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I looked up some keys of my records in this thread en mixed them today --> harmonic offcourse.

I works fucking great and if i have some time this summer i will certainly search for more keys for my records or i'll try to find them myself.

The idea for a "key database" is great but how to "order" the database?
I hope Brian can script a descent database.
If you need help with PHP and MySQL PM me.

Maybe we can contact discogs.com
They already have a big database with lots and lots of records...

Where is it then ??

*nudge*

BUMPED again.

so ? what happened ?

Yey

It's finally done, folks. Sorry for the delay, but life kept getting in the way. It tends to do that. And then something bad happened to the server it ran on, so I had to deal with that for about a week, too.

Anyway, I just posted as much as was necessary to get it up as soon as possible. Many more improvements are on the way, and of course I'll also be adding many more tunes...possibly around 100 more or so within the next few weeks. Currently though there are 402 tracks, all of which came from mine and Nem's lists in this thread. Feel free to add ones from your own record cases if they aren't already in there.

Enjoy

� http://harmonics.defined.org/

Re: Yey

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Originally posted by brian It's finally done, folks. Sorry for the delay, but life kept getting in the way. It tends to do that. And then something bad happened to the server it ran on, so I had to deal with that for about a week, too. Anyway, I just posted as much as was necessary to get it up as soon as possible. Many more improvements are on the way, and of course I'll also be adding many more tunes...possibly around 100 more or so within the next few weeks. Currently though there are 402 tracks, all of which came from mine and Nem's lists in this thread. Feel free to add ones from your own record cases if they aren't already in there. Enjoy � http://harmonics.defined.org/

hey, nice site. im sure i speak for everyone when i say thanks for making it

nice site, starting submiting stuff people-who-know-how-to-key-their-tracks

idea for the next update: being able to surf through the database, maybe on alphabetical order..

awesome, thank you so much for making that site/ database.

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Originally posted by paranoik0 nice site, starting submiting stuff people-who-know-how-to-key-their-tracks idea for the next update: being able to surf through the database, maybe on alphabetical order..

That will actually be the next update, which will come quite soon Mayhaps tonight even...

Thanks for the comments folks, hope you all find it useful.

very nice indeed

glad you got it sorted mate. love the lay-out!!

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Originally posted by brian That will actually be the next update, which will come quite soon Mayhaps tonight even... Thanks for the comments folks, hope you all find it useful.

Hey dude,

I'm sure it's a pretty fine site... haven't had the time lately to check out the web. Lot's of things been happening. Will check it out when I get the chance.

Cheers
Nem

Harmonic Mixing Scares Me

This sounds badass. I hope I can do it though. I'll feel like a tool if I have to keep consulting databases to find out what key a track is in, and then look up what progressions are appropriate from the harmonic-mixing chart. But shit, I think I might be a tool for quite some time because this looks hard as hell. I mean, being able to hear a song and know what key it is being played in is something that can't be learned. I've played piano for almost 8 years now, I can play concert pieces, but if someone asks me to play a C# chord, I can't. I never bothered learning the theory...I might be paying the price now. I'm kind of afraid too since I'm not one of those people that can hear a chord played on the piano and tell you what it is. Shite, maybe I'm just not a true, natural musician?

I have to admit that I don't know that much music theory and you probably know more than me.
But I can hear what key a track goes in and I can also hear in my head what else would go with it... it's just a question of learning to think that way... (I think).

You don't have to use databases, they are just intended to help those that want to do it that way. You can mark your own records, and as long as you know how each record affects the other no biggie. It all comes if you practice enough. And it's all good fun.

Cheers
Nem

aye, maybe, but it's still intimidating. plus i've got the fear in me, what if i never learn to truly "hear" what key a track is in? i'm scared to pick it up now, cuz i don't know if any amount of practice can instill that ability into you, can it?

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Originally posted by Tegu aye, maybe, but it's still intimidating. plus i've got the fear in me, what if i never learn to truly "hear" what key a track is in? i'm scared to pick it up now, cuz i don't know if any amount of practice can instill that ability into you, can it?

Sure it can, though I'm sure there are varying degrees of such an ability. Even if you can successfully guess the key in your head, I can't imagine why anyone wouldn't want to verify on a piano/keyboard or whatever. That way, you get practice and accuracy.

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Originally posted by Tegu aye, maybe, but it's still intimidating. plus i've got the fear in me, what if i never learn to truly "hear" what key a track is in? i'm scared to pick it up now, cuz i don't know if any amount of practice can instill that ability into you, can it?

Dont stress over this, it's a proven musical fact that only a very small % of people (inculding music writers) can actually hear a chord and tell exactly the key being played...

but isn't that exactly what is required for successful harmonic mixing...i'd hate to always be dependent upon dabatases...plus it'd be hard to do an improv set.

Re: Yey

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Originally posted by brian It's finally done, folks. Sorry for the delay, but life kept getting in the way. It tends to do that. And then something bad happened to the server it ran on, so I had to deal with that for about a week, too. Anyway, I just posted as much as was necessary to get it up as soon as possible. Many more improvements are on the way, and of course I'll also be adding many more tunes...possibly around 100 more or so within the next few weeks. Currently though there are 402 tracks, all of which came from mine and Nem's lists in this thread. Feel free to add ones from your own record cases if they aren't already in there. Enjoy � http://harmonics.defined.org/

the link is dead??

Link is fine... it was my cable that was messed up before...

awesome website! Keep up the good work!

Harmonic mixing is great, and so easy as well (well, for me because I already know a bit about music). I use my guitar to find keys.

Only one thing bugs me though... these numbers. Like 11A or whatever, that are next to the keys? I know all my major and minor keys/scales, etc, but I don't know what the hell these numbers are on about. I know it doesn't affect me but hey, I'm curious...

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Originally posted by DjSimonB Only one thing bugs me though... these numbers. Like 11A or whatever, that are next to the keys? I know all my major and minor keys/scales, etc, but I don't know what the hell these numbers are on about. I know it doesn't affect me but hey, I'm curious...

http://www.harmonic-mixing.com/overview/easymix.mv
Take a look

I read this whole thread and still have a few questions. Someone asked somewhere back in the thread exactly what harmonic mixing is. I read the response to that question but still don't understand it. I bet I'm over thinking this.

Simply put, is harmonic mixing selecting two tracks that mix together with no tone and melody clashes? If you pick two tracks and they seem to sound out of tune or off in any other way, they don't harmonically work, am I right? However, if you select two tracks and they sound well when mixed without any clashes at all, this is harmonic mixing? This is generally what I do and have had no problems. If that is the case, why would knowing the key of each track be helpful?

I don't know, maybe I already perform harmonic mixing without realizing it. I do play two musical instruments and know the difference between in tune, out of tune, and key changes. Also, I spin progressive house. Most of the tunes listed in this thread relate to trance, so I'm thinking many of the responses also deal with trance. Is there a difference in harmonic mixing between the two genres?

i am also having a bit of understanding problems but i think i got it

I am trying to key out my tracks but i wanna be sure before i start doing it all wrong. I just have a hard time deciding whether it is in the key i think or it's relative minor or major.

Here is wut i mean concerning the track Dominion 11 hours:

original sounds to me to be in E minor (because the minors sound more in key)

z2 remix sounds to be in G major (because the majors sound better)

Am I doing this right? Are they different or are they both in Gmaj or E minor?

I am really keen on learning this so any help will be great

cheers....


Edit: I just tried to key out tiesto's barber's adagio for strings but i did not get anything close to the original: Bb minor

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Originally posted by DJ Intrigue I read this whole thread and still have a few questions. Someone asked somewhere back in the thread exactly what harmonic mixing is. I read the response to that question but still don't understand it. I bet I'm over thinking this. Simply put, is harmonic mixing selecting two tracks that mix together with no tone and melody clashes? If you pick two tracks and they seem to sound out of tune or off in any other way, they don't harmonically work, am I right? However, if you select two tracks and they sound well when mixed without any clashes at all, this is harmonic mixing? This is generally what I do and have had no problems. If that is the case, why would knowing the key of each track be helpful? I don't know, maybe I already perform harmonic mixing without realizing it. I do play two musical instruments and know the difference between in tune, out of tune, and key changes. Also, I spin progressive house. Most of the tunes listed in this thread relate to trance, so I'm thinking many of the responses also deal with trance. Is there a difference in harmonic mixing between the two genres?

Sounds like you probably do already.
It is as you say simply the science between finding out which tracks go together and which ones don't. It's all about harmony.
It will help looking into it a bit more. Sometimes you have records that you may not precieve as being compatible but once you find out the key you will know more about the different combinations that you can achieve with your records.
It also puts you in a situation where you will never have to put a record back in the box due to key clashes. Gives you more confidence too, you will know if a track will work or not.

Cheers
Nem

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Originally posted by xmotleyx i am also having a bit of understanding problems but i think i got it I am trying to key out my tracks but i wanna be sure before i start doing it all wrong. I just have a hard time deciding whether it is in the key i think or it's relative minor or major. Here is wut i mean concerning the track Dominion 11 hours: original sounds to me to be in E minor (because the minors sound more in key) z2 remix sounds to be in G major (because the majors sound better) Am I doing this right? Are they different or are they both in Gmaj or E minor? I am really keen on learning this so any help will be great cheers.... Edit: I just tried to key out tiesto's barber's adagio for strings but i did not get anything close to the original: Bb minor

Will look into this a bit more for you but incase you are wondering, the amount of tracks that actually go in a major key in trance music are very few and far between.

Cheers
Nem

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