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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Torontotrance, you really should shut up with your elitist bullshit. As for everyone else, what is so bad about being able to clearly tell what you're listening to? Trance is a massive genre, and defining it more clearly is no bad thing. That's the point of Ishkur's guide.

who the fuck asked you? As if I'm going to listen to a clueless 15 yr old noobie.

This thing will be massive and I wonder if you can really cover the genre in a paragraph because so much is complicated and complex. This might take ages to complete but as for a better guide than Ishkur.i'm all for it.

ill try to pitch in some of my knowledge too :P everyone should help.. and not bash each other. after all we dont get shit from flaming each other. (aside from other ppl on here who loves to boost their "internet-based ego"

No one needs an electronic dance music guide to tell them what music is what. You can tell by ear. Quit cavorting with your genres and subgenres. Theres 6 genres:

Trance
Techno
Breaks
Ambient
DNB
Psyche

The reason for this is that each of these genres sound significantly different enough from the others to count as its own genre. And I by no means have engraved this into stone, its just something broad enough to go by. Anything broader would be 2 genres: 4-on-4, and Other.

House?
Jungle?
Tribal House?
Hard House?


your 6 genres is weak

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Originally posted by torontotrance it's not just techno....you've never tried me on anything else marcus....lol...my knowledge surprises most...lol...and music is not the only thing I know...rofl...I'm the person you can take anywhere..ballet....art gallery and I probably know as much as most and can argue my points...lol...not my fault...god blessed me with a memory bank.

Wow.

the lame colombian thought it was a joke

it was not anything elite

I know a lot...too much reading as a youngster and never forgot anything...rediculous.

Art gallery yes
ballet yes

I like to view myself as cultured

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Originally posted by torontotrance House? Jungle? Tribal House? Hard House? your 6 genres is weak

My bad I forgot house. Silly me, 7 genres it is.

Anyway, jungle falls under DNB. Do you really think tribal house and hard house are their own genres? Theyre simply subgenres of house. The way your system works, you'd have to include all 4 billion subgenres of each genre, even the small regional ones like, hypothetically, Ohio Eggplant Harvest House.

but there are people who view drum n bass and jungle as different and other genres

it's complicated as I said earlier

you could have genres or something.....dunno what the fuck they would be.

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Originally posted by torontotrance but there are people who view drum n bass and jungle as different and other genres it's complicated as I said earlier you could have genres or something.....dunno what the fuck they would be.

Thats where subgenres come in. You could have for instance:

DNB
- Jungle
- Atmospheric DNB
- Jazzy DNB
- Funky DNB
- Etc.

yes but the purists argue that jungle is different and not under dnb but I see your point.

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Originally posted by torontotrance This thing will be massive and I wonder if you can really cover the genre in a paragraph because so much is complicated and complex. This might take ages to complete but as for a better guide than Ishkur.i'm all for it.

First, my guide is not going to be better than Ishkur's because of one little detail: our guides will focus the music in completely different ways. His guide is a very-well made critic on the genres as a whole. I, on the other hand, I'm trying to do something more "educational" but with a little humour every now and then so it doesn't sound too boring.

Also, I'll look for the balance between simplifying and giving details. I'm not gonna list every genre out there, as some are important only for elitists; however, I shall try to explore the largest possible amount of different sounds, so readers would know what's going on in the evolution of electronic dance music as a whole.

By the way, peacemakes: if you want to list just the genres...
Pre-disco edm
ambient
noise
disco
house
techno
trance
psy-trance/goa
hardcore
d'n'b
industrial
breaks (hip hop included)
... see, there's a lot more to explore.

Obviously, if I break this down and list just 5 sub-genres of each genre, I would have 60 different sub-genres

Hey I like all electronic so Im not to worried about what it is exactally but i will say that in that guide I have read it a few times i agree with some stuff but the main thing I do agree with is the 7 SUB genres of electronic:

-HOUSE
-TRANCE
-TECHNO
-BREAKBEAT
-JUNGLE
-HARDCORE
-DOWNTEMPO

Each have a different sound to the music and revolve around anything we listen to as electronic fans mix then together and you can have sub genres and such or add to then different flare but I believe that those 7 are still the basics.Sure there is a list of yes 50++ sub genres but I think if you need a genere for something pick on of those that stands out to you most in the song your listening to, Im sure you'll be save with that and Im sure it with save time trying to draw it out with 2 or more different combos of music.

Just my opinion

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Originally posted by Lira By the way, peacemakes: if you want to list just the genres... Pre-disco edm ambient noise disco house techno trance psy-trance/goa hardcore d'n'b industrial breaks (hip hop included) ... see, there's a lot more to explore.

You're right, theres more that I overlooked, but I'm just talking about what the majority of folks on this board listen to. However I wouldnt consider hip hop as a part of breaks. True, they started out on the same tip, but then in the same fashion you'd have to call everything you listed merely as techno or disco, you see? I would say modern day hip hop is its own genre; you speak of the old school breakdancing in dimly-lit, abondoned warehouses populated by thirty or so b-boys.

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Originally posted by mndeg silly junior ta

I haven't been called a junior TA in ages!

Hmm, not only are you a custom status whore, but a blind one as well... I suggest you look more carefully before passing judgment.

insert generic witty comment about how i am right here
you said jungle was sped up breaks, thats pretty much all that needs to be said

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Originally posted by mndeg insert generic witty comment about how i am right here you said jungle was sped up breaks, thats pretty much all that needs to be said

I said that I would include breaks and jungle as one genre, because, unlike other forms of EDM, they don't have a 4/4 beat. It is a perfectly reasonable argument. If you don't agree with it, that's fine. Instead, you are making personal attacks. Hope you are proud of yourself.

I don't intend to get into a lengthy discussion here, so I bid farewell to this thread.

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Originally posted by torontotrance the lame colombian thought it was a joke it was not anything elite I know a lot...too much reading as a youngster and never forgot anything...rediculous. Art gallery yes ballet yes I like to view myself as cultured

actually i never said it was a joke, i said the amazing thing is that you were being serious. if it was a joke, then it would be funny, but you were being serious and that's why it classifies as the most arrogant statement ever

People, please don't fight!

It's obvious if there was an easy answer we would have arrived at a rational conclusion by now. But like interpreting the Bible, it's not.

NO PERSONAL ATTACKS, that just ruins what should be a polite discussion and gets people mad over petty things. Do something nice, help an old lady cross the street, teach a young lad or lass how to beatmix!

Thank you.

tta: even the most educated and cultured people I know don't talk like you do. People who talk much usually don't know much. They are just trying to look like they do

btw. what have ballet or art gallery have to do with this topic? Shall we all start listing what we know or are good at?
What you said was so ridiculous !

as i stated much much earlier

what makes you think I give a fucking rat's ass what the colombian fatass (the master) says...

see some of us are good at many things

some people like the master are good at nothing..and useless and a total drain to society.

could someone please fill me in, I must have missed the memo:

when was I ever considered an authority on electronic music!?

No No No

this started with some asswipe claiming that you knew more than anyone on TA, which sparked rampant debate (me being one of them). So flames and flames happened and then the master provoking crap as he usually does...just ignore it

it was ta talking about making our guide (without all the jokes) and it is not going to work....too many lameass idiots on the board.

Subgenres are really useless. I just say Techno, Trance, Goa, Breakbeat. That's enough.

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