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Originally posted by Endo Huh?? Sorry I'm a bit confused of what you're trying to say here... not trying to put down your post or anything, just trying to understand. Are you saying he's huge because the average joe doesn't notice his trainwrecks?

Not at all.
What I'm trying to say is that to be number one in anything it takes a lot of practice and screwing up.
The fact that 'someone' might have heard Tiesto screw up shouldn't be surprising; why should it be?
And just because he screwed up once or twice doesn't make him not deserve 1st place.
Sure there a elitest out there that just sit in the middle of the dancefloor just to critic the set (and that's you, I'll bump yea ) and lay claim they could hear that bad dog's ear frequency change but really, who cares about that?
He's number one for a reason.

Meh. Tiesto in 2001 and prior untouchable, Tiesto after 2002...meh. I was at that party in June of 2003 @ the Docks even though I wasn't going to go. Hix mixing was the kind that I've seen better from him, his track selection was good in that the tracks he chose were good ones but they didn't flow. He started off with a proggy house tune (Junkie XL - Red Pill blue pill) as his first tune and then drops nothing but trance afterwards then goes to prog again with Dirty sticky floors and then plays more trance then techno towards the end? I mean it makes no sense because he's just randomly switching between all the genres, there is no flow. Armin and Ferry are much better at keeping flow than Tijs is. When I saw Ferry @ Ultra Spin 2 he started off by dropping a proggy breaks tune because that was what James Holden was finishing off with and he kept it going...for a few more tunes until he slowly switched it up to his style and then he killed it. THAT is how progression should be done within a set. But if Tiesto makes people happy by playing any random tune thrown anywhere in a set then so be it...but anybody can do that no?




P.S Tiesto IS the one who got me into the music (Trance Energy 2000 and Innercity 2000) both sets are REALLY GOOD. So to anyone who says I don't know what Tiesto's style is about knows nothing about me.

Ive seen tiesto 7 times since 2001, and everytime he gets progresively worse. (track selection, mixing, interaction etc) with the exception of one show.
the sad thing is, Ill go see him again, because for all that I hate about him, he still does play pretty good music that I wont here on a big system for a big crowd for a while after that.
If tiesto were here one week, and another trance DJ the next, I would have no problem skipping Tiesto. but its a lack of real trance parties that keep me coming back to his mediocrity.

Best Tiesto Set - Live @ Dutch Dimension 02.02.02.
Best Tiesto Set *Witnessed* - Wintergalactic 2001 @ The Docks.

I think since his D.D set of 2002 he has gone down considerably. He just seems to have gotten too comfortable being recognized as the "number one" dj in the world, and thinks he doesnt have to try or be as creative as he once was.

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Originally posted by TECHno addict Best Tiesto Set *Witnessed* - Wintergalactic 2001 @ The Docks.

I was there for that one...have to agree that one was awesome

Tiesto is not the only big name DJ who's been screwing up lately, you know. Take Oakey for example. I'd say from 1986 to 2001 he was UNTOUCHABLE. Since Bunkka, I question him in almost exact same way I question Tiesto. Consider yourself.

I got an idea.

why not try to go to a party with a open mind and try to enjoy it??

Instead of worrying about track flow and how this progressive song does not mix well with the next techno song, seriously.

Its sad to see a lot of these topics lately

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Originally posted by dartrance I got an idea. why not try to go to a party with a open mind and try to enjoy it?? Instead of worrying about track flow and how this progressive song does not mix well with the next techno song, seriously. Its sad to see a lot of these topics lately

amen

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Originally posted by dartrance I got an idea. why not try to go to a party with a open mind and try to enjoy it?? Instead of worrying about track flow and how this progressive song does not mix well with the next techno song, seriously. Its sad to see a lot of these topics lately

I dont think its sad at all. And with the quality of dj's in the world today i think its our right to be picky and to find the things that go wrong (bad tracklist, mixing, etc.) in peticular sets. An average night of partying for me costs close to $100, and for that kind of money damn right im going to expect the dj to perform at a level of my satisfaction. If i can go to System on a resident night to hear one of the MANY local talents who pour all of their effort into sets on a weekly basis, then when a dj (like Tiesto) comes to town....he better bring his A-game, if not.....you'll hear me raise a stink no doubt.

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Originally posted by High on PSI amen

I second that

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Originally posted by Cyrus King I second that

Notice its all the tranceheads that are the ones to disregard mixing and just enjoy a party for what its worth. Is that a coincidence!?

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Originally posted by dartrance I got an idea. why not try to go to a party with a open mind and try to enjoy it?? Instead of worrying about track flow and how this progressive song does not mix well with the next techno song, seriously. Its sad to see a lot of these topics lately

hmmm...fyi, you're on tranceaddict.com. it's expected of all members to find fault in everything.

THE CUP IS HALF EMPTY

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hmmm...fyi, you're on tranceaddict.com. it's expected of all members to find fault in everything.

nah, just the ppl who have been around forever. It's music, why say we cannot say something sucks...that's censorship imo.

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Originally posted by StereoPrincess You should add that this is only your opinion. Its flawed to say that he is the only DJ that can do that in the world. To me he is not even close to bringing a theme in his sets. And Cyrus King, you forget that the DVD was shot in 2001, its 2004 now. Tiesto was much better in those days. You keep on bringing up that eventho I may not like Tiesto I still dance to the music. I was at that party to see Moby and David Bowie do a live preformance. Seeing Tiesto, Digweed, and Carl Cox was just a bonus! The fact that they video taped me for the DVD was even a bigger bonus, but when I actually saw Another Day At the Office, my opinion of Tiesto changed for the worst. You can tell that he is all about the fame, the money and the awards. Way to egocentric for my liking.

ACTUALLY, it was shot in the in the last 6 months of 2002, and since we're just beginning 2004, we're only talking about 18 months.

And how exactly is Tiesto egocentric? He always strikes me as a little uncomfortable with all the fame and publicity, but he lets all that go when he's on the decks.

most deejays get nailed for the egocentric after deejaying because of what they do. Dave Clarke is one....then again....he is a pompous ass.

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Originally posted by Magnetonium Tiesto is not the only big name DJ who's been screwing up lately, you know. Take Oakey for example. I'd say from 1986 to 2001 he was UNTOUCHABLE. Since Bunkka, I question him in almost exact same way I question Tiesto. Consider yourself.

But unlike Tiesto, Oakey went off and produced a fucking rap track with Ice Cube...Oakey also produced such shit as Starry Eyed Surprise. Oakey rarely plays at recognised clubs these days. Tiesto is ALWAYS on the road, and even though the music has changed a bit, he STILL has stuck with the club scene (somewhat undeground compared to mainstream...at least here in North America), and he still consistently plays the both the biggest tracks and unkown tracks (like this Fairlight Distriction track he's been playing and it's SWEET!).

Oakey totally sold out...Tiesto hasn't gotten to that point yet and I don't think he ever will. His fame has brought him more attention, but he's still doing roughly the same things he was always doing...producing, remixing, releasing mix cds and touring the world extensively playing the latest stuff.

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Originally posted by torontotrance most deejays get nailed for the egocentric after deejaying because of what they do. Dave Clarke is one....then again....he is a pompous ass.

Tiesto isn't a pompous ass at all, though he can get moody if the equipment is shoddy. He was pissed at the Guv in December 2002 and his most recent Gatecrasher set at NEC too...that kind of stuff puts him in a bad mood that likely won't go away for the rest of his gig. That's why he walked off early in TO in December 2002.

But he always takes the time to sign things, and he's cool with his fans the majority of the time with pictures, etc. You should read all the good stories on www.tiesto.com

but there was no sound issues with the equipment or was there. Luke Fair was the opening dj if I remember correctly, he jumps off the stage and I asked him, what's the sound like, he goes it's good. Tiesto was tired that night after his gig to montreal and decided to cut his set short (hence why deko-ze was called to help). He played poorly and taking out your anger on the clubbers who pay to see you (i recall the ticket prices, koolhaus was rammed) and playing 3 hrs instead of 4 hrs.

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Originally posted by torontotrance but there was no sound issues with the equipment or was there. Luke Fair was the opening dj if I remember correctly, he jumps off the stage and I asked him, what's the sound like, he goes it's good. Tiesto was tired that night after his gig to montreal and decided to cut his set short (hence why deko-ze was called to help). He played poorly and taking out your anger on the clubbers who pay to see you (i recall the ticket prices, koolhaus was rammed) and playing 3 hrs instead of 4 hrs.

well, he played just a little short of 3.5 hours actually...from 1:50 to 5:20 approximately. But don't you remember when the sound stopped? The CD player he was using over heated, and one of the turntables was skipping on him...he was tired, yes, but he was also pissed off about the equipment. I saw him complaining to that manager (he's always on the stage) more than once and I was right at the front. Most Dj's will just work with what they've got and don't flip out (like Ferry), but Tiesto wants everything to be right and I don't blame him. He wants to put on a good show.

i do remember that but I do remember the poor performance he put on. I've held it against him for a while, sure I bet I will bashed for this but the amount of money that ppl paid and his attitude that night was pathetic. I mean nothing is ever perfect with equipment but he sure showed how bad he was that night. Sure if shit blows up then you can't do it but I would have played my 4 hrs then never played the place again (which he has not played since). PvD pulled the same stunt in 2001 with Charles K (Oct 2001) and he never played till just recently. I've always had a problem with deejays that have to have everything just perfect or hell breaks loose. I was there that night and I view it as even if everything was perfect that night, his performance would have been poor. He said in interviews that it was his worst time period but if you don't really want to dj and be there, why be there. Sure tiesto is human but his attitude showed that night.

Any DJ who makes the money that these guys do, Tiesto included, needs to put on a near flawless performance.
Which is near impossible.
Which means that DJs should not be making the money that they do nowadays.

Because isn't it about the music???

It is about the music but when the person playing the music is mad and not giving it 100%, you start to ask questions about it. I heard how much he made for that night and I still do not get it. For that price, you deserved better. Just my 2 cents

regards
TTA

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Originally posted by torontotrance i do remember that but I do remember the poor performance he put on. I've held it against him for a while, sure I bet I will bashed for this but the amount of money that ppl paid and his attitude that night was pathetic. I mean nothing is ever perfect with equipment but he sure showed how bad he was that night. Sure if shit blows up then you can't do it but I would have played my 4 hrs then never played the place again (which he has not played since). PvD pulled the same stunt in 2001 with Charles K (Oct 2001) and he never played till just recently. I've always had a problem with deejays that have to have everything just perfect or hell breaks loose. I was there that night and I view it as even if everything was perfect that night, his performance would have been poor. He said in interviews that it was his worst time period but if you don't really want to dj and be there, why be there. Sure tiesto is human but his attitude showed that night.

that was one bad performance in Toronto out of how many though? His set in June was one to remember, as was his set in October 2001, and Wintergalatic 2001...

I wasn't at Area2 so I can't speak for that performance, but the general understanding is that Tiesto has ABSOLUTELY blown the house off in TO every gig he has done (6 or 7 in total I believe) except in Dec 2002. You can't expect him to perfect every night.

No I don't but I expect him to put out 100% regardless, hell I expect all deejays to put out 100% effort, if you sound like fucking hell then you sound like fucking hell but at least you tried. That was my original point, just give an effort and at least you tried but he did not try, the look on the face suggested he rather curl up in a hole and hide. I've never denied that he tore the roof off the koolhaus in 2001, which was one of the greatest sets of alltime. The demeaner showed tho, he put the effort in 2001 but not 2002. Hopefully in 2004, he will put out the effort and we shall see.

Hmmm

Once again to different people it is different. As for me it doesn't matter how good dj is spinning and what is the quality of his mixing if the dj is boring or spins boring tracks. I will just start yawning.

Again to tiesto making money and selling out, well, it is his job, he can allow himself to ask so much money for the night and people will still pack the club. I would do exactly the same thing. If there is chance to make money why would you spin for 3 000 bucks a night if you can make 30 000. As to his performance on Dec 2002, well, he was tired, he felt exausted and it was fine with me. I understand that the other people were disappointed. I partied that night and I have a good memories about that night.

As to his new style, well, I am up for it. It doesn't destroy the flow for me. It is surprising and I like what he does with his sets. He said in the interviews so many times that he does it on purpose to create new sound and I think (again I think) he succeeds in what he does. He said he will not go back to his old style... People go to his parties, he has no need to go back to his old style. Every night, doesn't matter where he spins is overpacked... thats a good factor for a dj.

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