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Chicken And Egg Dilemma

Scientific Proof Of The Pre-Existence Of Chickens
by Dirk Van Deun ([email protected])

20 Jun 1995

In this article I will prove that the so-called Dilemma of the Chicken
and the Egg is, in reality, not a dilemma at all. The question, which of the two was there first, is a simple question, that can be solved. It was Darwin who made it possible to provide the correct answer, as I will do in this scholarly article, but also before Darwin there can never have been a Dilemma, as all myths about the Creation I know of speak of the creation of animals, not of eggs. The famous Dilemma of the Chicken and the Egg, in other words, is nothing but a sham.

Nowadays we know that chickens, or eggs, for that matter, were not
created by God, but that they are the product of a long evolution, and
that makes the Dilemma more difficult to solve. But it can be done. To begin with, we have to specify that we will be speaking about chickens and chicken's eggs, not about chickens and any kind of eggs, because in that case, the answer is trivial and uninteresting. This seems evident, but I mention it because of its importance further in this discussion.

Let us call the animal which preceded chickens in the evolution of the
species the primeval chicken, or p-chicken for short. The difference
between chicken and p-chicken is probably small and arbitrary, but it
must be possible to differentiate between them, although the criterion
we will use will be chosen more or less arbitrarily by biologists. In
the remainder of this article I will speak about chickens and p-chickens as if we all know the difference; what exactly this difference is, is unimportant to us philosophers.

One day a p-chicken must have laid an egg, out of which a modern chicken emerged. The arrival of this strange chicken has maybe happened on several occasions independently, and the first modern chicken might not be the ancestor of all our chickens, or it might even have died childless, but this is of no importance for our discussion. The only factor of importance is, whether the egg out of which the first modern chicken was born, was a real chicken's egg. If this egg actually was a chicken's egg, then the Egg existed before the Chicken, if not, it can only have originated later.

Now we still have to define a chicken's egg. At first sight, there seem to be three possibilities: a chicken's egg is an egg laid by a chicken (we might call this the popular definition of a chicken's egg), or a chicken's egg is an egg out of which a chicken is born, or a chicken's egg is an egg laid by a chicken, out of which a chicken is born. In fact, only the first definition can be right, because also the eggs we eat, which most certainly do not contain chickens, are called chicken's eggs. And on top of that, if eggs were named after what they contained, there would also have to exist cock's eggs. No, the genitive form can only refer to the maker, not to the inhabitant of the egg.

So, as the egg, out of which the first chicken emerged, cannot have been a chicken's egg, because it was laid by a p-chicken, and as we have clearly stated that the Egg in the Dilemma of the Chicken and the Egg can only have been meant as a chicken's egg, I conclude that the Egg came into existence after the Chicken. With the remark, that for once the old creation myths and modern science have come to the same conclusion, I finally put an end to this learned discussion.

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Originally posted by vitamin v Sooo *twiddles thumbs* what did come first? the chicken or the egg? bored....

bored too.....

If you're a creationist, you'd have to say the chicken.

If you're an evolutionist, probably the egg, as the chicken may have evolved from another egg laying animal, gradually evolving into the chcken we know today.
Equally so, you could say the chicken using the same thories as the chicken may originally have not been egg laying, instead being foetus laying (don't know the correct term, but like humans are), but for some reason a chicken layed an egg which gave its progeny an evolutionary advantage, hence leading to the proiferation of the egg laying chicken.

yes, too much thought went into that.........



Fuck off, as if you've written something similar to what I've just said................



you cheat, at least I put thought into it, not just copy-paste.

damn you're up late miss rach.

oh wait, hold up... so am i...

going sleep now. zzZzz..

ahah oh sorry didnt see ur post last nite, i was talking to faz :P time zone differences is a killer...

why were u home on a sat nite?

i wasn't. was at a friend's place gambling away for chinese new year.

by the end of night i was up a MASSIVE $4.50. yay!

yes, with those sort of winnings I better start hiding my cash.

u r supposed to keep the money u r given for the new year, not gamble it!!

i was given no money. i'm not chinese.

hence i had to win some off those who actually were given some!

hahaha oh i see

this thread is the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. 'phun with photoshop'

http://www.tranceaddict.com/forums/...threadid=244951

dude that is the funniest thing i have ever seen lmao!!!

quote:

Originally posted by Bitz dude that is the funniest thing i have ever seen lmao!!!

Nicolai, is that you?? ^^^

If it is im gonna bash you when i see you at work next!! J/K



BTW....im not bored, just stressing about going back to uni

GIMMIE MORE HOLIDAYS



I wish i was a professional jockey slut *stares dreamily into space*

SMACK...MY...BITCH...UP!!!!!

I love the Prodigy! Just listening now....

yeah thats me vi. heh.... you fight me? dude thats crazy. it's like a cripple picking a fight with Bruce Lee

quote:

Originally posted by Bitz yeah thats me vi. heh.... you fight me? dude thats crazy. it's like a cripple picking a fight with Bruce Lee

yeh bruce lee would so get owned.

hmmm




kthxbai!

Cant sleep, bored @ 6:18 here in Canada

can't stand it @ work!

going home to bludge bwahaha

yeeeeeeehawwwwwwwwwwwwww

i see you rachy...

shakin dat ass
shakin dat ass

Hey...what the....how'd I end up here?

quote:

Originally posted by DarkAngel Hey...what the....how'd I end up here?

OMG *my sides hurt* thanks for that!!

btw... im not bored.

Gerry, did you have a bad experience with the easter bunny when you were a child or something?? why do you want to kill it??

Come to think of it the easter bunny is a stupid concept, why the f*** does a bloody bunny deliver eggs anyway?

easter bunny seems to be an easy target really.





nah i dont have bad experience with easter. being raised by catholic parents kinda make me reject all those commercial easter propaganda.


i think because the bunny doesn't serve any significant purpose it deserve capital punishment.

quote:

Originally posted by tachyon i think because the bunny doesn't serve any significant purpose it deserve capital punishment.

infect it with mixamitosis and let it spread to other bunny's

fuck work sucks. bring back the old days, where you either died early coz you were poor, or you were rich and didnt have to get up every fucking day and get stuck in the cube farm for 40 years.

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