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Originally posted by USMC_Greg Bush does not answer to the people of the world --he answers only to Americans. And like what every good leader should do, is to listen to those people whom he represents. Bush is protecting the interest of the U.S., both in terms of Oil and in terms of protecting itself from dangerous regimes. As regard to your praying for muslims to unite, you are nuts. This conflict has nothing to do with Islam, so why bring that into this? Blow yourself up? I hope you were just ranting because you sound like a terrorist to me.

so I guess you are a damn terrorist too by supporting Bush!!
and yes be scared VERY scared,U thought Sep 11 was bad huh?future doesnt look good for the Americans,they just got themselves more enemy and more people will hate them now,so be ready for more terrorist attacks!!ooh and wait till the casualities start to rise,in this war.
and yes I will blow myself up if it means to save my country ,are u scared??gooooooooo

and you said Bush is protecting the American intrest intrest,so then fuck the world,and let them attack any counties they want,just to protect their intrest!! god I HATE Americans.
and you are saying that the idiot Bush is a good leader because he is listening to his own people??mmmm then why isnt he doing something about their own problems??how about Kyoto??ooh wait thats not in their intrest. it seems like that he doesnt want to face the real problems.Dont tell me Saddam is the problem.
and you said this war has nothing to do with islam maybe,but try to explain this to people in Iraq or other counties who got fucked by the American Gov.
and I wont stop praying,because the U.S should get the fuck out of middle east,they ruining the region.
and you probably gonna tell me the Iraqi people are waiting for the Americans in Baghdad to celebrate their freedom right?
every Iraqi person I talk to told me that having Americans in their country is their worst nightmare.
so you can call me whatever the hell you want,but Iam not afraid to speak my mind,and you think Iam a terrorist then you better watch out

Last time I checked, the US gov. had agents in Columbia trying to help shut down the rebels and the drug traffiking lanes that go to the US and Canada....

I'm gonna be honest, Iraq is being targeted beacause they are easily seen as the 'bad guy' (which Saddam is...no doubt about it). There are many other places that could use some help but the US can't do it all by themselves. It's a shame, oppressed civilians somewhere could really use our help. It's a shame that Cretien is more concerned with building a legacy than actually doing some good in the world today.

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer Stuff about killing innocent americans

You're a gimmick right? Please tell me you are.


Also, when are you going to learn that the actions of the american government!= the sentiments of every single american

LoL. Dude...you are deeply misinformed! Russia will never support the US. Russia and Germany were not "reluctant." The said they would veto the 2nd resolution no questions asked. Ask Russian people regarding this issue and their feelings are quiet strong.

Second of all, Iraq does NOT have WMD! Al Sammound missiles are not WMD! They are missiles. The USA posses 10 times as many missiles. Russia posses 10 times more missiles. WMD are considered those that can cause damage by biological, chemical, explosive, or/and radiological means. Al Sammound are missiles that posses explosive capabilities, but they are not atomic bombs alike weapons, which is meant by "explosive." No war heads were found that would be considered WMD in Iraq. Overall, there is no evidence of WMD in Iraq.

edit: regarding the "Failure to co-operate with U.N. arms inspectors is another breach. Why would they fail to cooperate if they weren't hidding anything?"

Let me guess, you heard that from the BUSH's speech itself? Iraq did not fail to cooperate. Try listning to an actual Blix's speach and you'll understand that they have absolutly nothing against Iraq except Al Sammund and some minor details. Blix stated that Iraq cooperated with the Arm inspections. Inspecters were allowed to inspect anything and everything without an advance warning and at anytime any day. He stated that there was still some room for "improvement" but what exactly did you expect from a country that is under a threat of Invasion from USA and under a dictatorship regime. It was matter of time. In conclusion, UN supports Iraq.

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Originally posted by Guvaholic WHAT IS YOUR COMMENT A THREAT???? You say "Your" country this your country that..... WHERE DO YOU LIVE??????? C A N A D A ! Like I've said before, if you feel so strongly about "YOUR" country, get your ass on a plane fly to Iran strap yourself up and go to war. I guess you don't think of the threat of Saddam harming "MY" country DO YOU??? He is a threat to the world Get mad at Saddam NOT BUSH you MORON! BTW It would be my pleasure to "chat" with you.

riiiiiiiiiiiiiight so then I guess all these protesters around the world are morons too right??
and tell me how is Saddam a fucking threat to your counry??
incase you havent noticed we are pretty far from Iraq
and finally I think Bush is a threat to humanity!!and you are moron for supporting a mad man like him!!

ooh wicked I'll see you at PVD then we'll talk

^^^ that would be a great way to ruin an evening

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Originally posted by Wurm ^^^ that would be a great way to ruin an evening

no no dont worry man we'll just chat thats all,and you can watch us incase things get ugly!!

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer no no dont worry man we'll just chat thats all,and you can watch us incase things get ugly!!

i cant wait...itll be justin timberlake versus "gugaholic" gino

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer incase you havent noticed we are pretty far from Iraq and finally I think Bush is a threat to humanity!!and you are moron for supporting a mad man like him!!

North America was pretty far away from Europe When Hitler was going around killing millions of innocent people. By your logic, we ought not have gotten involved over there. We should have just let The Europeans take care of their own affairs. Oh yeah that's right, if that had happened, the world would be MUCH different than this relative OASIS we live in now.


Also, please explain how Bush is a threat to humanity.

If one of you bastards ruins my PvD party day, I swear to god I'll rip ya guts out and watch you drown in your own blood. I'll do the same if you shitheads won't let me in into the Main Room by 2:30a!

*In an old granma's voice* Angry..soooo angry...like rap music!

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee i cant wait...itll be justin timberlake versus "gugaholic" gino

LOL ye lets let him think Iam that skinny!!haha
PVD is gonna be wicked,I cant wait to see some of the great people of this board!!

and El Kay dee can you be my body guard that night??seems like it'll be a night full of action!!

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Originally posted by Ray_Finkle North America was pretty far away from Europe When Hitler was going around killing millions of innocent people. By your logic, we ought not have gotten involved over there. We should have just let The Europeans take care of their own affairs. Oh yeah that's right, if that had happened, the world would be MUCH different than this relative OASIS we live in now. Also, please explain how Bush is a threat to humanity.

here we go again with Hitler.is Saddam planning to take over the world??

and to your question,well lets see the way he is going,by the end of his presidency alot of people will be killed,just because he wanted to protect his fellow Americans!!

I CANT BELEIVE THE UTTER DISGUST THAT I AM READING!!!!!!!

How can you canadians be on BUSH's side... this man has completly disregarded the international community and the condemnation that has been spewed his way.. On monday.. bush basically told the world community he didnt give a fuck about what they thought and that he would take matters into "his own hands"... This in my opinion has and will continue to really upset the BILLIONS that are against this war.

Sure Saddam is an awful guy... but to EXPLOIT the events of 9/11 upon your own people by propogating it for support for the US government to attack Iraq.. out right disgusts me.

To those who support this war... why dont you go to Baghdad and watch as thousands of men women and children are blown to bits as they hide for their lives. The last gulf war killed 1.5 MILLION INNOCENTS..... I wonder how many people will be brutally murdered for a "liberation" to occur.

Is Saddam going to try and take over the world? Maybe, maybe not. Would Saddam try and take over neighboring countries (like he has already tried to do in the past)? Judging by Saddam's history, I think that that is very feasible scenario.

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well lets see the way he is going,by the end of his presidency alot of people will be killed,just because he wanted to protect his fellow Americans!!

Actually, that doesn't answer my question. In fact that is such complete bullshit. If you think that Bush is a "threat against humanity", then you must think that France, Germany, Russia are also threats against humanity if Saddam ends up killing millions of Iraqis. After all, they would be indirectly responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent people (or atleast, it would make them an accessory to a threat against humanity). I ask you this question again. How do you suppose that the world should go about deposing Saddam?

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Originally posted by Ray_Finkle I ask you this question again. How do you suppose that the world should go about deposing Saddam?

my answer to you is that war is not the answer to problems,it makes things worst and worst,and if u think Saddam is that bad,then why didnt the world do anything in the past 10 years??what he is bad now,but not last year?
all Iam asking is why now?

Why now? because the US and its allies have been trying to find a diplomatic solution to this clusterfuck of a situation. The UN has been dragging its heels in the dirt and the US has finally been had enough and decided to finally do something about it. Now that I answered your question, answer mine. How do you think we should go about deposing of Saddam?

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Originally posted by Ray_Finkle Is Saddam going to try and take over the world? Maybe, maybe not. Would Saddam try and take over neighboring countries (like he has already tried to do in the past)? Judging by Saddam's history, I think that that is very feasible scenario.

its known that USA is trying to take over the world...beat that

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee its known that USA is trying to take over the world...beat that

I would be really interested to hear how you came up with this theory. I'm not being sarcastic. Can you explain this to me?

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Originally posted by Ray_Finkle I would be really interested to hear how you came up with this theory. I'm not being sarcastic. Can you explain this to me?

k....name 1 country other than the US which has army bases outside its own on a permanent basis

name 1 country other than the US which can get away with attacking another country and not be charged

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Originally posted by Ray_Finkle Why now? because the US and its allies have been trying to find a diplomatic solution to this clusterfuck of a situation. The UN has been dragging its heels in the dirt and the US has finally been had enough and decided to finally do something about it. Now that I answered your question, answer mine. How do you think we should go about deposing of Saddam?

ooh ya and we saw all those horrible weapons the UN inspectors found!!
to be honets Saddam is the only leader in the world that has the balls to stand up against the U.S and their fucked up foreign policies unlike other arab nations who are not doing shit at this moment.
yes I know he killed alot of my people back in the Iran and Iraq war,but that war was another creations of the Americans,they basically gave both countries bio and chemical weapons to destroy each other.

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Originally posted by DJ El Kay Dee k....name 1 country other than the US which has army bases outside its own on a permanent basis name 1 country other than the US which can get away with attacking another country and not be charged

very good points there man!!

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Originally posted by Ray_Finkle Is Saddam going to try and take over the world? Maybe, maybe not. Would Saddam try and take over neighboring countries (like he has already tried to do in the past)? Judging by Saddam's history, I think that that is very feasible scenario.

Unfortunately, history doesnt have to always repeat itself. Stop using that as a way to validate our argument. Just so you know, the Iran/Iraq war, the gulf war, and the horrendous sanctions that have been imposed on this nation has hurt the people more than Saddam. It has also made it very weak economically and militarily. Therefore, i dont think he would have even the resources to attack another surrounding nation in order to take over it.

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Actually, that doesn't answer my question. In fact that is such complete bullshit. If you think that Bush is a "threat against humanity", then you must think that France, Germany, Russia are also threats against humanity if Saddam ends up killing millions of Iraqis. After all, they would be indirectly responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent people (or atleast, it would make them an accessory to a threat against humanity). I ask you this question again. How do you suppose that the world should go about deposing Saddam?

If you havent seen the recent TIME polls... an overwhelming amount of the international population beleives that the US... which is curently run by someone who cheated his way into office...see the US as the biggest threat to the world. I think you have been grossly misinformed about the other Atrociities that this nation has commited throughout this century. In fact, the US is the only nation to be charged with terrorist crimes against civilians by the international court of Justice during the Nicaragua attacks in the late 80's.

How else would we get rid of Saddam.. the same way they got Melosovic... by attacking his compounds and capturing him that way.

1) History is a very effective way of predicting future trends. Saddam has attacked other countries in the past. Saddam has killed thousands of his own citizens in the past. Saddam has defied the internation community in the past. Do you think that he has learnt from his mistakes? DO you think he is some sort of living saint? he still tortures and kills his own people. He still would have no problem attacking other countries (Kuwait has already been fired at and he has no problem attacking Isreal). Obviously sanctions really affect the civilians because Saddam gets his way all the time (that didn't make sense beacause i'm tired..oh well)But you should be thankful for these sanctions. No sane Iraqi will stand up and support a man who has fucked them over for the past 10+ years (like I said before, leading them into more than one war that they lost badly). The war will be over quite quickly. Compared the the military of the states, Iraq is no match but to other countries in that region, Saddam is a definite, viable threat.


2)Please don't ever say that Bush cheated his way in cause he didn't and people who say that or something like that are ignorant and retarded. If you don't like the Electoral College system then go to Capitol Hill and try and do something about it. He won the election fair and square. Also, do you think that the US is the only country that has committed war crimes? Hm...let's make a list of other ones that have committed crimes against humanity:

1. Germany circa 1940
2. Rwanda circa mid 90s
3. Canadian soldiers raping and torturing civilians in that very same conflict
4. If you believe that Palistine is an actual country...then them (I believe blowing up innocent civilians is covered under your definition of war crimes
etc etc etc.....I wonder how many of those countries have been charged or whatever wording you used.

I still don't see how people can think that Bush is the bigger threat. All these little dictators running around with their hands on nuclear weopons are more likely to use nuclear weapons than the US would. Nukes would be the last thing the Us would want to use. I wonder...Say the US didn't get involved. Would the iraqi's be thanking you for not getting rid of Saddam as they are lead to a firing squad? I wonder....

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Originally posted by Ray_Finkle 1) History is a very effective way of predicting future trends. Saddam has attacked other countries in the past. Saddam has killed thousands of his own citizens in the past. Saddam has defied the internation community in the past. Do you think that he has learnt from his mistakes? DO you think he is some sort of living saint? he still tortures and kills his own people. He still would have no problem attacking other countries (Kuwait has already been fired at and he has no problem attacking Isreal). Obviously sanctions really affect the civilians because Saddam gets his way all the time (that didn't make sense beacause i'm tired..oh well)But you should be thankful for these sanctions. No sane Iraqi will stand up and support a man who has fucked them over for the past 10+ years (like I said before, leading them into more than one war that they lost badly). The war will be over quite quickly. Compared the the military of the states, Iraq is no match but to other countries in that region, Saddam is a definite, viable threat. 2)Please don't ever say that Bush cheated his way in cause he didn't and people who say that or something like that are ignorant and retarded. If you don't like the Electoral College system then go to Capitol Hill and try and do something about it. He won the election fair and square. Also, do you think that the US is the only country that has committed war crimes? Hm...let's make a list of other ones that have committed crimes against humanity: 1. Germany circa 1940 2. Rwanda circa mid 90s 3. Canadian soldiers raping and torturing civilians in that very same conflict 4. If you believe that Palistine is an actual country...then them (I believe blowing up innocent civilians is covered under your definition of war crimes etc etc etc.....I wonder how many of those countries have been charged or whatever wording you used. I still don't see how people can think that Bush is the bigger threat. All these little dictators running around with their hands on nuclear weopons are more likely to use nuclear weapons than the US would. Nukes would be the last thing the Us would want to use. I wonder...Say the US didn't get involved. Would the iraqi's be thanking you for not getting rid of Saddam as they are lead to a firing squad? I wonder....

well let me ask you this so Saddam isnt the greatest leader,but Bush is the saint right??

dude I dont know if u were born here or not,but I was borned and raised there, I know how it is there.All I can tell you is that people in that region are not happy with the fact that America is all over them.Let them choose whaat they want dont and how they want they live, they dont need US to choose their regime.I wonder how things would be if middle east had no oil,you probably wont see America there thats for sure.

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Originally posted by Ray_Finkle 1) History is a very effective way of predicting future trends. Saddam has attacked other countries in the past. Saddam has killed thousands of his own citizens in the past. Saddam has defied the internation community in the past. Do you think that he has learnt from his mistakes? DO you think he is some sort of living saint? he still tortures and kills his own people. He still would have no problem attacking other countries (Kuwait has already been fired at and he has no problem attacking Isreal). Obviously sanctions really affect the civilians because Saddam gets his way all the time (that didn't make sense beacause i'm tired..oh well)But you should be thankful for these sanctions. No sane Iraqi will stand up and support a man who has fucked them over for the past 10+ years (like I said before, leading them into more than one war that they lost badly). The war will be over quite quickly. Compared the the military of the states, Iraq is no match but to other countries in that region, Saddam is a definite, viable threat.

First off... i dont need a background check on Saddam... i know who he is and the horrible things he has done. Wih respect to him "taking over" another nation as you put it in one of your posts.... he doesnt have the resources to that. Attacking ohter nations is another story... i know he would do that.... but he has only done that as a response to this war...if he had done this out of the blue maybe three years ago.. then it would be a diffferent story. And HOW THE FUCK can you say these that we should be thankful for these sanctions... thats the most disgusting thing ive read so far... Do you know what affectt these sanctions have had on the Iraqi people... do you know how it feels like to starve to death... die of a common cold becuase there is no medicine... so you know how it feels like to constantly use wet rags to tend to the burns caused by the gulf war without proper hospital attention... you obviously have no fucking clue as to the suffering of the IRaqi people as you type away in your comfortable room.

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2)Please don't ever say that Bush cheated his way in cause he didn't and people who say that or something like that are ignorant and retarded. If you don't like the Electoral College system then go to Capitol Hill and try and do something about it. He won the election fair and square. Also, do you think that the US is the only country that has committed war crimes? Hm...let's make a list of other ones that have committed crimes against humanity: 1. Germany circa 1940 2. Rwanda circa mid 90s 3. Canadian soldiers raping and torturing civilians in that very same conflict 4. If you believe that Palistine is an actual country...then them (I believe blowing up innocent civilians is covered under your definition of war crimes etc etc etc.....I wonder how many of those countries have been charged or whatever wording you used. I still don't see how people can think that Bush is the bigger threat. All these little dictators running around with their hands on nuclear weopons are more likely to use nuclear weapons than the US would. Nukes would be the last thing the Us would want to use. I wonder...Say the US didn't get involved. Would the iraqi's be thanking you for not getting rid of Saddam as they are lead to a firing squad? I wonder....

YOU NEED ALOT OF LEARNING TO DO MAN!!

There is soo much ignorance in that last statement. Jeb bush.. George bush's brother was the govenor of Florida during the race... NUFF SAID!

The US has done more damage to this world..... environmentally, humanitarily and politcally than many of these "little" countries that you cant properly identify.

Again... with respect to TERRORISM... the US is the only nation to be charged with that crime....that tells youa lot.... and with respect to weapons of mass destruction.... what nation was the only one to ever use a nuclear weapon?!?!! .. TWICE imight add!!!!

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