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Originally posted by LuNaSeA and where do you get Your news, mr. high and mighty?

I use multiple sources, unlike most here, from the left to the right, I avoid op ed's pieces because that is purely opinion, unfortunately most news has become one big op ed section. So my news sources vary. There was actually a very good study done on news bias, and the findings would surprise you. It basically shows that most news outlets are far from where the country is in terms of opinion. Heres a very interesting study done by UCLA /Stanford/University of Chicago. It uses scientific means to show how liberal or conservative a news outlet is, I suggest you read it.

http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cach...Report%3F&hl=en

Once again facts are truth not opinion.


Mizzuno

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Originally posted by trancinchink ok i'm tired of u saying all ur crap man. i have read through every single review and editorial that has BASHED the movie and called it full of lies. Out of every one of those, there have been approximately 3 or 4 parts of the movie which they keep saying is lies. 4 parts out of what.... a 2 hour and 20 minute movie? so please stfu because "most" of the movie is NOT false. if it were how come more examples weren't brought up about its lies and inaccuracy. please enlighten u fucking tard. p.s. go ahead and vote for bush in november, you'll only be supporting the downfall of this country. have you noticed that after bush has taken office that more and more people hate americans. yes, they hate us because the actions taken by our current office has been reckless and ridiculous. you know which part of that "inaccurate" movie hit me the hardest. when all those african americans stood up there asking for one signature. shows how unfair and biased our system still is.....

You certainly know how to show your own ignorance, once again opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. While its great to know you have an opinion, present some facts, then we can debate them line by line, As to your comment of "hating americans", last i looked the terrorist attacks were coordinated when everyone "loved" us.

Mizzz1

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Originally posted by DR86 well considering one is fascist and the other is communist...wouldn't Mizzuno be REALLY conflicted?

Again a nice but totally inaccurate depiction of the truth, While it is true that Fox is moreconservative than the mainstream media, CNN is most watched and considered to be extremely liberal, so get your facts straight:

http://people-press.org/reports/dis...p3?ReportID=215

One other thing I suggest you take a poly sci course because fascism and communism are complete opposites.


Mizzuno

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Originally posted by mizzuno I use multiple sources, unlike most here, from the left to the right, I avoid op ed's pieces because that is purely opinion, unfortunately most news has become one big op ed section. So my news sources vary. There was actually a very good study done on news bias, and the findings would surprise you. It basically shows that most news outlets are far from where the country is in terms of opinion. Heres a very interesting study done by UCLA /Stanford/University of Chicago. It uses scientific means to show how liberal or conservative a news outlet is, I suggest you read it. http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cach...Report%3F&hl=en Once again facts are truth not opinion. Mizzuno

News are bias, op-ads are the truth...thought you should have known that already?

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Originally posted by DanAX News are bias, op-ads are the truth...thought you should have known that already?

First off its op-eds which means op=opinion ed=editorials, hence opinions, if opinions are truth to you then i'm happy you're not a scientist.


Mizzuno

mizzuno... be sure to post a pic on the thread so i can smack you if i ever bump into you in manhattan.

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Originally posted by trancinchink mizzuno... be sure to post a pic on the thread so i can smack you if i ever bump into you in manhattan.

I ain't no little runt either!

http://us.f1.yahoofs.com/users/d87da16a/bc/1d65/__sr_/7f45.jpg?phfpZ4ABS7Sc9PNS

On da right.....

mizzuno

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Originally posted by mizzuno I bet you watch comedy central for your news...

Its more factually correct than most our news sources in the country, so why not?

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Originally posted by Stassi Its more factually correct than most our news sources in the country, so why not?

And you're an expert in what exactly?



mizz

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Originally posted by mizzuno Again a nice but totally inaccurate depiction of the truth, While it is true that Fox is moreconservative than the mainstream media, CNN is most watched and considered to be extremely liberal, so get your facts straight: http://people-press.org/reports/dis...p3?ReportID=215 One other thing I suggest you take a poly sci course because fascism and communism are complete opposites. Mizzuno

that's exactly what i was getting at, genius. look at a political spectrum. the more to the left you go, the closer you are to communism. the more to the right you go, the closer you are to fascism. you're messed up. CNN is supposed to be very liberal, hence the "communism" label i gave it. Fox is supposed to very conservative, hence the "fascist" label i gave it. I don't even understand what you're getting at in that post.

stop trying to look like such a hotshot by posting all of these websites when they have no relevance.

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Originally posted by DR86 that's exactly what i was getting at, genius. look at a political spectrum. the more to the left you go, the closer you are to communism. the more to the right you go, the closer you are to fascism. you're messed up. CNN is supposed to be very liberal, hence the "communism" label i gave it. Fox is supposed to very conservative, hence the "fascist" label i gave it. I don't even understand what you're getting at in that post. stop trying to look like such a hotshot by posting all of this websites when they have no relevance.

First off who are you to judge relevance, secondly, its a far cry to call CNN communist and fox fascist, a bit of an extreme analogy if you ask me.


So i guess you're an extremist...

Mizzzuno

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Originally posted by mizzuno First off who are you to judge relevance, secondly, its a far cry to call CNN communist and fox fascist, its bit of an extreme analogy if you ask me. Mizzzuno

i was trying to use hyperbole for comedic effect. i admit, it fell throufh.

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Originally posted by mizzuno First off who are you to judge relevance, secondly, its a far cry to call CNN communist and fox fascist, a bit of an extreme analogy if you ask me. So i guess you're an extremist... Mizzzuno

first off, who are you to judge me? i'm hardly an extremist. also, why did you edit your post?

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Originally posted by DR86 that's exactly what i was getting at, genius. look at a political spectrum. the more to the left you go, the closer you are to communism. the more to the right you go, the closer you are to fascism. you're messed up. CNN is supposed to be very liberal, hence the "communism" label i gave it. Fox is supposed to very conservative, hence the "fascist" label i gave it. I don't even understand what you're getting at in that post. stop trying to look like such a hotshot by posting all of these websites when they have no relevance.

Lets extrapolate that logic further..then Kerry is a communist and bush is a facist?

uhhh

Mizzz

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Originally posted by mizzuno Lets extrapolate that logic further..then Kerry is a communist and bush is a facist? uhhh Mizzz

trying reading the response i made re: IT WAS A JOKE! fuck.

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Originally posted by DR86 first off, who are you to judge me? i'm hardly an extremist. also, why did you edit your post?

i edited my post because i wanted to edit it...

I didn't judge you...i just called you an etremist because yopuare taking an extreme position..ie...find me a mojority that feels CNN is communist or that fox is fascist....an extreme statement...


mizz

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Originally posted by DR86 trying reading the response i made re: IT WAS A JOKE! fuck.

fair enough....inflection cannot be divined from forum posts unless you use a smiley of some sort...

Mizz

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Originally posted by mizzuno fair enough....inflection cannot be divined from forum posts unless you use a smiley of some sort... Mizz

fine. i'll make a note to do so.

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Originally posted by DR86 omg. do you read posts above yours? READ POSTS ABOVE YOURS.

we are trading comments out of sync...


Mizzuno

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Originally posted by mizzuno we are trading comments out of sync... Mizzuno

yes we are. i just deleted that post cause it looked really stupid, lol.

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Originally posted by DR86 yes we are. i just deleted that post cause it looked really stupid, lol.

:-D

mizz

Interesting commentary from both sides in this thread. I saw the movie - I can not and will not derive my opinion on the current politics of our nation on a Michael Moore film alone. Frankly though about the point that has been raised that is he only inciting opinion amongst his audiences and that isn't offering any solutions to our current sad state of affairs in the world - I have this to say - why should he be expected to offer solutions - that is not his job nor his area/field of expertise - he is not a politician, government official, legislator, judge, or anything of the sort - he is a Hollywood documentary filmmaker. One point of issue about the Bush admin that Moore never even raised in the movie - is their role in the matters of the environment, both in the U.S. and the entire planet, I mean come on people you are never going to see a Bush campaign ad about how he has done a good, meritable amount of work concerning this area of government - except for that bullshit wetland ad - what a crock. All those cronies in the EPA, the Secretary of the Interior - the ultra witch Gale Norton (who has argued against and tried to undermine the Endangered Species Act), Ann Veneman - who is Secretary Of the Department of Agriculture (more like the Department of Agribusiness) - there is a reason - there is no spin factor here for the media to make Bush and his admin smell like roses.
Also, Mizzz, you are one of the oldskool TAs, and usually u r pretty accurate as far as facts go - however I am gonna have to say your quite false on one point you made on page 2 of this thread - the highest income tax bracket is not ppl who make more than 80k as u put it:

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Originally posted by mizzuno Billionaires??, what are you talking about, lets start presenting facts here, there is not a billionaire tax bracket, the highest tax bracket starts at 80,000, hardly "rich", then you must take into account where you live in the country, for example I live in NY where 80k gets you no where , in fact 150k is just enough to make it without living paycheck to paycheck, so lets get something straight, when we talk about "the rich" its anyone making over 80k. There aren't many billionaires in the world let alone the US, the highest concentration is actually in Moscow. And you seem to have this aversion to corporations, aren't these the same corporations that employ the citizens of the US, I think you're in a catch 22 with that arguement, in my opinion its more a symbiosis. That graph is largely irrelevant, as the top 50% of wage earners pay almost 97% of the taxes, I think thats a bit disparate, for most socialists or quasi socialists, redistribution of wealth is the norm, I believe we tried that experiment over 40 years and it didn't work out so well. Please keep the facts coming... Mizzuno

Here is link direct from the IRS: http://www.irs.gov/formspubs/articl...=109877,00.html
And another thing, I have no problem with corporations as long as they are ethical - as we have seen for years though, many aren't -Enron - being a great example - whose ex-chairman Kenneth "Kenny-Boy" Lay was a great contributor to Bush's 2000 (and now also 2004) campaign - Bush denied even knowing who he was when the scandal first broke out - which made no point since there were pictures from gatherings previous to the scandal's breakout of them together in said pictures. And also I am concerned with the idea of Cheney using executive privilege to block court injunctions and such to try and get the Energy Commission material released to the public - I don't believe a vice president should have the authority to do such and maybe I am overstating myself I doubt he has that legal authority. It helps that Bush, his pal is the executive branch of our country, and also that the Supreme Court is and will be for awhile longer in their favor.

Ahh a breath of fresh air, thank you for correcting me, I seriously thought 80k was the top tax bracket, although i still stand by my statement that, to the majority of the country 80k is "rich" by their standards, seeing as that 47,000 is the median family income. I guess my point is that its all relative, if you live is mississippi then 80k is rich, if you live in NY then you're just getting by. An d as far as Cheney using executive privilage, I believe Clinton invoked the same when he conferred with "outsiders". I believe the crux of the issue has to do with the fact that people would not want to give advice if their confidentiality were compromised, so i think it has to do with setting that precedent. As far as Moore is concerned he became a political figure once he entered the arena and said his goal was to unseat Bush. Thanks for the correction, I admit i was wrong, but here is some further info on who pays taxes in this country:

http://www.irs.ustreas.gov/pub/irs-soi/01in01ts.xls


Old school ta's werd...

Mizzuno

I agree with you for the most part - except one thing what I meant when i mentioned Cheney is b/c he is the vice president and not the president I don't think he should have / has the right to block the Energy Commission documents - that and I just plain out don't respect/like him - he reminds of Darth Vader on the Death Star right before he died when he took the mask off - Cheney looks like he doesn't get out much in the sun, that and in all speeches I have seen him give he is a repetitious tit.
Laterz,
Alex

i vote mizzy for biggest tit of TA award.
by the way, u dont need to put a footnote of Mizz after every post, we all know whos rambling.

and as for asking me what exactly am I an expert at? For starters what I do outside of TA (which would explain my expertise) is none of your fucking business, i dont know u, i dont want to know you, and im sick of your stupid ass trying run shit like you know something, if you wanna vote for bush and furthermore lead to the demise of this planet, then go ahead. just shut your face about it already.

Stas

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