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Posted by jon on Jun-30-2003 01:38:

quote:
Originally posted by joeh152
My entire point if full.


Reasons for attacking iraq:

Saddam fixed 'elections'
.....many say bush fixed the election

no he didnt, it all came down to a fault in one state in the way votes where counted from some machine i do belive
quote:

Saddam may have WMD
.....American certainly has them

as does the Uk, russia, france, germany, and many other countries
quote:

Saddam may have funded Terrorist groups
.....But we know america has in the past

as did the former USSR during the cold war as well....
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So for the same reasons that america and the UK invaded Iraq, another country would now be justified in invading America??????


ask the Iraq people in a years time once the war etc has all setteled down and ask them would they prefer life under Saddams rule or life as it would be then?
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of course not... but then again i dont think iraq should have been invaded.....


thats your own point of view and at least in the UK your actually alowed that (in Iraq before the recent war you wasnt allowed a point of view, apart from Saddams...)


Posted by Neo nEro on Jun-30-2003 01:38:

quote:
Originally posted by joeh152
how can i proove that?

can you proove that saddam didnt get 100% of the vote????

of course not - just because something can't be prooved doesnt mean that it wasnt obvious.


Saddam did get 100% of the vote. He probably was the only one on the ballot.

Tell me how it was so obvious then.


Posted by occrider on Jun-30-2003 01:42:

This thread is retarded. The only thing it's going to accomplish is to get people pissed off at each other. Not like anybody is going to change their minds here


Posted by TuanAnh213 on Jun-30-2003 01:44:

quote:
Originally posted by occrider
This thread is retarded. The only thing it's going to accomplish is to get people pissed off at each other. Not like anybody is going to change their minds here



originally this thread was about how americans were dumb, unfriendly, the same old bullshit but now its changed into different feelings on the war


Posted by fuct4less on Jun-30-2003 01:45:

quote:
Originally posted by TuanAnh213
as far as handing over guns to fucking retards...it's as if you think some anarchist trench-coat wearing fucktard goes on violent killing sprees at schools every single day here...it's not our fault guns are readily available in stores to criminals, robbers, etc it's our government's fault for not tightening gun control laws...


please dont label these people as anarchists... real anarchism doesnt have anything to do shooting random people, it usually doesnt have anything to do with shooting people at all.


Posted by jon on Jun-30-2003 01:46:

quote:
Originally posted by occrider
This thread is retarded. The only thing it's going to accomplish is to get people pissed off at each other. Not like anybody is going to change their minds here


well most america bashers will use the war as an argument, as they dont actualy have a original valid argument of their own...


Posted by occrider on Jun-30-2003 01:51:

quote:
Originally posted by TuanAnh213
originally this thread was about how americans were dumb, unfriendly, the same old bullshit but now its changed into different feelings on the war


LOL well it started off as being retarded and it seems like it's continuing well in the tradition.


Posted by mndeg on Jun-30-2003 04:23:

quote:
Originally posted by TuanAnh213
1.Bush was elected through the ELECTORAL COLLEGE DING DING DING!! just because a candidate gets majority votes from the citizens doesn't necessarily mean he'll become the president...it only affects what the voters in the electoral college think...and im sure bush did not threaten the lives of these electoral college voters if they don't vote for him so there is something called the electoral college but tehre's no use in explaining that to you since you won't understand obviously

2.Yes we have WMD, along with india, russia, china, france, great britain, pakistan, israel while Iraq doesnt so your question should be should all these countries be liberated of their population

3.unless if the government was to tap every phone line in the united states, invade the entire population's privacy, monitor everyone's whereabouts and movements these sorts of things happen and there was nothing that could've been done prior to 9/11

thank you come again

9/11 could of been EASILY prevented


Posted by DaveSZ on Jun-30-2003 04:25:

quote:
Originally posted by jonsimmonds
using the newspapers as a example of the current state of politics in the uk is wrong


Yet that's what most everyone else here is doing in regards to the USA. Get a clue people.


quote:
Originally posted by occrider
LOL like the jews in the 40's? We got einstein, teller, oppenheimer, etc. By all means yes send us more people you don't want. And the fact that we have so many lazy immigrants that nobody wanted sorta explains why we have a trillion dollar economy and a GDP that's virtually double any other economy.


I was going to say lol!

Thanks for all those lazy/stupid Jews. They found a home here.


Posted by mndeg on Jun-30-2003 04:26:

whats cool is that online there are no anti american americans, all americans defend their own country


Posted by nic01445 on Jun-30-2003 04:33:

quote:
Originally posted by mndeg
whats cool is that online there are no anti american americans, all americans defend their own country


well, im not particularly happy with america. the topic "Americans the Big[g]est Freaks" targets all individual americans. i'm not defending all americans, just myself.


Posted by mndeg on Jun-30-2003 04:35:

a person from any other country would go like, well our country has this and this flaws
someone from usa would say something like your country sux (insert old stereotype) USA! USA!


Posted by davinox on Jun-30-2003 04:46:

quote:
Originally posted by Az
ok
over 11,000 people are murdered with guns each year in america
whereas the combined total for the UK, Germany, Australia and Canada is below 300....
Canada has a similar guns to home ratio as America, yet under 80 people are murdered by guns each year.
The government spends $300 billion (around about anyway) on 'defense', even though you already have the largest arsenal of weapons on the planet, and figures estimate it would only cost $10 billion to fix every school in the country to the required standard.

so theres 2 things, you don't educate the country properly, and you give the fucking retards semi automatic weapons to play with.



I'll replay to these points, since you whined about it.

quote:
Canada has a similar guns to home ratio as America, yet under 80 people are murdered by guns each year.


Canada also doesnt have large, concentrated cities like New York, Detriot, LA, Chicago, etc.
Murder rates are much higher in these conditions, where in many areas in the street you have to be packing a gun to defend yourself from gangs, muggings, etc.

quote:
The government spends $300 billion (around about anyway) on 'defense', even though you already have the largest arsenal of weapons on the planet, and figures estimate it would only cost $10 billion to fix every school in the country to the required standard.


This argument is frequently used and is ridiculous. We have the larget GNP by far of any other country, and likewise, the tax dollars are the largest of any country. The percent of the money that goes to our military is actually about average.

Yes our education system is not as good, we are a young country who has started from simple farm communities, a hundred years ago most people didnt go to school, but why hate america for that?


Posted by DaveSZ on Jun-30-2003 04:47:

quote:
Originally posted by mndeg
a person from any other country would go like, well our country has this and this flaws
someone from usa would say something like your country sux (insert old stereotype) USA! USA!


There are plenty of critics of the USA within the USA. How do you think we got to the point of those two recent landmark US supreme court decisions? People who just talk and don't act are a waste of space regardless of where they are from.



quote:
Originally posted by occrider
This thread is retarded.


Yes, and so is the thread author. I agree it does nothing but cause more division.

It deserves a smiley so hated by myself, that I rarely even use it:

>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<


Posted by Greedy on Jun-30-2003 05:03:

yea yea


Posted by destro on Jun-30-2003 05:25:

"a person from any other country would go like, well our country has this and this flaws
someone from usa would say something like your country sux (insert old stereotype) USA! USA!"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, this guy gay or what? go chat with your little junior high gossip girlfriends


Posted by nic01445 on Jun-30-2003 05:28:

quote:
Originally posted by destro
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, this guy gay or what? go chat with your little junior high gossip girlfriends


shut up n00b. i dont think "this guys" sexual orientation has anything to do with his post.


Posted by occrider on Jun-30-2003 05:34:

quote:
Originally posted by mndeg
whats cool is that online there are no anti american americans, all americans defend their own country


Dude take a trip to the polit forum if you think that ... and wtf, you're an american!!!

Don't think that you're special or something being an american critical of america.


Posted by occrider on Jun-30-2003 05:35:

quote:
Originally posted by mndeg
9/11 could of been EASILY prevented


Yes because things like those happen ALL the time


Posted by Greedy on Jun-30-2003 05:39:

i cant even remember the last time anyone thought their leader was a great man. . . .No matter who is president, hes gonna be criticized about everything. . .but deep down, how many of those that criticize would be willing to take such an office?


Posted by nic01445 on Jun-30-2003 05:44:

quote:
Originally posted by Busy Child
i cant even remember the last time anyone thought their leader was a great man. . . .No matter who is president, hes gonna be criticized about everything. . .but deep down, how many of those that criticize would be willing to take such an office?


why does it matter whether someone criticizing the president would be willing to take his place?


Posted by 69kAlikAdikA69 on Jun-30-2003 05:50:

ok, to the person and others who started this thread.. i dont know what nationalities you're derived from that makes you so much more intellectual than the average "stupid" American but shit, if your gonna bring up a highly controversial topic, at least SPELL RIGHT. theres nothing more stupid than trying to prove a point when you can't even spell. you remind me of some wetback mexican with a faint knowledge of ebonics... are you mexican ? seriously... you damn foreigners... just never learn.


Posted by TheTornado on Jun-30-2003 05:57:

quote:
Originally posted by occrider
Dude take a trip to the polit forum if you think that ... and wtf, you're an american!!!

Don't think that you're special or something being an american critical of america.


I really, truely think it's ok to be critical of the country you live in, so long as you just don't sit around and bitch. If you have a problem with something, get off your ass and fix it.

However, while I do think America has many flaws, I don't think I should be judged for it. Judge me as an individual, not by what President I have or by what some other idiots in the country I live in did. I don't go around saying every middle eastern person I see is a terrorist because some idiots attacked my country on 9/11. Just because a lot of people who do stupid stuff come from America does not mean every single American is like that.

I don't mean to sound patriotic, because I'm not necessarily proud to be from my country (I know we have done bad things in the past), but it's my two cents. Hate the system, not the individual.

"No matter what the name - we're all the same
Pieces in one big chess game"
- Public Enemy


Posted by trancEyes22 on Jun-30-2003 05:59:

quote:
Originally posted by 69kAlikAdikA69
ok, to the person and others who started this thread.. i dont know what nationalities you're derived from that makes you so much more intellectual than the average "stupid" American but shit, if your gonna bring up a highly controversial topic, at least SPELL RIGHT. theres nothing more stupid than trying to prove a point when you can't even spell. you remind me of some wetback mexican with a faint knowledge of ebonics... are you mexican ? seriously... you damn foreigners... just never learn.



LOL, yes it should be:

Americans: The Biggest Freaks Out There



i love when people try to make a valid point about someone else's stupidity when they can't even spell "biggest"


Posted by UWM on Jun-30-2003 06:00:

quote:
Originally posted by 69kAlikAdikA69
you remind me of some wetback mexican with a faint knowledge of ebonics... are you mexican ? seriously... you damn foreigners... just never learn.


It's comments like this that give the rest of us as Americans a bad reputation.


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