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Originally posted by Vlad Because Torre doesnt know how to manage youth, and now that hes desperate he has no choice but to play him more and more. Im sure if he keeps hitting and fielding well he will start next year at 1B, and this will give them even more of a reason why they should get rid of Giambi (ESPECIALLY if Shelly keeps hitting). This also saves them alot of prospects by not going after Teixiera, instead their trade for the year should be for Rowand. Hopefully they could dump Damon in that deal, maybe go 50/50 on the contract.

NOONE is going to take Damon unless we pick up a significant portion of his contract. Isn't his agent borASS?? I'm sure there's a no trade clause somewhere in there.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 NOONE is going to take Damon unless we pick up a significant portion of his contract. Isn't his agent borASS?? I'm sure there's a no trade clause somewhere in there.

Yes he is, and were paying Damon 11.051m until 2009. If that isnt a thorn, I dont know what is.

signed 4-year deal worth 52M thru 2009 season on 12/22/05- + he receives salaries of 13M each year in 2006, 2007, 2008 and 2009- + he receives a limited NO-TRADE clause- + 2005 salary: 8.25M- + bonuses he has earned: 50K for 2005 All-Star selection

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 NOONE is going to take Damon unless we pick up a significant portion of his contract. Isn't his agent borASS?? I'm sure there's a no trade clause somewhere in there.

hey James,,,I just had a lot of fun reading back through the early posts in this thread...when you aint studying take a look..theres some very accurate predictions and many whack ones..it's an interesting read...

I dont think we will get Rowand unless the Phils dont move him and we pick him up in december, the Phils want a SP. I think our best bet is Byrnes, but hes gonna be asking 50m for 5 years.

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Originally posted by steven-neil hey James,,,I just had a lot of fun reading back through the early posts in this thread...when you aint studying take a look..theres some very accurate predictions and many whack ones..it's an interesting read...

hit me with a whack prediction.

my best prediction was that drew was going to be a bum. but at the same time i didn't give matsuzaka enough credit. but i don't remember saying he was going to suck.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 hit me with a whack prediction. my best prediction was that drew was going to be a bum. but at the same time i didn't give matsuzaka enough credit. but i don't remember saying he was going to suck.

A-Rod having his worst season yet is one example...

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Originally posted by steven-neil A-Rod having his worst season yet is one example...

I said that?

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 I said that?

no bro..i'm saying predictions in general from everybody...not you personally....

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Originally posted by steven-neil no bro..i'm saying predictions in general from everybody...not you personally....

I know I didnt expect this kind of year from him. I figured it would be more of the same. But at the end of the day, it doesnt mean shit about what you do in the regular season - the playoffs is where it counts.

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Originally posted by Vlad I know I didnt expect this kind of year from him. I figured it would be more of the same. But at the end of the day, it doesnt mean shit about what you do in the regular season - the playoffs is where it counts.

not true....first you need to make the playoffs. if you can't make the playoffs then you can't even evaluate playoff performance. so logically your season play is more important than your playoff performance. now, when an individual players performance doesn't determine whether a team makes the playoffs your logic may have some truth. However, if it wasn't for AROD, you could probably take 10 wins away from the yankees this season and we wouldn't even be in the race. His regular season performance this year should overshadow any post season downfalls he may have this year if we make it. He is the reason we are in the race. That is far more important than a performance in the playoffs that may never occur.

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Originally posted by steven-neil no bro..i'm saying predictions in general from everybody...not you personally....

i figured that's what you meant, because i don't remember bashing arod, ever.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 However, if it wasn't for AROD, you could probably take 10 wins away from the yankees this season and we wouldn't even be in the race. His regular season performance this year should overshadow any post season downfalls he may have this year if we make it. He is the reason we are in the race. That is far more important than a performance in the playoffs that may never occur.

Point taken, but his playoff downfalls could play into whether or not Geroge wants him to stick around. because eventhough hes getting us to the playoffs, championships is all that matters to George.

why do teams like Tampa Bay even exist?
Too many damn teams diluting the talent pools.

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Originally posted by Stassi why do teams like Tampa Bay even exist? Too many damn teams diluting the talent pools.

Because theres so many players to go around.

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Originally posted by Stassi why do teams like Tampa Bay even exist? Too many damn teams diluting the talent pools.

Lack of a hard cap and the lack of revenue sharing. It's much harder for a small market team to consistently put together winning teams because of those facts. The fact that a player has to stay with the team that drafted him for seven years helps in limiting the discrepancy between large and small market organizations but can't possibly be expected to solve the problem.

Even teams that draft extremely well (A's, Marlins) can't build a consistent, winning program because they can only really afford one star player at a time. This is why the Marlins are forced to dump major talent every 3-4 years.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 I'd like to hear a non-yankees fan take on the AL east race and Wild card. djstopngo????

If in 3 weeks the Yanks have trimmed the lead down to five or fewer games than the AL East is up for grabs. The next 21 games, in terms of strength of schedule, heavily favors the Yankees. That, coupled with the return of Hughes, makes a surge from the Yanks seem almost obvious. That said, I don't know whether you guys can consistently get quality starts out of Mussina or Pettitte. You'll need that in order to have a legitimate shot because your middle relief is, frankly, not good.

Also, we're not the Red Sox of year ago. We don't hit as well but our pitching is much, much improved. Our bull pen has been, knock on wood, outstanding and our starting pitching has been good enough. We're not going to lose 8/10 or 7 in a row so the Yankees need to post a .750 and above winning % to have a legitimate shot. It's certainly doable.

The Wild Card, as I see it, is completely up for grabs. The Indians and Mariners will slide and that race will come down to the last 2 weeks of the season with the Yankees, M's and the Tribe vying for the final spot.

That's my .02 anyway

TB has great talent but they dont have the money to keep everyone.

B.J. Upton, FA after 2007 (no Team Options)
Delmon Young, FA after 2008 (depending on Major League service during those years- + the team has the right to option him to the minors 4 times- + if he is arbitration eligible by the 2008 season, then his 2008 salary of 700K will be voided- + with bonuses the total value of the deal can rise up to 6.2M)
Carl Crawford, FA after 2008 (Team Option for 2009 worth 8.25M or a 2.5M buyout- + if the 2009 option is exercised, then a Team Option for 2010 worth 10M or a 1.25M buyout is added- + 2010 option value could rise to 11.5M based on various escalators)

They have some serious shit on their hands.

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Originally posted by djstopngo If in 3 weeks the Yanks have trimmed the lead down to five or fewer games than the AL East is up for grabs. The next 21 games, in terms of strength of schedule, heavily favors the Yankees. That, coupled with the return of Hughes, makes a surge from the Yanks seem almost obvious. That said, I don't know whether you guys can consistently get quality starts out of Mussina or Pettitte. You'll need that in order to have a legitimate shot because your middle relief is, frankly, not good. Also, we're not the Red Sox of year ago. We don't hit as well but our pitching is much, much improved. Our bull pen has been, knock on wood, outstanding and our starting pitching has been good enough. We're not going to lose 8/10 or 7 in a row so the Yankees need to post a .750 and above winning % to have a legitimate shot. It's certainly doable. The Wild Card, as I see it, is completely up for grabs. The Indians and Mariners will slide and that race will come down to the last 2 weeks of the season with the Yankees, M's and the Tribe vying for the final spot. That's my .02 anyway

what about the twins?? santana is always nasty in the second half.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 what about the twins?? santana is always nasty in the second half.

Could you imagine what the Twins would be like if Liriano didnt have to get Tommy John surgury?

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Originally posted by Vlad Could you imagine what the Twins would be like if Liriano didnt have to get Tommy John surgury?

imagine what they'll be like after his tommy john surgery? That surgery is supposed to make you're arm stronger.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 imagine what they'll be like after his tommy john surgery? That surgery is supposed to make you're arm stronger.

Well, yea... when you put that much torque on the arm, you better hope its stronger than it was. The surgury might be quick, but the recovery takes a year and a half - as you know.

BTW, I think its the coaches fault for him getting hurt because he was over working him, allowing him to pitch complete games.

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Originally posted by Vlad Well, yea... when you put that much torque on the arm, you better hope its stronger than it was. The surgury might be quick, but the recovery takes a year and a half - as you know. BTW, I think its the coaches fault for him getting hurt because he was over working him, allowing him to pitch complete games.

not too sure, but i think i remember hearing that he had bad mechanics.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 not too sure, but i think i remember hearing that he had bad mechanics.

His mechanics were similar to F-Rod when he was having all those elbow problems, tons of torque at the elbow.

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Originally posted by Vlad His mechanics were similar to F-Rod when he was having all those elbow problems, tons of torque at the elbow.

isn't it K-Rod?? Whatever it is, I hate that name, although he has a NASTY curveball.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 isn't it K-Rod?? Whatever it is, I hate that name, although he has a NASTY curveball.

Francisco Rodriguez, from the Angels.

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Originally posted by jerZ07002 what about the twins?? santana is always nasty in the second half.

Yeah, I thought about them but I think it's going to be really difficult to make up all that ground, especially considering how tough the central is.

You're absolutely right about Santana. His numbers are ridiculous after the all star break, they always have been.

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