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one is not better than the other
it's like comparing apples to oranges
one is analoge and one is digital
now if we were comparing cassette tapes to vinyl or minidiscs to cds, then there's a valid arguement
you really can't compare an analoge medium to a digital one
both have their weaknesses and strengths

like i said, and will say again
it's all just a matter of personal preference

now if we can just stop bickering like little kids and grow up

yeah somebody close the thread.....

FACTS:

1) CD's weigh less
this makes them easier to transport and you can carry more with you.

CD's are smaller
same as above, transportation, storage etc.

CD's have a larger capacity
ive got maxi's like rapture with 3 edits and 9 mixes on. how many vinyl would you need to accomodate that?

CD's are cheaper
maxi cd's are £3.50 like the rapture one. to buy all them mixes on vinyl would cost 4-5 times as much as that. cd singles are £3 brand new.

CD's dont wear with play
If you look after your cd's they will last forever. they come in plastic cases, so sleeves dont wear either.

CD's can be written
while all you vinyl lovers paid £100+ for the ayu m e.p. i copied the vinyl to perfect wav, burned the cd and hey, i sold the vinyl for a nice £120, and im still using the CD today

CD's can have looping
you can have seamless loping for longer outro's etc to make mixes sounds smoother and fluent.

CD's dont jump, skip
if youve not got bottom of the range equipment, they dont jump.

CD's arnt rice crispies
they dont go snap crackle and pop

CD's are easier to manipulate
any digital source is

CD's are undistinguishable from vinyl
you cant tell the difference when there being played. I bet none of you noticed for the last year tiesto has been playing Voyage, Cafe Del Mar etc etc on CD. YOU CANT TELL!!

CD's are ideal for Trance
trance music dosent require scratching, even if it did, modern digital turn tables can reproduce the sound 100% accurately without actually scratching the platter.

CD's & digital turntable are the begginging of the end for vinyl lovers

CD's can contain ur own tracks
unless you own your own vinyl cutter, only cd's can be easily made.


classic quote from a recent interview....

"What advantages does the CD medium have over traditional vinyl?"

"CD is going to become more dominant on the turntablism side. If you come with two traditional turntables and play, that's great; I respect the skill it takes to be a true vinyl turntablist. But now that you can do 99 percent of that on a CD — plus the seamless looping, flash points, sampling and have all these effects built-in — you'll be coming to the fight with a knife, and I'll be bringing a gun."

lol, passionate or what

Come On Guys!

I am a music lover and like the rest of the people here I do party whenever i can coz the sheer energy that u get of being in a club listening to LOUD music is more exciting then anything else in the world. The music, the sound, the whole atmosphere of being in a club and having fun with ur friends, It just takes u on a different level with a high thats indescribable..Guys when im in a club like most other people i go there for the MUSIC! Not becuase the dj is mixing with a CD or a VINYL...thats the last thing on my mind! I dont go to a club if a dj is mixing with a cd and i dont go to a club if a dj is mixing with vinyl! i go coz i WANT to! Ive heard djs mix with cd's that where amazing and ive heard djs mix with turn tables which were just as good! but u know what ive cheered both of em like there was no differance, When a dj plays a song which u like to listen to, U respect him n dance like thers no tomorrow! that for YOU is the bestest thing in the world and that for HIM is the bestest feeling in the world, coz making so many people dance is no joke! Not everyone can be a DJ, thats why they are so special people! for me it dosent make a difference what they r playing a Cd or a VINYL... as long as thers good music..IM GONNA BE THERE DANCING! lol so quit this argument on a good note, GO OUT N PARTY!!! lol
cheers from india!
zoheb!

q:What is the biggest,warmest,oldese and clearest of them all?
a:VINYL!

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Originally posted by Nell classic quote from a recent interview.... "What advantages does the CD medium have over traditional vinyl?" "CD is going to become more dominant on the turntablism side. If you come with two traditional turntables and play, that's great; I respect the skill it takes to be a true vinyl turntablist. But now that you can do 99 percent of that on a CD — plus the seamless looping, flash points, sampling and have all these effects built-in — you'll be coming to the fight with a knife, and I'll be bringing a gun."

Well, that about sums it up, ladies and gents...

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Originally posted by Nell "What advantages does the CD medium have over traditional vinyl?" "CD is going to become more dominant on the turntablism side. If you come with two traditional turntables and play, that's great; I respect the skill it takes to be a true vinyl turntablist. But now that you can do 99 percent of that on a CD — plus the seamless looping, flash points, sampling and have all these effects built-in — you'll be coming to the fight with a knife, and I'll be bringing a gun."

I've followed the whole discussion, and I am planning on buying 2 cd-decks or 2 phono's, but I don't know which one yet. So basically you say that cd's have a better sound quality, but the best songs(and mostly by unknown artists) come out on vinyl and not on cd don't they?

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Originally posted by Mister_Michel I've followed the whole discussion, and I am planning on buying 2 cd-decks or 2 phono's, but I don't know which one yet. So basically you say that cd's have a better sound quality, but the best songs(and mostly by unknown artists) come out on vinyl and not on cd don't they?

Well, if you had been following the whole discussion, you would know that VINYL has better sound quality (currently) but cds will mintain cd quality indefintely, where as vinyl degrades in quality over time.

There are plenty of tracks on both vinyl and cd, you just have to know where to find them. www.gemm.com is a great search tool for both mediums. My personal take on it, and this is what I also do at home, is spin with cds and get a TT on the side. This way you can get the benifits of not eroding your music collection evertime you spin or having to worry about people stealing your tracks either. You can edit/manipulate the tracks before you burn them to cd also. (like standardizing the BPM or starting the track on the first bass beat etc) But with also having a TT, you never eliminate any possible source of music, for one. Secondly, you can learn to spin on both mediums so that you make yourself a more versital dj.

you know what i thinkkk?

i think it just depends on how rich you are...well..let say a so not rich guy..he/she would of course go for the cdj because in the future..is cheaper.

well i dont know...just my opinion

oh yes and plus..its all about the skills and selection of tracks
the two basic things that a dj needs

id say stick with vinyl.. the original way. dont you think sO>?

I dont understand peopl ewho say CD sucks. Ofcourse Vinyl shows more class and flare, but lets face it, its much better to have CD. Though I use Vinyl

DJ

Hi, mixing with vinyls is better, but the pioneer cd mix is not bad!
Mixing with your PC (mixmeister and so on) is VERY bad, I think... That's not the reality!

Flesch- Thanks for your informational posts.

Personally, I am just beginning to understand the world of DJ'ing, mixing and which way i want to go with it.

Your post taught me about how it was, how it is, and what the prepare and look for in the future. It helped a lot on shaping my decisions on what equipment to get, etc.

THought that needed to be said...

Pete

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Originally posted by AcerRacer Flesch- Thanks for your informational posts. Personally, I am just beginning to understand the world of DJ'ing, mixing and which way i want to go with it. Your post taught me about how it was, how it is, and what the prepare and look for in the future. It helped a lot on shaping my decisions on what equipment to get, etc. THought that needed to be said... Pete

Thank you I actually posted all of that out of frustration of people misunderstanding what the differences were all about and what the benifits of each medium actually are. In the end it comes down to personal choice. I think that cds are the best choice for me, but I perfer buying vinyl over cds haha. I AM a quality buff, believe it or not, and so I like the advantages of vinyl over cd, but I won't give up the advantages of cds either. I play both worlds.

I am very glad that I could help you out in your dissicions. They aren't always clear cut to some. And it's not often that I see posts in this thread that actually offer objective and helpful information. I hate the posts that say "vinyl rules, cds suck!". They do nothing more than bump the thread and waste my time.

Anyway, as I said, I'm glad I could help.

I just stumbled across this thread and thought I'd add some fuel to the fire...

I have witnessed, first hand, two big name DJ's that had a CD deck malfunction (cut out) on them in the middle of a tune. Both times, each DJ threw up his hands, faded over to a turntable, and proceded to curse the CD deck. Incidentally, both decks (separate occasions and clubs) were Pioneer. (Not that I'm trying to slam Pioneer, but I thought it was an interesting conicidence.)

Now, I'm not dissing CD's as a DJ medium by any means. However, I've never heard of anyone having a problem with a turntable that wasn't caused by human error... In other words, I've never seen a turntable just up and quit like a CD deck.

On a personal note, I love the feel and the sound of vinyl. You just can't get that feeling with CD's.

Just my .02 on the subject.

I haven't really followed this discution, but, i think, none is better. Its 2 totally different kinds of handling. It depends on your personal taste. It is true that on a vinyl, you feel and see the music, where with a CD you dont see the music. But, on the other hand, CD's are easier to get, and much cheaper. But i'm still staying with the old vinyl

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Originally posted by Ugg I have witnessed, first hand, two big name DJ's that had a CD deck malfunction (cut out) on them in the middle of a tune. Both times, each DJ threw up his hands, faded over to a turntable, and proceded to curse the CD deck.

that happened at insomniacz last weekend, the dj in room 2 was in the middle of a mix.. and the cd fucked up so he got real pissed off and threw the actual cd into the crowd

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Originally posted by Tiger777 I haven't really followed this discution, but, i think, none is better. Its 2 totally different kinds of handling. It depends on your personal taste. It is true that on a vinyl, you feel and see the music, where with a CD you dont see the music. But, on the other hand, CD's are easier to get, and much cheaper. But i'm still staying with the old vinyl

that's what i've been saying
you can't compare the 2 because it's 2 totally different mediums
analog and digital
it's like comparing fruit to candy
you can discuss the differences and which is better between 2 chocolate bars, but not between a chocolate bar and an orange

I disagree.
If you are playing trance ( or any other kind of electronic music ),
then all you are doing 90% of the time is pitching and cueueing.
This process is almost exactly the same with cd and vinyl decks.

It's the knob twiddling part of DJ'ing that determines the result.

You can argue about feeling and sentimentality, but this is all it comes down to. Pitching and cueueing.

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Originally posted by DJ_Shockwav that's what i've been saying you can't compare the 2 because it's 2 totally different mediums analog and digital it's like comparing fruit to candy you can discuss the differences and which is better between 2 chocolate bars, but not between a chocolate bar and an orange

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Originally posted by sirhiss I disagree. If you are playing trance ( or any other kind of electronic music ), then all you are doing 90% of the time is pitching and cueueing. This process is almost exactly the same with cd and vinyl decks. It's the knob twiddling part of DJ'ing that determines the result. You can argue about feeling and sentimentality, but this is all it comes down to. Pitching and cueueing.

but people were talking about sound quality before
which is what i was referring to

but in terms of functionality, i know i can play jsut as well on cd as i do vinyl
it doesn't matter to me

and a lot of djs here say they beatmatch using just the pitch control, so then there goes that "hands on" type argument

meh, i say whatever floats your boat

This might be intresting to read...
http://www.recess.co.uk/cdvsvinyl.html

i've heared ENOUGH discussion about this kinda thing.
i don't have to say much "monkey do what monkey does"

if u feel comfy with vinyl spin them... if u feel comfy with CDs, play them.
a good set is a good set... and a good DJ is a DJ that can incoperate ALL the tools he has available.. even if it means a pair of tape players and a cheap two channel battle mixer.

DJRocco's final thoughts "njoy a set not cuz the DJ is spinning apples instead of oranges, but rather njoy a set cuz it tastes sweet"

Here is a quote from a recent tiesto interview......

Question: Are you excited about DJ technology, and do you think is enhancing and allowing people to do things that they could not do before.

Tiesto: Yes, I think vinyl will disappear. Everybody is shocked when I say that, I mean it's the 21st century, we have [such] high tech [equipment] and a vinyl record is so old school.


check out the article


HERE

now that is 100% bull shit. Vinyl will never disapear. Vinyl will always take a little part in our harts.

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