of it from the perspective of the quote "When technology becomes sufficiently advanced it becomes like magic" then perhaps what the music is attempting to convey is a future so far advanced or a reality so different to what we currently understand* that it feels very abstract and alien by our standards.

There's definitely some psy out there that conveys that mood a lot better than my mix. Still though, I feel as though the mood of my mix was at least partially involving thoughts of the future, technology and it's possibilities. Most tracks have an overall spacey mood with in particular "party droid" conjuring images of a high energy fun but weird dancing droid (maybe that'll be the role of r2d2 in episode 7), as well as "science fiction" being presumably more about the enjoyment of science fiction rather than a particular sci fi concept. "Pulsar Glitch", "Solar", "Deep Space 5D" and "Taygeta" are also all about space or space themes. Obviously while space itself isn't technically sci fi, it seems like the tracks are more about the exploration and habitation of space and not so much about the pure physical aspects. I wish I had a bit more insight to give, but that's my thoughts on the subject.

*We could after all be in a matrix, or there might be very different civilizations and physics just outside the known universe

On a side note, that does make me think of an interesting idea for a theme of a mix. Conveying the emotion that you'd feel in a bizarre and hard to understand but consistent future/alien society. The first thing that comes to mind is extremely abrasive head through a straw darkpsy though. Which probably won't be your kind've thing

The next mix I make will almost certainly be prog or full on however. Unfortunately almost all the sets that are played out (especially at shorter/club events) are of those styles so I need to practice and get good if I want to get any gigs, which I'm definitely aspiring to do.

[edit] Also it's worth pointing out there's different levels of psychedelic experience. Not every time is a hyperspace infinite universe death trip. There's certainly thinking for 10 hours straight "wouldn't it be cool if in the future we could... or alternatively, society should be x way for x reason" which are both sci fi themes.

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Originally posted by Psyshell Psychedelic themes can definitely be about exploring the boundaries of what's possible and the future generally. In the case of psytrance I haven't heard any tracks with quotes that talk about the past at all (with the exception of maybe aliens planting their dna in us, which is a sci fi thing anyway). At least not past 100 years ago so I'm not sure the chronology bit really applies. Also I can't really agree with your statement about sci fi being a lot closer to nature than psychedelic themes are. If you think of it from the perspective of the quote "When technology becomes sufficiently advanced it becomes like magic" then perhaps what the music is attempting to convey is a future so far advanced or a reality so different to what we currently understand* that it feels very abstract and alien by our standards. There's definitely some psy out there that conveys that mood a lot better than my mix. Still though, I feel as though the mood of my mix was at least partially involving thoughts of the future, technology and it's possibilities. Most tracks have an overall spacey mood with in particular "party droid" conjuring images of a high energy fun but weird dancing droid (maybe that'll be the role of r2d2 in episode 7), as well as "science fiction" being presumably more about the enjoyment of science fiction rather than a particular sci fi concept. "Pulsar Glitch", "Solar", "Deep Space 5D" and "Taygeta" are also all about space or space themes. Obviously while space itself isn't technically sci fi, it seems like the tracks are more about the exploration and habitation of space and not so much about the pure physical aspects. I wish I had a bit more insight to give, but that's my thoughts on the subject. *We could after all be in a matrix, or there might be very different civilizations and physics just outside the known universe On a side note, that does make me think of an interesting idea for a theme of a mix. Conveying the emotion that you'd feel in a bizarre and hard to understand but consistent future/alien society. The first thing that comes to mind is extremely abrasive head through a straw darkpsy though. Which probably won't be your kind've thing The next mix I make will almost certainly be prog or full on however. Unfortunately almost all the sets that are played out (especially at shorter/club events) are of those styles so I need to practice and get good if I want to get any gigs, which I'm definitely aspiring to do. [edit] Also it's worth pointing out there's different levels of psychedelic experience. Not every time is a hyperspace infinite universe death trip. There's certainly thinking for 10 hours straight "wouldn't it be cool if in the future we could... or alternatively, society should be x way for x reason" which are both sci fi themes.

The last one is an interesting note, hadn't really thought of it that way. When I'm on psychedelics my thoughts tend to center around the now and the past, the ego and the immediate surroundings, how i fit in there and how I've come to be that way. But never the distant future. Obviously it's always going to be a very personal experience and judging by the chosen track titles in your mix it may as well be a very different experience that these guys are trying to portray.

With the chronology bit I'm alluding to the nature of psychedelic experiences and how they play with your perception of time. How the flow of it gets interrupted and past, present and future events can blend together. Psytrance uses this effect heavily.

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What i think psytrance and psychedelic-focussed music in general is is a tie-in to the the unexplored boundaries of the human mind itself. Science fiction is by nature a fantasy grounded in reality, which is why the issue is often side-stepped by setting the narrative in the future rather then the past as is common in regular fantasy. It is based on what we don't know, and the past is something we have a rather good idea about. A psychedelic narrative meanwhile is not bound by chronology at all and explores the relation between the human mind and the cosmos, the observable reality versus timeless interconnected infinity. It is as such something that's far removed from reality by nature, it describes the process of leaving it altogether. Besides that a psychedelic depiction of "space" is nothing like a scientific one.

Well, if I may get academic and geeky on this subject, sci-fi is less fantasy grounded in reality than it is fantasy grounded in logic. Neither genre actually takes place in our own universe but alternate realities identified by what are called �points of departure� from reality � recognisable aspects of the setting which do not or cannot exist in our reality, whether it�s dragons and orcs or aliens and light speed. It�s perfectly possible for science fiction to be based in the past (take the �ancient aliens� narratives or Harry Harrison�s �West Of Eden�), or for fantasy to be set in the future (the post-apocalyptic steampunk of Michael Moorcock�s �Hawkmoon� novels, for example). Chronology is less important than the discourse that surrounds the points of departure.

In any case, psychedelic trance has always collided sci-fi imagery with mystical Eastern shtick. You only have to look at the artist and track titles in Psyshell�s tracklist to see that. Aliens and alien abductions seem to be a particularly fond metaphor for being wrenched out of reality and taken on a mind-bending trip. I would agree that using sci-fi as a pretext to just mix an old-school goa set isn�t particularly imaginative and the mix title and artwork are pretty tenuously linked to the theme, but as I noted he�s at least selected predominantly spacey cuts rather than tracks full of psychonaut evangelist blather or Perfecto Fluoro riffs.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Well, if I may get academic and geeky on this subject, sci-fi is less fantasy grounded in reality than it is fantasy grounded in logic. Neither genre actually takes place in our own universe but alternate realities identified by what are called �points of departure� from reality � recognisable aspects of the setting which do not or cannot exist in our reality, whether it�s dragons and orcs or aliens and light speed. It�s perfectly possible for science fiction to be based in the past (take the �ancient aliens� narratives or Harry Harrison�s �West Of Eden�), or for fantasy to be set in the future (the post-apocalyptic steampunk of Michael Moorcock�s �Hawkmoon� novels, for example). Chronology is less important than the discourse that surrounds the points of departure.

I don't dispute that. The myths and folklore fantasy likes to base itself around are generally things we know don't exist, whereas sci-fi tropes like aliens and (apparent) faster than light travel are still popular subjects of debate in scientific circles, which i think is the main difference.
Alternate realities are basically a given within fiction of this kind, but I'm guessing people that are into sci-fi are there because they like the plausibility of it, as the movement is mainly based on imagination sparked by scientific discoveries.
Chronology helps in that regard because it's a lot harder to believe something that's supposed to have happened already especially if humans are involved, but it's definitely possible to work around the issue.

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In any case, psychedelic trance has always collided sci-fi imagery with mystical Eastern shtick. You only have to look at the artist and track titles in Psyshell�s tracklist to see that. Aliens and alien abductions seem to be a particularly fond metaphor for being wrenched out of reality and taken on a mind-bending trip. I would agree that using sci-fi as a pretext to just mix an old-school goa set isn�t particularly imaginative and the mix title and artwork are pretty tenuously linked to the theme, but as I noted he�s at least selected predominantly spacey cuts rather than tracks full of psychonaut evangelist blather or Perfecto Fluoro riffs.

I don't blame him for picking this kind of music at all, but obviously the perception of it is tied to the listener who can have a very different interpretation then the artist who made the song in the first place.
I'm just trying to get to the bottom of this by asking people if they can rationalize the connection.

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Originally posted by Bierheld Chronology helps in that regard because it's a lot harder to believe something that's supposed to have happened already especially if humans are involved, but it's definitely possible to work around the issue.

I don't wish to bog the thread down in this discussion but your point seems fairly tenuous to me. Yes, SF generally takes place in the future rather than the past, because the future is a more plausible setting for the hyper-advanced technology that facilitates imaginative "points of departure", but that isn't particularly relevant to chronology. You're talking about psychedelics influencing perceptions of time, which in fiction would be more an issue of narrative arrangement and the use of techniques like prolepsis and analepsis than the actual setting. There are plenty of sci-fi books/films/comics/etc. with non-linear narratives, with drug use, unreliable narrators, time-travel and other aspects that would allow the storyteller to fuck with perceptions of time or reality. An excellent example would be Ian M Banks' brilliant novel "Use Of Weapons" where alternate chapters move forward and backward in time, so one story thread moves towards a climax in the future and the other moves backwards to a revelation in the past, the two moments arriving at exactly the same point in the story to deliver one of the biggest head-fucks I've ever read. That story is set in the distant future and predominantly in outer space.

I agree to some extent that psy-fi is self-contradictory, but only because science fiction is generally distinguished by its logical treatment of fantastical aspects, whereas hallucinogens radically warp the subject's capacity for clear logic and causality.

I have limited BW @ home (4GLTE) and have been out sick the past few days, I am downloading both mixes now and will report back in a few days with how terrible they are (JK! )

Sad to see people dropping out so early!



e: VVV no worries guys, I know! Just a joke (I guess I could have worded it better) I'm sure they're both going to be great and I'll do my best to touch on the good and bad

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Originally posted by jonmitz I have limited BW @ home (4GLTE) and have been out sick the past few days, I am downloading both mixes now and will report back in a few days with how terrible they are (JK! )

Just to be clear, I don't think your mix is terrible by any means. The second half nails the concept and the first half is interesting and unusual. The two parts just don't really make sense together for me.

Neither do I for that matter. I'm very adamant in arguing these things and I often tend to lose focus on the big picture and important nuances, I'm just get a little sore when I see a lot of potential that I feel gets wasted or handled poorly. As much as I don't agree with the way the first half is laid out I will say that it was ambitious, provocative and contained some very good music and mixing. I don't regret having to listen to it and I will gladly do so again at some point, I'm no stranger when it comes to masochism anyway

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I would agree that using sci-fi as a pretext to just mix an old-school goa set isn�t particularly imaginative and the mix title and artwork are pretty tenuously linked to the theme, but as I noted he�s at least selected predominantly spacey cuts rather than tracks full of psychonaut evangelist blather or Perfecto Fluoro riffs.

No doubt about that. The theme's influence on the mix is more of a seed of where to begin and a light to moderate influence overall. Also, there's no artwork that's supposed to go with this mix, there's only the one for my other mix and my avatar on soundcloud. You must be thinking of one of them.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J I agree to some extent that psy-fi is self-contradictory,

Just because it's psy trance doesn't mean it's got a hallucinatory theme. People write music about things that inspire them, they definitely could've had the idea for a track while thinking about a sci fi movie or the technological possibilities of the future. While almost every track has a very "hallucinatory" aesthetic (with abstract sounds, lots of reverb etc) that's more to do with general trends in the music and people basing how their music sounds on what other tracks sound like rather than a deliberate theme for each individual track. I don't really agree that sci fi has to be firmly logical either. There's varying degrees, obviously it's going to be more realistic than cutesy big eared goblins fantasy but a book or movie that's a bit weird and unrealistic and whose main focus is exploring a somewhat dystopian future is still sci fi. Something like a scannar darkly perhaps.

Ziptnf - Encrypted Universe [psychedelic drum & bass/neurofunk]

The last time I attempted to make a mix of psychedelic drum & bass, it was a little all over the place. While there were a few great tracks, the mix had next to no flow, and the variety was far too much to be considered a legitimate representation of such a rare style. The theme of science fiction allowed me to mix neurofunk into this set, and the spacey sounds fit perfectly with what I was trying to do.

Lots of energy and interesting music here. Enjoy!

Cybernetika - Devoid of Gravity [Ektoplazm]
Lumin Essence - Phobos [Genome]
Cybernetika - Hayashis Journey [Ektoplazm]
Xenofish - Sanctus [Ektoplazm]
Xenofish - Arashi [Ektoplazm]
Axi - Mayan Temple [Mindtech]
Dementia & Dephas8 - Surrounded [Mindtech]
Black Sun Empire - Don't You (State of Mind Remix) [Blackout]
Myselor - Reality [Full Force]
Optiv & BTK - Tapout [Dispatch]
Black Sun Empire - Fever (Chris.SU Remix) [Blackout]
Unknown Artist - Still Alive (VIP Mix) [Fokuz]



Download:
Ziptnf - Encrypted Universe (1:07:47) 156MB ~320kbps

Image credit to nellieanger.

That looks fucking heavy, Zip. I already know the intro is going to be massive. I can see now why you were a little worried I�d be treading on your toes, but it�s worked out well in the end. It's almost like my mix is the atmospheric cult classic and yours is the SFX-heavy blockbuster sequel.

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There's varying degrees, obviously it's going to be more realistic than cutesy big eared goblins fantasy but a book or movie that's a bit weird and unrealistic and whose main focus is exploring a somewhat dystopian future is still sci fi. Something like a scannar darkly perhaps.

Philip K Dick is a perfect example of what I mentioned before � his stories are full of unreliable narrators in the grip of paranoia, drug use or mental instability, but there�s a subtle difference between realistic and logical. There's some tripped out SF or badly-constructed illogical gibberish (see: Prometheus) but the idea of SF is it still goes "if A then B", it's just A is for Aliens.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J It's almost like my mix is the atmospheric cult classic and yours is the SFX-heavy blockbuster sequel.

So... Robocop 1987 and Robocop 2014?

I was thinking more Terminator 1 and 2.

Hell yeah. Or Alien and Aliens.

Nix my last remark, I may still have time to get mine done.

Ooooh, this is exciting. I'll try to listen to all of the mixes. Starting n.o.w.

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