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Originally posted by gehzumteufel Same. If this manufacturer plate was swapped in the US, I would never bother. But being that it is done overseas before the US has anything to do with it, it is a good way to skirt the R33 and R34 ban on newly imported ones.

I don't know why you'd bother with a plethora of similarly priced vehicles like the Corvettes, Vipers and so on, already made in-country and much easier to maintain in terms of parts, finding someone to fix them.
Those RB26DETT's are highly strung out of the factory. They also cost about $7-8000 for a new one when you (invariably) blow it up or spin bearings.

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Originally posted by Lilith I don't know why you'd bother with a plethora of similarly priced vehicles like the Corvettes, Vipers and so on, already made in-country

Oh so many reason, but i would guess one of them would be a desire to drive a good sports car.

Corvettes and Viper's have quite a distinguished track record in quite a few races. Sure, they're a bit agricultural in a lot of ways, but they're also surprisingly robust and easy to fix, tune up and massive amounts of torque.

I like Skylines, I looked at over 18 GTR's when shopping for a new sports car, the R32's are all blown up and thrashed, the R33's are a bit of a dud and the R34's tend to be slightly overpriced for what they are.

But with all that power, they are still more akin to a sledgehammer where perhaps a more precise tool is needed. Saying that, the second reason why one would bother importing a skyline over buying a sledgehammer is these are two distinct types of sports cars, each with its own set of customers. The type of people that buy vipers probably dont buy skylines (unless they are Jay Leno or some similar petrolhead with more money than god), and vice versa, so if ones looking for a skyline its doubtful that any of the american made stuff is a viable alternative (unless he doesnt really care about cars but just wants to pose in something shiny)

Personally i dont like it if a mechanic from the early 1900s could look under the hood of my car and say "oh no problem, i can fix that", but the other side when a mechanic isn't a mechanic but a team of asians running around with laptops while wearing lab coats doesn't appeal to me as well. That's why i prefer european cars, they are somewhere in the middle and also come in two flavours, full of passion or serious (but not overly) engineered

European cars are outrageously overpriced here in Australia.
Most of the American stuff we don't see at all, but we do make some very good local vehicles which have American engines and coming into their own as sports sedans.
Japanese is still fairly much the way to go as our middle ground, plenty of parts, people to fix it and the vehicles aren't that expensive.

I finally sold our Mazda MX5 today. Bought it quite cheaply, had a few bits and pieces fixed on it and I actually made about $1500 profit, nearest and dearest didn't manage to ding it learning to drive a manual and we now finally have a bit of room in the garage.

One wonders just how many people actually buy japanese or european cars over there, because if your version of Top Gear is anything to go by, a large portion of australia is wiling to go to war to resolve which is better, ford or holden (such a silly reason since its obvious that they both suck :P).


Shame about the mx5 though, its a good lilttle car provided you're not too tall for it and current vesion in nowhere near as good as the 1st and 2nd gen were.


Also if you're a man and driving an mx5...it makes you look a bit gay.

^ I'm 6'3" and I drove a 1st gen MX5 for 5 years. It was anything but a gay little car, and neither were any of the ones that I raced against (lots were turbo'd or supercharged).

Sure they're a cute little car, popular with old dudes who like a slow Sunday drive, but it's an excellent little sportscar.

I agree with what Lilith is saying though. The new Vettes are great value for money if you want lots of power and adequate performance handling. The Pontiac GTO which was a re-badged Holden is also great. Same big Vette engine but with room for 4 people and groceries. It's also quite a sleeper too, and even better, they didn't sell well so the dealers were virtually giving them away at huge discounts.

Bringing a car from a foreign market is always a big risk. Parts and service are very expensive, nevermind all the legal shit to deal with.

lol, I'm 5ft nothing and she's 5'8ish... if anything I needed a cushion to raise me up a bit
It was an older 1600cc one with the pop up lights I found for about 2500, needed a new passenger door, roof and gearbox but I got my uncle to do that for us along with a little bit of paint to tidy it up. They definitely need more power, you're not going to break any speed records in them, but the handling was astonishing.

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Originally posted by Moongoose One wonders just how many people actually buy japanese or european cars over there, because if your version of Top Gear is anything to go by, a large portion of australia is wiling to go to war to resolve which is better, ford or holden (such a silly reason since its obvious that they both suck :P).

Its television, its rubbish

I quite liked my Holden thankyou very much, it was only a 2003 Caprice (4door) but all it needed was an aftermarket exhaust, cams, ECU and headers to drop out 500nm of torque and 250kw at the rear wheels, some big monotube Bilstein shocks, heavier springs to tighten up the feel. Not very expensive at all really, very fast, comfortable and handled as well as any BMW I've ever driven.

A new M3 here is well over $180,000...
I might be rich, but I'm not stupid.

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Originally posted by Lilith Corvettes and Viper's have quite a distinguished track record in quite a few races. Sure, they're a bit agricultural in a lot of ways, but they're also surprisingly robust and easy to fix, tune up and massive amounts of torque. I like Skylines, I looked at over 18 GTR's when shopping for a new sports car, the R32's are all blown up and thrashed, the R33's are a bit of a dud and the R34's tend to be slightly overpriced for what they are.

my best friend is always trying to convince me that corvettes and vipers are amazing cars. i call them "rich redneck cars" lol

i am starting to appreciate vettes though. you get A LOT of car for the money.

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Originally posted by Moongoose But with all that power, they are still more akin to a sledgehammer where perhaps a more precise tool is needed.

This is the typical tom foolery idiocy that comes with people that try to say the Vette and the Viper are not precise machines. Fail on all cylinders. There is a reason why GT1 was basically abandoned. The Vette dominated the race 100% of the time. Won the championship for 7 years straight.

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Originally posted by Slylee my best friend is always trying to convince me that corvettes and vipers are amazing cars. i call them "rich redneck cars" lol i am starting to appreciate vettes though. you get A LOT of car for the money.

The Vette and Viper have always held their own. Always.

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Originally posted by Lilith I don't know why you'd bother with a plethora of similarly priced vehicles like the Corvettes, Vipers and so on, already made in-country and much easier to maintain in terms of parts, finding someone to fix them. Those RB26DETT's are highly strung out of the factory. They also cost about $7-8000 for a new one when you (invariably) blow it up or spin bearings.

Exclusivity. /end

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Originally posted by Lilith A new M3 here is well over $180,000... I might be rich, but I'm not stupid.

lulz exchange. That thing is only 90k here.

^ Yeah, the Vette's were unstoppable for years until Aston came along and gave them a good run for their money. The C6R's sound great at full chat (so do the Astons, my god...). The ORECA-run Vipers were the same back in the late 90's.

My ears were ringing so bad after the 24 Hours of LeMans this year (but in a good, car porn way )

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Originally posted by pmoisse ^ Yeah, the Vette's were unstoppable for years until Aston came along and gave them a good run for their money. The C6R's sound great at full chat (so do the Astons, my god...). The ORECA-run Vipers were the same back in the late 90's. My ears were ringing so bad after the 24 Hours of LeMans this year (but in a good, car porn way )

Yeah the Astons were their only real competition in that class. Fortunately they ditched GT1 and went to GT2. They are really having a good show there now.

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Originally posted by Slylee i am starting to appreciate vettes though. you get A LOT of car for the money.

very true

one of the best price/performance ratios

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Originally posted by The_G0dfather very true one of the best price/performance ratios

Especially the new ZR-1. With the price and performance of that model, you could say that it has really set some sort of bar even with godzilla.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel Yeah the Astons were their only real competition in that class. Fortunately they ditched GT1 and went to GT2. They are really having a good show there now.

GT1 would have been epic with more manufacturer support. Sadly Porsche didn't want to run the Carrera GT1, and Ferrari didn't want to bust out anything either. There's a Masseratti MC12 that runs in the FIA GT series, but I guess they weren't invited to LeMans.

Konigsegg, Ascari and Gumpert would also be great in that crowd. Hopefully they can fit into GT2 for next year.

not sure if it's a repost or not..

but here it is anyways.

Audi RS4...giving the M3 a run for it's money.

I would love for Audi to to a lightweight RS4 or S5 but have it only rear wheel drive.

That would be a proper BMW fighter.

They're badass as they are, but I would love to see what more they could make them

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Originally posted by pmoisse GT1 would have been epic with more manufacturer support. Sadly Porsche didn't want to run the Carrera GT1, and Ferrari didn't want to bust out anything either. There's a Masseratti MC12 that runs in the FIA GT series, but I guess they weren't invited to LeMans. Konigsegg, Ascari and Gumpert would also be great in that crowd. Hopefully they can fit into GT2 for next year.

Totally agree there. Manufacturer support blew so much ass in GT1. Although, to be fair, it was warranted. For 7 years running the same car won the championship. Coming in and upsetting that would be no easy feat.

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Originally posted by Slylee i call them "rich redneck cars" lol

Definitely at least at the entry level they're probably mostly bought by old geezers in a mid life crisis, then sold on to young male hooligans who do 100mph past primary schools and crash them into old geezers driving too slow to get out of the way.
Its a cyclic process

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i am starting to appreciate vettes though. you get A LOT of car for the money.

Oh, those upper tier models are serious machines. American's make a lot of disposable rubbish cars, but the vettes and vipers aren't in the same league, especially considering they draw on help from companies like Lotus and Lamborghini to do some engineering from time to time.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel Exclusivity. /end

meh, put a downpayment on a house instead

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lulz exchange. That thing is only 90k here.

Its $0.83 at the moment
Import tax, luxury car tax, GST, on road fees, transfer fees... it piles on new cars. Probably costs BMW all of $200 to ship them here, but the market is 1/20th of the size of the US, demand isn't that high and people just sort of accept that they're going to get robbed buying it, probably carjacked for it at some point and utterly skinned alive for parts after the warranty runs out.
Exclusivity. /end

i wasn't going to post these because of the horrible quality. i dunno wtf is wrong with our camera. it took amazing pics underwater in the keys but night time pics of cars are bad. i had it set to "night time" and everything

anyway here they are









my shit



there were some sweet porsches but i was so fed up w/ the camera at that point, i didn't bother taking pics of them.

The graininess in the pics is caused by the camera using a high ISO setting due to the low amount of available light. That allows the shutter speed to be faster so your shots aren't blurry from camera shake..... but yeah, sadly they're grainy instead :/

A lot of point and shoot cams have that problem. What type is it, out of curiosity?

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Originally posted by Sushipunk The graininess in the pics is caused by the camera using a high ISO setting due to the low amount of available light. That allows the shutter speed to be faster so your shots aren't blurry from camera shake..... but yeah, sadly they're grainy instead :/ A lot of point and shoot cams have that problem. What type is it, out of curiosity?

an olympus "Stylus 790 SW" 7.1 megapixel. waterproof

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Originally posted by Lilith meh, put a downpayment on a house instead Its $0.83 at the moment Import tax, luxury car tax, GST, on road fees, transfer fees... it piles on new cars. Probably costs BMW all of $200 to ship them here, but the market is 1/20th of the size of the US, demand isn't that high and people just sort of accept that they're going to get robbed buying it, probably carjacked for it at some point and utterly skinned alive for parts after the warranty runs out. Exclusivity. /end

lol you don't buy a 100k car if you don't own a house.

And shipping is expensive as fuck to Oz.

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Originally posted by gehzumteufel lol you don't buy a 100k car if you don't own a house.

that was my ex. renting an apartment (was a pretty nice complex though) and driving an 04 SL 500

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