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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN dont bother nutter |
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| Originally posted by shaolin_Z LOL, and for I second I thought you were being condescending until I took a look at his nick . |
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN you know theres only one nutter in my life mate! |
. Lilith's gonna have a field day with this 
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| Originally posted by culorut They shot Flight 93 down, thousands of pieces of the aircraft are scattered everywhere. No wonder they never played this footage again on TV. |
John Kerry agreeing that World Trade 7 was brought down in Controlled Demolition.
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| Anyway, I think shooting down a hijacked plane after 3 others had been crashed into landmarks is pretty justifiable if it did happen. Doesn't go to prove any conspiracy theory |
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| Originally posted by culorut John Kerry agreeing that World Trade 7 was brought down in Controlled Demolition. |
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Alex Jones, professional conspiracy theorist radio host, has said Jones found evidence of thermite. This isn't true. What Jones found was something which would have been in the debris pile anyway. Sulfur... |
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Silverstein's Quote: "I remember getting a call from the Fire Department commander, telling me they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, you know, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is just pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse." -Fact which is undisputed by either side, he was talking to the fire commander -Fact which is undisputed by either side, both are not in the demolition business Silverstein's spokesperson, Mr. McQuillan, later clarified: "In the afternoon of September 11, Mr. Silverstein spoke to the Fire Department Commander on site at Seven World Trade Center. The Commander told Mr. Silverstein that there were several firefighters in the building working to contain the fires. Mr. Silverstein expressed his view that the most important thing was to protect the safety of those firefighters, including, if necessary, to have them withdraw from the building." He could be lying, right? But here is the corroborating evidence... "They told us to get out of there because they were worried about 7 World Trade Center, which is right behind it, coming down. We were up on the upper floors of the Verizon building looking at it. You could just see the whole bottom corner of the building was gone. We could look right out over to where the Trade Centers were because we were that high up. Looking over the smaller buildings. I just remember it was tremendous, tremendous fires going on. Finally they pulled us out. They said all right, get out of that building because that 7, they were really worried about. They pulled us out of there and then they regrouped everybody on Vesey Street, between the water and West Street. They put everybody back in there. Finally it did come down. From there - this is much later on in the day, because every day we were so worried about that building we didn't really want to get people close. They were trying to limit the amount of people that were in there. Finally it did come down." - Richard Banaciski |
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Professional conspiracist and radio host Alex "New World Order� <http://nwobeastomfg.ytmnd.com/> Jones claims that Silverstein walked away with a profit of $500 million <http://www.prisonplanet.com/011904wtc7.html> after building 7�s insurer, Industrial Risk Insurers, paid its $861 million policy! This shouldn�t need to be said, but the fact that IRI didn�t dispute the $861 million claim should make it perfectly clear that Silverstein didn�t �admit� to destroying his building. And lest you think that IRI�s management somehow benefited by turning a blind eye to Silverstein�s �crime,� consider that IRI did contest Silverstein�s lawsuit over his Twin Towers insurance claim. No. Insurance companies have a funny way of making sure that insured parties don�t destroy their skyscrapers, collect the claims, and drive into the sunset with a truckload of cash. A clause in Silverstein�s WTC 7 policy required him to begin rebuilding within two years, and lenders required that the new building have as much square footage as the old (and they complained mightily when the plans came up short in that department). The cost of the new building? Over $700 million. Hey, that still leaves Silverstein with a tidy profit of around $161 million, right? No. There was the small matter of the existing $489.4 million mortgage, which Silverstein paid off with the insurance settlement, leaving him with a shortfall of $328 million heading towards construction of the new building. The City of New York, desperate to see rebuilding begin downtown, saved Silverstein a bundle in financing costs by offering over $400 million in tax-exempt Liberty Bonds, which the Bank of New York guaranteed. That move gave Silverstein and his backers the freedom to do something unheard of in recent New York real estate history: start construction of a skyscraper without a major (or minor) tenant on board. And when the building opened in 2006? Still no major tenants. |
Kerry's wife looks pretty nervous to me and Kerry did say that WTC7 was brought down in a controlled fashion after he was asked the question.
PKC shut the fuck up already.
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| Originally posted by culorut Kerry's wife looks pretty nervous to me and Kerry did say that WTC7 was brought down in a controlled fashion after he was asked the question. PKC shut the fuck up already. |
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| Originally posted by culorut Kerry's wife looks pretty nervous to me and Kerry did say that WTC7 was brought down in a controlled fashion after he was asked the question. PKC shut the fuck up already. |
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| Originally posted by shaolin_Z LOL. |
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN i dont know what the fuck youre laughing about. considering the poor child is perpetuating the same fallacious bullshit you yourself have been called on previously. the same lies, the same flawed logic. |
. No, you haven't called me on jack. All you did was quote "debunking" 9-11 websites, popular mechanics, and other such garbage. You disagreed, never once did you prove a thing or convine me of anything. I stopped debating this topic with you specifically because of this reason, and because you'd get so emotionally involved in propagating the goverment's conpiracy theory, that you'd eventually resort to insluting me instead of arguing your point.| quote: |
| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN the only reason the conspiracies still exist is because some morons fail to understand even the basic concerns that the conspiracy theories raise, and you all fail to address the larger problems your paranoid fantasies raise. |
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first off, a lot of the stuff i quoted i quoted in its entirety to avoid possible "cherry-picking" of facts that your ilk are so famous for secondly, those pieces i did cut & paste were written in a far better manner than i am capable of doing. yes, im not a scientist but VERY LITTLE of anything i posted was of any complicated science at all.
oh and finally, if mr jones' hypothesis of laws of momentum in the tower's collapses is so scientifically sound, why has his paper STILL not received peer review? until that happens your side has exactly nothing at its foundation.
there hasnt been ANY scientifically reviewed work that supports your position, so you can lecture me on newton all you like and its still garbage.
i am more than happy to accept the opinions of the real experts in all of this, the structural engineers, because i readily admit the complexities of the towers' collapses are beyond my ability to analyse. there are plenty of other aspects to 9/11 that i DO grasp tho
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| LOL, calm the heck down dude . No, you haven't called me on jack. All you did was quote "debunking" 9-11 websites, popular mechanics, and other such garbage. You disagreed, never once did you prove a thing or convine me of anything. I stopped debating this topic with you specifically because of this reason, and because you'd get so emotionally involved in propagating the goverment's conpiracy theory, that you'd eventually resort to insluting me instead of arguing your point. |
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| Originally posted by culorut PKC seems to do this with everyone, it's because he knows he is full of shit and resorts to attacks. |
Humor you? you are humoring me you ****.
Fuck off already.
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| Originally posted by culorut Humor you? you are humoring me you ****. Fuck off already. |
another example of crazy, immature children with the capacity to swallow and regurgitate bullshit, but no capability to defend it.
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| Originally posted by pkcRAISTLIN oh and finally, if mr jones' hypothesis of laws of momentum in the tower's collapses is so scientifically sound, why has his paper STILL not received peer review? until that happens your side has exactly nothing at its foundation. |
Good luck Ocean Drive, PKC's next post will look something like this,
You are all children, did you go to school? Are you successful and have experience in the real world? You realize you are posting lies, lies I tell you.
Nut bag.
Giuliani Caught In Bizarre Building 7 Lie
Claims WTC 7 collapsed in stages, Kerry Building 7 admission explodes on You Tube popularity charts
Rudy Giuliani has been caught in a bizarre lie about WTC 7, in which he claims the building collapsed in stages over a sustained period of time, when in reality the structure fell in under seven seconds. Giuliani also reveals that he expected the twin towers to collapse but "not in the way they did."
Giuliani was a speaker along with former Oklahoma City Mayor Ron Norick at an April 19th event held at the Oklahoma City Museum and National Memorial in Ahoma City, Oklahoma. The entire video can be viewed here courtesy of C-Span, but the pertinent clip is embedded below.
Giuliani is asked if he had expected the twin towers to collapse on 9/11. Here is his response.
"Yeah, but not in the way they did."
"It occurred to us all that they might ultimately collapse over....the way buildings usually collapse, which is in stages."
"It looked like at some point the top of the building would come off, and then maybe the middle of the building and then maybe there'd be a shell left....the way number 7 came down 4 or 5 o'clock in the afternoon - over a period of time - but the idea that it would implode, the implosion that took place, I actually didn't realize that until much later."
Building 7 collapsed in just 6.5 seconds - videos of the structure before its collapse show the building fully intact and suffering sporadic fires across a limited number of floors.
It has since also been proven to a reasonable degree that the smoke seen emanating from the area of Building 7 was mostly coming from Buildings 5 and 6, which had taken the direct brunt of the collapse of the twin towers and were completely ablaze.
WTC 7 imploded at near free fall speed and fell in its own footprint, barely even blocking the adjacent road. Giuliani's emergency command bunker was located in the building but he and his crew evacuated just before the collapse of the twin towers. Building 7 had been structurally reinforced to compensate for numerous floors to be taken out without compromising the integrity of the building.
For Giuliani to claim that Building 7 collapsed in stages is completely bizarre and totally inaccurate. One has to wonder if he is intentionally attempting to mislead with such a wildly false statement.
Is Giuliani attempting to re-write history in an attempt to deflect clearly documented accusations that Building 7 was brought down by a controlled demolition?
In addition, his claims that the collapse of the twin towers, though not in the fashion they eventually fell (controlled demolition), was expected, completely contradicts the words of the very people who designed the World Trade Center, who are on the record on multiple occasions stating that the towers were designed to absorb airliner impacts without collapsing.
No steel framed building had collapsed from fire damage in history until September 11 2001 when three fell within the space of seven hours, so for Giuliani to have both expected the collapse and have received a warning immediately beforehand is highly suspicious.
In a related story, John Kerry's comments that Building 7 was deliberately demolished during an Austin Texas speaking event have gone viral since the You Tube video was posted and featured in our story on Monday. Despite receiving massive traffic, Google does not list the Prison Planet.com article in its search results nearly two days after the piece was first posted.
Just one version of the video has already received over 42,000 views and rising and features in multiple different You Tube most popular categories. The clip is currently the 5th most discussed video on You Tube today.
Calls to Kerry's office for a further clarification on his comments were not returned.
http://digg.com/politics/Giuliani_Caught_In_Bizarre_Building_7_Lie
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| Originally posted by culorut Good luck Ocean Drive, PKC's next post will look something like this, You are all children, did you go to school? Are you successful and have experience in the real world? You realize you are posting lies, lies I tell you. Nut bag. |
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| Originally posted by _Ocean_Drive_ And what if it did? Would you still then refuse to believe it and accuse those that did of also being uneducated nutters? To coin what of your so-often-used phrases, how about you "go and do your own research" and PROVE to us that the building fell down because it was made of matchsticks... |
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Below is the list of people who have staked their reputations on the only paper which passed the scrutiny of peer review regarding the WTC tragedy... For those who may think that no one has written a peer reviewed paper on the collapse of the towers here it is... "Walter P. Murphy Professor of Civil Engineering and Materials Science Northwestern University The towers of the World Trade Center were designed to withstand as a whole the horizontal impact of a large commercial aircraft. So why did a total collapse occur? The reason is the dynamic consequence of the prolonged heating of the steel columns to very high temperature. The heating caused creep buckling of the columns of the framed tube along the perimeter of the structure, which transmits the vertical load to the ground. The likely scenario of failure may be explained as follows... |
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The version linked above, to appear in the Journal of Engineering Mechanics (ASCE), was revised and extended (with Yong Zhou on September 22 and additional appendices on September 28) since the original text of September 13, which was immediately posted at various civil engineering web sites, e.g. University of Illinios. It also has been or soon will be published in a number of other journals, including Archives of Applied Mechanics, Studi i Ricerche, and SIAM News: Z. P. Bazant and Y. Zhou, "Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse?", Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics News, vol. 34, No. 8 (October, 2001). That means it's not just a document, book, web site or calculation on a forum. It's had to pass critical review by other engineering Professors. I know there are CT sites which attack this paper but not one person has yet to disprove its hypothesis professionally. There are still people attacking the theory of evolution. Anyone can attack, not many can produce a paper to back it up. Just as there is no "theory of intelligent design" except on Christian web sites, there are no alternatives to this paper other than in CT sites and books." |
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Editor: Ross B. Corotis, Ph.D., P.E., S.E., NAE, University of Colorado, Boulder [email protected] http://ceae.colorado.edu/new/facult...ple.cgi?corotis Editorial Board: Younane Abousleiman, Ph.D., University of Oklahoma http://mpge.ou.edu/faculty_staff/faculty.html Ching S. Chang, Ph.D., P.E., University of Massachusetts http://www.ecs.umass.edu/cee/faculty/chang.html Joel P. Conte, Ph.D., P.E., University of California, San Diego http://kudu.ucsd.edu/ Henri Gavin, Duke University http://www.cee.duke.edu/faculty/gavin/index.php Bojan B. Guzina, University of Minnesota http://www.ce.umn.edu/people/faculty/guzina/ Christian Hellmich, Dr.Tech., Vienna University of Technology http://whitepages.tuwien.ac.at/oid/998877.html Lambros Katafygiotis, Ph.D., Hong Kong University of Science and Technology http://lambros.ce.ust.hk/ Nik Katopodes, Ph.D., University of Michigan http://www.engin.umich.edu/dept/cee/prospective/ Nicos Makris, University of Patras http://www.civil.upatras.gr/Melidep...en.asp?profid=5 Robert J. Martinuzzi, P.E., University of Calgary http://www.ucalgary.ca/pubs/calenda...ademicAlpha.htm Arif Masud, Ph.D., University of Illinois, Chicago http://www.uic.edu/depts/bioe/facul...aculty_list.htm Arvid Naess, Ph.D., Norwegian University of Science and Technology http://www.bygg.ntnu.no/~arvidn/front.htm Khaled W. Shahwan, Daimler Chrysler Corporation http://www.pubs.asce.org/WWWdisplay.cgi?9800592 George Voyiadjis, Ph.D., EIT, Louisiana State University http://www.cee.lsu.edu/facultyStaff...iadjis_Gbio.htm Yunping Xi, Ph.D., University of Colorado http://ceae.colorado.edu/new/facult...e/people.cgi?xi Engineering Mechanics Division Executive Committee Alexander D. Cheng, Ph.D., M.ASCE, Chair http://home.olemiss.edu/~acheng/ James L. Beck, Ph.D., M.ASCE http://www.its.caltech.edu/~jimbeck/ Roger G. Ghanem, Ph.D., M.ASCE http://ame-www.usc.edu/personnel/ghanem/index.shtml Wilfred D. Iwan, M.ASCE http://www.eas.caltech.edu/fac_i-m.html#i Chiang C. Mei, M.ASCE http://cee.mit.edu/index.pl?id=2354...ategory&op=show Verna L. Jameson, ASCE Staff Contact Journal of Engineering Mechanics |
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| there's more expert analysis listed ^^ than in the ENTIRE truth movement. im really surprised you guys haven't managed to at least fabricate a structural expert to agree with you. i mean it HAS been 6 years. tsk tsk. |
^^ i dont have the time to watch hour long documentaries. if you have a peer-reviewed paper that he's published im more than happy to have a look at that instead.
oh, and serious LOL @ "it's more like the other way around in reality". no, no its not child. i could paste you another snippet of who makes up, say, the "scholars for 9/11 truth" movement but you wouldnt read that either.
suffice it to say, the world's structural engineers and demolition experts agree (more or less) with the findings of the NIST report.
Your problem then.
PART 2 shows NIST blatantly lying about the molten steel found under WTC1, WTC2 and WTC7.
I will take the rescue workers reports over what they saw at the crime scene over "peer reviewed papers" any day.
That is the reality of 9/11.
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