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Originally posted by Jayx1 club OWNERS being charged... again my point is that PATRONS cant be charged...

do you really want your boss to get charged everytime a ****** listens to your advice? Isn't that your paycheck you are fucking with?

oh man... DO I HAVE TO KEEP EXPLAINING THIS? yes patrons can be kicked out which is why if you are smoking and security asks you to put it out... PUT IT OUT!

I suggest you reread what i have said.... im not going to keep repeating myself

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Originally posted by timmyboy but patrons can be kicked out

Or not let into the club at all...or have their cigarettes confiscated before they walk in...

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Originally posted by Jayx1 I suggest you reread what i have said.... im not going to keep repeating myself

good, then stop.

I think it's funny that he's threatening to stop repeating himself, even though I think he's done it well over 10 times already. I don't know how many times he can restate his same point without bringing up anything new/relevant/important/mildly interesting.

its only because people keep restating the same thing over again. Go back and read the whole thread and you will see the pattern.

then why do you bother replying?

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Originally posted by Jayx1 How many times must i repeat this for you to get it?

The point is, there shouldn't be even a thought process as to start a smoke up only to 'test' the system.

It should be a no brainer, like putting on a selt belt while in the car...

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Originally posted by starsearcher Or not let into the club at all...or have their cigarettes confiscated before they walk in...

I dont think anyone can confiscate your pack before you walk into any club. Why? because its not illegal to possess and most clubs do have patio or will let patrons go outside to smoke. Nice try though doorknob.

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Originally posted by Rodrico I dont think anyone can confiscate your pack before you walk into any club. Why? because its not illegal to possess and most clubs do have patio or will let patrons go outside to smoke. Nice try though doorknob.

ever try to get into a club with a bottle of water? a pop? can't do it.

Jay, it's not so much that you were pointing out a loophole, you were preaching a logical loophole, which this one is not. it's just plain stupid. close this thread, and start a more interesting debate.

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Originally posted by Skipper ever try to get into a club with a bottle of water? a pop? can't do it.

Actually I have, so yes it is possible. And the reasons why they wont let people come into clubs with bottle of waters, or pop is far different than the reasons for having a pack of smokes on you (I am not in the mood to explain, so if you cant figure it out, step away from the computer and resume to eating those paint chips in the backyard you dumb fuckin shit *general comment to everyone btw*). So once again, no, they will not confiscate your smokes, anyone who thinks they will be, is an outright twit. No club should enforce such a rule aslong as they have patios or areas designated outside for smoking, the only place you should enforce those rules is inside a club and if that person is directly violating said given rule.


Here comes a rant....

Do you people really think that cops are gonna come outta their way to help a health inspector fine you for a by-law, when they know they cant even make you produce an ID. Most cops have better things to do with their life then to chase the dreaded "smoker"...."ooooh save me save me officer, hes killing me with second hand smoke!" *screams like a little girl* Bunch of fuckin pansies on here. If I was a cop, I know I would smack you across the face with my nightstick and tell you to go suck on your momma's titty. Come back to me with a real infraction of the law.

I think the thread starter is just arguing semantics. Which is ok sometimes but who cares in this case?? (It just drives people nuts...) Meh, you're examining something that has no real relevance for people. Why not put your efforts towards something that REALLY matters instead of something stupid like this?

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Originally posted by Rodrico So once again, no, they will not confiscate your smokes, anyone who thinks they will be, is an outright twit.

I remember back in the day in some all ages clubs they confiscated cigarettes from everyone.. and even if it was illegal for them to do this, what was a smoker gonna do, say no and walk in anyway?

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Originally posted by Rodrico Do you people really think that cops are gonna come outta their way to help a health inspector fine you for a by-law, when they know they cant even make you produce an ID. Most cops have better things to do with their life then to chase the dreaded "smoker"...."ooooh save me save me officer, hes killing me with second hand smoke!" *screams like a little girl* Bunch of fuckin pansies on here. If I was a cop, I know I would smack you across the face with my nightstick and tell you to go suck on your momma's titty. Come back to me with a real infraction of the law.

Obviously cops aren't going to "chase after" smokers !!! The business owners will not let you smoke, and thier staff with enforce it. Just like they do not let under age people in incase the liquor inspector comes, except smoking is more obvious and will be enforced more often.

So it's day 2 of non-smoking? How is it going everyone??

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Originally posted by Rodrico Here comes a rant.... Do you people really think that cops are gonna come outta their way to help a health inspector fine you for a by-law, when they know they cant even make you produce an ID. Most cops have better things to do with their life then to chase the dreaded "smoker"...."ooooh save me save me officer, hes killing me with second hand smoke!" *screams like a little girl* Bunch of fuckin pansies on here. If I was a cop, I know I would smack you across the face with my nightstick and tell you to go suck on your momma's titty. Come back to me with a real infraction of the law.

pfff!!! LOL! omg ... you ARE sick!
like i said in the other thread, i think you need your brain examined!

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Originally posted by PartEgurl Obviously cops aren't going to "chase after" smokers !!! The business owners will not let you smoke, and thier staff with enforce it.

Thanks for the tip Captain Obvious!

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Just like they do not let under age people in incase the liquor inspector comes, except smoking is more obvious and will be enforced more often.

Wow, more regurgitated posts from earlier in the thread. I hope your not trying to "inform" me of something new here. I dont care for you and Jayx1 arguements, so leave me outta them.

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Originally posted by Superstar I remember back in the day in some all ages clubs they confiscated cigarettes from everyone.. and even if it was illegal for them to do this, what was a smoker gonna do, say no and walk in anyway?

Gee, I wonder why? hey kiddo, do us a favor, let the grow ups talk.

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Originally posted by disko-kandi pfff!!! LOL! omg ... you ARE sick! like i said in the other thread, i think you need your brain examined!

You know you love it. wait a minute, you said I needed my brain examined in another thread? oh your so dead! *searches for his nightstick*

***BTW, I am building up my post count, so dont bother me with the idea of putting all my posts into one big post, I already know.

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Originally posted by Rodrico Gee, I wonder why? hey kiddo, do us a favor, let the grow ups talk.

heh.. alright there "grow up", talk away!

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Originally posted by Superstar heh.. alright there "grow up", talk away!

nice nice.

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SMOKERS WHO REFUSE TO GIVE ID CAN'T BE CHARGED By KEVIN CONNOR, TORONTO SUN THE CITY'S new smoking bylaw has no teeth and isn't being enforced, bar staff say. Bar and restaurant staff who phoned the city's new smoking inspectors' hotline to report the bylaw was being broken were told to call the police. "I was told to treat someone smoking in my establishment like you would a drunk and call the police. This is par for the course. It's the city," Vic Salerno, owner of Upfront Bar and Grill, said yesterday after calling inspectors to say the bylaw was being broken in his pub. The city has assigned eight bylaw inspectors to enforce the smoking prohibition, which went into effect at midnight on June 1. Other inspectors are supposed to enforce the bylaw as part of their daily routine. But they aren't responding to calls. "If we find someone smoking, they don't have to give us any ID like they would for the police. We can't charge them if we don't know their name," said smoking bylaw inspector John Coleman. REFUSAL TO DO THE JOB "If people want something done to stop someone from smoking they will have to phone the police and, honestly, I don't know if they would come." Cops will not be enforcing the municipal smoking bylaw, said Toronto Police spokesman Const. Kristine Bacharach. "It's the bylaw officers' job to enforce this bylaw, which doesn't appear to be thought through," Bacharach said. A person who illegally lights a smoke is liable to be fined $255 -- a $205 fine, plus a $50 victim surcharge for the first offence. Repeat offenders could face fines of up to $5,000. "There already is a lot less smoking in bars. Some folks are thumbing their nose at us but we will get to them," said Joe Mihevc, chairman of the Toronto Board of Health. "We need to find a balance without being heavy-handed and let people get their heads around this. "The best bylaws happen with education. There is a curve here and we will meet the curve."

Ive highlighted the sections that prove my case...

I rest my case.....

Oh and one more for those who don't think this affects business.

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Irish law hurts pubs Associated Press DUBLIN PUBS are losing customers because of Ireland's decision to ban smoking from workplaces, the main bar owners' association said yesterday. Business has slipped from 12% to 15% since smoking was banned in pubs on March 29, said Donall O'Keeffe, chief executive of the Licenced Vintners Association, which represents about 700 pubs in the capital. "We expected April to be very bad and things to improve. That hasn't happened and is of great concern to us," O'Keeffe said. "While the impact is not totally uniform across Dublin pubs, make no mistake about it, the smoking ban is having a serious financial impact."

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