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| Originally posted by djSlain in Dogma, the leader is Alanis Morrissette in Bruce Almighty, the leader is Morgan Freedman but matrix has colonel sanders? no sense |
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| Originally posted by Dj Dovla ****MAJOR SPOILERS**** The Architect's speech, just in case you're having trouble figuring it out The Architect - Hello, Neo. Neo - Who are you? The Architect - I am the Architect. I created the matrix. Ive been waiting for you. You have many questions, and although the process has altered your consciousness, you remain irrevocably human. Ergo, some of my answers you will understand, and some of them you will not. Concordantly, while your first question may be the most pertinent, you may or may not realize it is also irrelevant. Neo - Why am I here? The Architect - Your life is the sum of a remainder of an unbalanced equation inherent to the programming of the matrix. You are the eventuality of an anomaly, which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. While it remains a burden to sedulously avoid it, it is not unexpected, and thus not beyond a measure of control. Which has led you, inexorably, here. Neo - You haven't answered my question. The Architect - Quite right. Interesting. That was quicker than the others. *The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: Others? What others? How many? Answer me! * The Architect - The matrix is older than you know. I prefer counting from the emergence of one integral anomaly to the emergence of the next, in which case this is the sixth version. *Again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: Five versions? Three? I've been lied to. This is bull****.* Neo: There are only two possible explanations: either no one told me, or no one knows. The Architect - Precisely. As you are undoubtedly gathering, the anomalyis systemic, creating fluctuations in even the most simplistic equations. *Once again, the responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: You can't control me! **** you! I'm going to kill you! You can't make me do anything!* Neo - Choice. The problem is choice. *The scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architects room* The Architect - The first matrix I designed was quite naturally perfect, it was a work of art, flawless, sublime. A triumph equaled only by its monumental failure. The inevitability of its doom is as apparent to me now as a consequence of the imperfection inherent in every human being, thus I redesigned it based on your history to more accurately reflect the varying grotesqueries of your nature. However, I was again frustrated by failure. I have since come to understand that the answer eluded me because it required a lesser mind, or perhaps a mind less bound by the parameters of perfection. Thus, the answer was stumbled upon by another, an intuitive program, initially created to investigate certain aspects of the human psyche. If I am the father of the matrix, she would undoubtedly be its mother. Neo - The Oracle. The Architect - Please. As I was saying, she stumbled upon a solution whereby nearly 99.9% of all test subjects accepted the program, as long as they were given a choice, even if they were only aware of the choice at a near unconscious level. While this answer functioned, it was obviously fundamentally flawed, thus creating the otherwise contradictory systemic anomaly, that if left unchecked might threaten the system itself. Ergo, those that refused the program, while a minority, if unchecked, would constitute an escalating probability of disaster. Neo - This is about Zion. The Architect - You are here because Zion is about to be destroyed. Its every living inhabitant terminated, its entire existence eradicated. Neo - Bull****. *The responses of the other Ones appear on the monitors: Bull****! * The Architect - Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. But, rest assured, this will be the sixth time we have destroyed it, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it. *Scene cuts to Trinity fighting an agent, and then back to the Architects room.* The Architect - The function of the One is now to return to the source, allowing a temporary dissemination of the code you carry, reinserting the prime program. After which you will be required to select from the matrix 23 individuals, 16 female, 7 male, to rebuild Zion. Failure to comply with this process will result in a cataclysmic system crash killing everyone connected to the matrix, which coupled with the extermination of Zion will ultimately result in the extinction of the entire human race. Neo - You won't let it happen, you can't. You need human beings to survive. The Architect - There are levels of survival we are prepared to accept. However, the relevant issue is whether or not you are ready to accept the responsibility for the death of every human being in this world. *The Architect presses a button on a pen that he is holding, and images of people from all over the matrix appear on the monitors* The Architect - It is interesting reading your reactions. Your five predecessors were by design based on a similar predication, a contingent affirmation that was meant to create a profound attachment to the rest of your species, facilitating the function of the one. While the others experienced this in a very general way, your experience is far more specific. Vis-a-vis, love. *Images of Trinity fighting the agent from Neos dream appear on the monitors* Neo - Trinity. The Architect - Apropos, she entered the matrix to save your life at the cost of her own. Neo - No! The Architect - Which brings us at last to the moment of truth, wherein the fundamental flaw is ultimately expressed, and the anomaly revealed as both beginning, and end. There are two doors. The door to your right leads to the source, and the salvation of Zion. The door to the left leads back to the matrix, to her, and to the end of your species. As you adequately put, the problem is choice. But we already know what youre going to do, dont we? Already I can see the chain reaction, the chemical precursors that signal the onset of emotion, designed specifically to overwhelm logic, and reason. An emotion that is already blinding you from the simple, and obvious truth: she is going to die, and there is nothing that you can do to stop it. *Neo walks to the door on his left* The Architect - Humph. Hope, it is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of your greatest strength, and your greatest weakness. Neo - If I were you, I would hope that we don't meet again. The Architect - We won't. |
holee crap, this movied rocked.
spoilers
my theory is that in the end, where neo stops the machines, it's because he is either still in the matrix, or it's a matrix WITHIN a matrix.
agent smith is my hero, i agree with the guy who said his acting rocked, it's way better than keanu reeves, Agent Smith is my new hero.
this might not be the best movie to go see with your girlfriend. she was crying her eyes out when neo reached inside trinity and pumped her heart awake. then she had to ask me which door i'd have taken (save all humanity, or just her) and i had to quickly change the subject.
oh well, we had good sex after, so i guess it's OK. 
My explanation of how Neo destroted the squids is a little different. Going back to what Agent Smith told Neo what happened to him. He said that when Neo "killed" him a part of Neo got imprinted on him. Now since Neo can change the code of the Matrix at will part of that abilty was transferred to Smith. That ability was the ability to replicate. Now since the Matrix interfaces directly with the brain, I belive that when Smith copied himself to that guy and then exited the Matrix he essentialy copied himself to that guys brain. Going along with all of this, I remembered what Neo said before he destroyed the squids. "I can feel them." What I think happened was after he entered the mainframe, part of that experience imprinted something on to him. So now in the real world he can communicate with the machines with his mind, kinda like how the Matrix orders the squids around in the first place. All he did was told the squids to overload themselves with electricity which burnt them out. Doing this was a great strain on his mind hence the coma.
LALALALALA
i didnt read a single post or letter in this entired thread because i havent seen the movie yet. it comes out next friday in panama. so until then...
im fucking DYING to see it though........
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| Originally posted by JohnSmith spoilers my theory is that in the end, where neo stops the machines, it's because he is either still in the matrix, or it's a matrix WITHIN a matrix. |
very poorly done.
2.5/5
The Matrix Is Everywhere.
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| Originally posted by Mosaic very poorly done. 2.5/5 |
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| Originally posted by JohnSmith or it's a matrix WITHIN a matrix. |
IF YOU HAVENT SEEN THE MOVIE DO NOT PROCEED FURTHER****
Okay, when he's with the architect, and he has to pick to door. Which doors did he pick? Did he disable the source code and then rescue trinity? If he didnt mess up the code, why did he say the war will be over in 24 hours?
The movied kicked ass, ill go see it again on wed.
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| Originally posted by tennessee_raver My explanation of how Neo destroted the squids is a little different. Going back to what Agent Smith told Neo what happened to him. He said that when Neo "killed" him a part of Neo got imprinted on him. Now since Neo can change the code of the Matrix at will part of that abilty was transferred to Smith. That ability was the ability to replicate. Now since the Matrix interfaces directly with the brain, I belive that when Smith copied himself to that guy and then exited the Matrix he essentialy copied himself to that guys brain. Going along with all of this, I remembered what Neo said before he destroyed the squids. "I can feel them." What I think happened was after he entered the mainframe, part of that experience imprinted something on to him. So now in the real world he can communicate with the machines with his mind, kinda like how the Matrix orders the squids around in the first place. All he did was told the squids to overload themselves with electricity which burnt them out. Doing this was a great strain on his mind hence the coma. |
twisted world of matrix...
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| Neo - Choice. The problem is choice. |
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| remember agent smith said "you imprinted some shit on to me".. |
*hint hint* if you don't know who this is..
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| Originally posted by partyprincess How come the other thread that bashed The Matrix got closed? That guy knew what he was talking about. This seems to be just a pro Matrix thread  |
When the first matrix came out, i saw it 6 consecutive times, watched on dvd, and ill watch it probably tomorrow for more understanding. Reloaded, i will see probably 4 times in the movies(i saw it yesterday) and i will watch it again on dvd.
my thoughts..
I think the matrix is a dreamworld. The theme for the matrix is all about dreams. When Morpheus explained that only your mind enters the matrix world and that "your body cannot live without your mind", the people are entering a dreamworld in the Matrix when they plug themselves in. Therefore, i believe the architect is designing various dreams, and he finds he had to keep creating other matrix's because of how ppl's minds change. This is only a theory, and it doesn't explain why the matrix is centered on "Choice"...this is what i'm realy wanting to know!
that movie was sweet )
why didnt neo just kill the architect? that woulda rocked
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| Originally posted by partyprincess Take away the special effects, and what kind of a plot do you have? Nothing worth the 13 dollar movie ticket....am I right? |
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| Originally posted by tubularbills $13?! good God! we paid $7 out here in chicago. gotta love AMC's STUDENT DISCOUNTS! woot! |
j/k (especially since the value of the dollar is at an all time low)
? Canadian dollar is highest it's been in 4 years.
http://money.msn.ca/investor/market/cp/report_1.asp
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| Originally posted by JohnSmith ? Canadian dollar is highest it's been in 4 years. http://money.msn.ca/investor/market/cp/report_1.asp |
yeah, i knew it was a joke, one i have often made myself, but right now the loonie is kicking ass! i should go buy a bunch of vinyls..
PS, like my new avatar and custom text?
agent smith could kick the crap outta sahaf!
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| Originally posted by JohnSmith PS, like my new avatar and custom text? agent smith could kick the crap outta sahaf! |
There is so much to the Matrix...i have to watch the first one again. Animatrix plays a big role in this also.
Watch animatrix, it explains alot of things.
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