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Originally posted by Cyrus King that is the pronounciation many middle easterners use...with an F HardcorTrancer dont mind him... hes Tiesto14's other half!

well thanks...you answered my question...now i know palestine is said with an "F" sound by middle easterners...what i dont understand is you calling me tiesto14's other half...seriosuly man dont take everything as an insult

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Originally posted by Cyrus King HardcorTrancer dont mind him... hes Tiesto14's other half!

ooh thanks for letting me know,now I know how to deal with him!!

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer ooh thanks for letting me know,now I know how to deal with him!!

uhh...sure there internet tough guy...i can't wait to see how you'll deal with me now!

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Originally posted by TuanAnh213 uhh...sure there internet tough guy...i can't wait to see how you'll deal with me now!

aaah go ahead keep talkin,you are safe since I cant punch you face from your monitor,but thats ok I know geeks like you.You all seem to have alot balls when talking on internet!!

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer viva phalastine!!!!!

the whole thing regarding the pronunciation is a little shaky...technically in Arabic it's pronounced with an F. Obviopusly in english it's with a P. As far as Farsi goes, i've got no fucking clue.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer aaah go ahead keep talkin,you are safe since I cant punch you face from your monitor,but thats ok I know geeks like you.You all seem to have alot balls when talking on internet!!

yeah man...im safe from the big tough internet guy that you are...shit just thinking of your tough internet image sends shivers down my spine!

hey, let's take the shit to PM's please.

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 hey, let's take the shit to PM's please.

or we can stop it now right here??fighting on rnet is pointless,there is no winner.

I will stop.

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Originally posted by DrummeRaver86 the whole thing regarding the pronunciation is a little shaky...technically in Arabic it's pronounced with an F. Obviopusly in english it's with a P. As far as Farsi goes, i've got no fucking clue.

we say it like arabic too,we say it with f also.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer or we can stop it now right here??fighting on rnet is pointless,there is no winner. I will stop.

truce

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Originally posted by TuanAnh213 truce

Yoepus that is a great improvement on your last post, and i appreciate it.

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Originally posted by Yoepus I am trying to understand why you believe Israel IS sponsoring terrorism?

It is good that you are trying to understand, and not ignoring one side of this conflict like others in this forum, you stated that:

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Israeli policy is focused under one pinnicale principle and that is Security to the Israeli people, which BTW is according to modern philosophical thought of our day the most important funciton of government and its original motive of being.

The palestinian extremist groups also believe they are defending their country's security, they believe they are being invaded, occupied and oppressed by a military superior enemy.
As i have stated before, terrorism is subjective to perception.

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Even assuming all you read about the Israeli army in the Palestinian areas is true, do you ever read that it is their policy to terrorize the Palestinian populace as their primary objective into goating them into a political settlement?

Yes Yoepus, i explained earlier in this thread how the palestinian youth are indoctrinated.

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"The best bargains can be found when the streets flow red with blood" - Mayer Amschel Rothschild

Think about that for a minute, it not only applies to Palestines "policy".

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Well I don't call this "TERRORISM"... OH NO 4 ISRAELI SOLDIERS PUT POO ON POOR 5 YEAR OLD DRAWING'S! TERROR TERROR!! AHH THE INHUMANITY! Damn if that is terrorism for you, then I really wish there were Palestinian terrorists, I would accept Palestinian rubbing poo on drawings of elementry school as opposed to blowing up buses and killing people.

What was the point in this? Please don't ruin your posts with this dogmatic bullshit in the future.

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No what I call this is the realities of war, you will get some soldiers who are tense and are embittered and will do some unlikely things. At least I can say they pooed on drawings and didn't strap dynamite to them and ran into a Palestinian mall (if such a thing exists).

This is true, there are crimes against humanity in every war by every race, we are all human.

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However this is in no way reflective of Israeli policy or intentions, most likely since those solders where caught on tape doing an act like that they will be court marshalled.

I believe they were court marshalled, remember though, not everything is caught on tape, you could say the man who had his limbs shattered was lucky.

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The Israeli army does not tolerate things like that.. neither do I. I don't tolerate such things, but I do understand them, and I do understand as bad as HORRIBLE as it may be, smearing poo on child artwork it is not terrorism. And no, smearing poo is not against the Rules of War either.. there is no mention of it in the Geneva Convetion at all.

Have you read the Geneva Convention?

Let me make something clear I DO NOT condone terrorism of ANY kind, I am just trying to make a point that everything is not so black and white, thinking in terms of dualisms, although common to our cultures is pathetically stupid, "Good" and "Evil" are both concepts.

Everyone note that i encourage intellectual debate, you will not get flamed for well constructed criticism, also note that i will not stand for the racist bullshit that has also gone on in this thread

melech_mike Hitler himself would be proud of your ethnocentric paragons, you post nothing but sanctimonious hate mongering, you are a pathetic racist.

It's funny how your ideals are not dissimilar to the Nazi regime, the only difference is the context.

You are a pitiable Nazi melech_mike

sigh

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer yes you moron!! I guess it is true the Americans are not the smartest people,you are a great example.

hardcore trancer, we are fighting against stereotypes here, not propagating them, if you wish to get your viewpoint across more effectively, try and maintain the moral high ground

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Originally posted by tathi melech_mike Hitler himself would be proud of your ethnocentric paragons, you post nothing but sanctimonious hate mongering, you are a pathetic racist. It's funny how your ideals are not dissimilar to the Nazi regime, the only difference is the context. You are a pitiable Nazi melech_mike sigh

aaaah man where have you been,you havent seen what he has said in the past about arabs and muslims,things that was really sad and disgusting to read!!and yet he still continues with his racist comments and views till this day.!!

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Originally posted by tathi hardcore trancer, we are fighting against stereotypes here, not propagating them, if you wish to get your viewpoint across more effectively, try and maintain the moral high ground

you are right man,but sometimes it is the whole board and their nagetive views against mine,it is hard not to fight back when some are being ignorant.

Yes, it can be frustrating, everyone loses there temper ( especially me :P ) just refrain from getting sucked into it.

hardcore trancer check PM in a minute

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Originally posted by Cyrus King Are you an Arab Jew? .....No.. so that is not your land. Since when is it ok for a group of people that claim their religion justifies them a certain piece of land, that they should deserve it! Melech, you are not of middle eastern desent so that is not your land. You are a european jew and have your ancestral place of origin,,,, and dont tell me you descended fromt he ISraelites,... thats way too far back to keep track of. So all in all... it is ARAB land...despite religion..and Israel has stolen and keeps stealing much of that land from Palesinians.. so...in reality.. you are only attached to that land through your religion!!! But its all good.. you have given up your ignorant and racist existence on this forum by claiming you resignation....but its probably a lie.... like the life you live.

You set me up all too well... I can�t resist�

Cyrus, I thought you knew me better than that!
I'm a Sephardic Jew! This eliminates the possibilities of my ancestors coming from a European country.

In the past I have stated my background and roots...
I am an Arab Jew! I could list ancestry in that region as far back as you please, but I'm sure this will be enough: Iran, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Spain; I got it! I am of Middle Eastern decent as my birth certificate stats my place of birth to be Haifa, Israel.

Much like your other posts, this one is full of shit. I just thought I�d clear things up; I know how much you and your little friends on here like twisting things around.

Now go fuck the Persian rug your mom calls her ass!


ps. alvi sheh col ha mish'pacha shelcha isaref, ya ben chaya!

hhehehehehhehe its so funny when they get owned, they allways start on the mothers LOL,

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Originally posted by melech_mike ps. alvi sheh col ha mish'pacha shelcha isaref, ya ben chaya!

whatta fuck is that mean??you made that up??
whatta retard
.I cant wait to see your ass banned again!!

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Originally posted by ProDiGaL hhehehehehhehe its so funny when they get owned, they allways start on the mothers LOL,

They usually do that when they know that they cant win the battle!!!hahaha

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Originally posted by melech_mike You set me up all too well... I can�t resist� Cyrus, I thought you knew me better than that! I'm a Sephardic Jew! This eliminates the possibilities of my ancestors coming from a European country. In the past I have stated my background and roots... I am an Arab Jew! I could list ancestry in that region as far back as you please, but I'm sure this will be enough: Iran, Turkey, Azerbaijan, Spain; I got it! I am of Middle Eastern decent as my birth certificate stats my place of birth to be Haifa, Israel. Much like your other posts, this one is full of shit. I just thought I�d clear things up; I know how much you and your little friends on here like twisting things around. Now go fuck the Persian rug your mom calls her ass! ps. alvi sheh col ha mish'pacha shelcha isaref, ya ben chaya!

I could have sworn you once mentioned you were ashkanazi jew... but i guess i am mistaken. In any event... like I said.... ARAB jews deserve that land...meaning people of your ancestry if you arent lying... not euro or russian jews that claim that land as theirs today. It is a middle eastern region of earth.. and it belongs to people of middle eastern origin if historical "justifications" are to be brought to light.

Again...try not to get too angry at people who think you are a religious extremist or a racist...you are the sole instigator of that though in other people's minds....

Remember...your mother has a persian rug ass as well... you are spehardic arent you?

P.S Boro Kose modaret bokhor.

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Originally posted by Cyrus King I could have sworn you once mentioned you were ashkanazi jew... but i guess i am mistaken. In any event... like I said.... ARAB jews deserve that land...meaning people of your ancestry if you arent lying... not euro or russian jews that claim that land as theirs today. It is a middle eastern region of earth.. and it belongs to people of middle eastern origin if historical "justifications" are to be brought to light. Again...try not to get too angry at people who think you are a religious extremist or a racist...you are the sole instigator of that though in other people's minds.... Remember...your mother has a persian rug ass as well... you are spehardic arent you? P.S Boro Kose modaret bokhor.

aaaaaahahahahhahahaa he got you there Miky!!!!

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Originally posted by tathi Yoepus that is a great improvement on your last post, and i appreciate it.

Oh goody goody, do I get any rewards? How about a brownie?

Let me point out one major error in your logic before I rant:

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The palestinian extremist groups also believe they are defending their country's security, they believe they are being invaded, occupied and oppressed by a military superior enemy. As i have stated before, terrorism is subjective to perception.

I'd established earlier that the primary reason for a goverment is to protect its citizens. To do this it carries an exclusive (read monopoly) power on its citizens.

They might claim they are defending their country but their is a moral and philosophical difference when 'groups' of their own merit claim to defend a nation, as opposed to that nation's government.

The Palestinian terrorist (why use the word extremist.. are they any true Palestinian extremist groups that after all never engaged in terror? Why the facad?) are have no connection (officially) with the OFFICIAL Palestinian GOVERNMENT.

The Palestinian government officialy does not support these groups, which means they do not act legally for the Palestinians. They do not have the weight of the Palestinian people, the Palestinian nation behind them. Therefore they can not claim they are defending their country, as it is not of their duty. Regardless if they are acting as terrorist or not, the Palestinian extremist can not retort that they are defending their people, it is the EXCLUSIVE job of their government to do that.

This is how our modern philosophy of governments is understood, as initally outlined by Rousseau and Locke, do you understand the philosophy to government at all, and do you agree with the modern philosophy of government?

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What was the point in this? Please don't ruin your posts with this dogmatic bullshit in the future.

Its called humor, to bad you lack it. I'd ask you won't ruin your post with careless cursing.

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Have you read the Geneva Convention?

I've read it so many times you wouldn't believe. I know it by heart. Preservation of art and culture is the Hague convention (http://www.icomos.org/hague/hague.convention.html).. though I'm doubtful you could make a successful case defining pre-school paperdrawings as cultural propoperty.

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Let me make something clear I DO NOT condone terrorism of ANY kind, I am just trying to make a point that everything is not so black and white, thinking in terms of dualisms, although common to our cultures is pathetically stupid, "Good" and "Evil" are both concepts.

Well your making a dumb point. Yes nothing (well no, a few things actually are) is ever black and white, but it is neither the murky grey you try and make it. Conflicts, politics, and morals do have critera they can be judged against. For a heartless guy like you, you should try to at least adopt a basic philosophy, perhaps utalitarianism (John Strauss), maybe it will make you see more clearly.

I see no need in your attempt to murky the word terrorism which is black to something grey and fairly subjective, it is fairly clear to all of us in our midns what is acceptable and what is not as terrorism. It is still very hard for me to understand how a learned man like you can still equate the Offical Government actions of the State of Israel with the terrorist acts commited by unofficial 'extremist' groups of an undefined Palestinian territory.

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I'd established earlier that the primary reason for a goverment is to protect its citizens. To do this it carries an exclusive (read monopoly) power on its citizens.

Ahh, you have a PhD in Political Science? I thought the government's primary objective is to "govern" its citizens.

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Government The system or form by which a community or other political unit is governed

You would be right if the military staged a coup and maintained a totalitarian state

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They might claim they are defending their country but their is a moral and philosophical difference when 'groups' of their own merit claim to defend a nation, as opposed to that nation's government.

The Israeli authority are doing everything they can to undermine the Palestinian authority, the Palestinian people have lost faith in their government and taken "justice" into their own hands.

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The Palestinian government officialy does not support these groups, which means they do not act legally for the Palestinians.

And Israel is acting legally under the UN?

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They do not have the weight of the Palestinian people, the Palestinian nation behind them. Therefore they can not claim they are defending their country, as it is not of their duty. Regardless if they are acting as terrorist or not, the Palestinian extremist can not retort that they are defending their people, it is the EXCLUSIVE job of their government to do that.

Think of the puppet government in Afghanistan, does it have the popular support of the Afghani people? Is it the Afghanistani army "protecting" it's people or is it UN peace keepers?

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This is how our modern philosophy of governments is understood, as initally outlined by Rousseau and Locke, do you understand the philosophy to government at all, and do you agree with the modern philosophy of government?

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Philosophy Any personal belief about how to live or how to deal with a situation

If everyone agreed in one philosophy why are there so many? I do not believe in your philosophy.

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Its called humor, to bad you lack it.

You find terrorizing children funny? I'm glad i don't have your sense of humour.

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I've read it so many times you wouldn't believe. I know it by heart. Preservation of art and culture is the Hague convention though I'm doubtful you could make a successful case defining pre-school paperdrawings as cultural propoperty.

So that makes it OK?

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RESOLUTION 1261 (1999) Strongly condemns the targeting of children in situations of armed conflict, including killing and maiming, sexual violence, abduction and forced displacement, recruitment and use of children in armed conflict in violation of international law, and attacks on objects protected under international law, including places that usually have a significant presence of children such as schools and hospitals, and calls on all parties concerned to put an end to such practices

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Well your making a dumb point. Yes nothing (well no, a few things actually are) is ever black and white, but it is neither the murky grey you try and make it.

Is it really a dumb point? To you it might be, but think about others on this forum..

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Conflicts, politics, and morals do have critera they can be judged against.

What benchmark would you compare Israel's policy on the redistribution of Palestines land? Perhaps Zimbabwe?

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For a heartless guy like you, you should try to at least adopt a basic philosophy, perhaps utalitarianism (John Strauss), maybe it will make you see more clearly.

I am heartless for defending the underdog? I can see why a Social Darwinist doesn't like my egalitarian point of view.

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I see no need in your attempt to murky the word terrorism which is black to something grey and fairly subjective, it is fairly clear to all of us in our midns what is acceptable and what is not as terrorism.

Hah, if it is fairly clear, why are we discussing this? Why have i exposed the hypocrisy of all your posts and others with your ideals?

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It is still very hard for me to understand how a learned man like you can still equate the Offical Government actions of the State of Israel with the terrorist acts commited by unofficial 'extremist' groups of an undefined Palestinian territory.

It is hard for me to understand why people force their collective opinion onto others

Good to see you have raised the bar of this intellectual debate You are lucky i didn't have much time to reply to your post because there is a good doco on TeeVee soon

Enjoy :-)

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