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Everyone shut up!

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Originally posted by Buddhistics Everyone shut up!

imo this is a great discussion, it started out low by the topic starter, but it's good discussion unlike tiesto or pvd..

keep going!

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Originally posted by Nell you dont get pops crackes etc from CD's though, AND the idiots who record vinyls like to feed it through their mixer with all the equalizer settings changed for their sound system so the recordigns come out with the bass booming. With CD ripping, you rip via your CD ROM drive and the levels are at the same settings as the original masters therefore. It's pretty easy to tell the difference. CD Rips are better to have imo quality wise.

Not necessary...you run the output from your CD-ROM/Source through a Driverack and then into your recorder you can change a lot of frequencies.
Nonetheless...since CD is digital domain it is free from pops and cracks...personally I prefer vinyl rips..

you forgot one thing ...a cd may be free from pops and cracks..it is NOT free from skipping which is way annoying then an occasional often barely audible pop/crack.

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Originally posted by bagguley You may dissagree with my actions but when you're in my position running a label.. action needs to be taken against these individuals!!! Andy Bagguley

You ever consider that these DJs playing your track is getting it more exposure which leads to increased popularity and more sales?

In my experience, the people who download MP3s do NOT buy music at all so you are not really losing any sales from them because they never would have paid for the track to begin with. In the end you are only gaining more exposure.

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Originally posted by XaNaX In my experience, the people who download MP3s do NOT buy music at all so you are not really losing any sales from them because they never would have paid for the track to begin with.

In other words, they dont want it if its not free.

I blame the CD deck. The file sharing not only allows access to the tracks, but allows DJ�s to burn them on to CD and then play them out. A cheaper alternative when one considers the price of vinyl.

Of course, the other side of the coin to this catch 22 is that by making music free (even though it is illegal) you are automatically are promoting the tune/ artist on the net. This does have its benefits as seen with past tunes like Sandstorm, but how many would actually buy the vinyl version of a tune they hear on the MP3 format ?

Seriously Andy, there is nothing you can do about this, it�s a shame but if you cant beat them, join them.

Oh, and it will be interesting to see how many people will actually download this track after reading this thread.

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Originally posted by Dancecritic but how many would actually buy the vinyl version of a tune they hear on the MP3 format ?

I play 99% vinyl. Ill play out a download if i 100% cannot get it anywhere or am not sent the promo by my lists.

I do agree tho the cd deck has a lot to answer for.

On the one hand companies are pushing cd decks with mp3 etc playback, but on the other doing nothing to halt the music piracy and dodgy downloading going on.
Bit of a conflict of interests

remember, any publicity/promotion is good publicity/promotion

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Originally posted by bagguley Then I find several posts of people that I know we haven't sent the track to listing in their "downloadable mix"...

This is what really annoys me.

I see people having slots on reputable internet radio stations and it's so blatant that they are playing illegal mp3's.

Pathetic

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Originally posted by Sigmun This is what really annoys me. I see people having slots on reputable internet radio stations and it's so blatant that they are playing illegal mp3's. Pathetic

Who would you say did that then?


You have to remember a lot of DJ's know producers and get sent the tracks legally. Although the ones that do this by the illeagal method should be named and shamed i definately agree.

I only ever do mixes on good old fashioned 12"

If major record labels can't combat this form of music sharing, which has cost MILLIONS upon MILLIONS of dollars to be lost in the music industry, then a tiny little recording company has about a snowball's chance in hell of doing anything about it...

Its difficult, if I was in Andy's position now, I'd be livid...especially asking questions to the artists and to the djs on his list.

People aquiring these mp3s need to show a little discretion or at least a little compassion to the label and artist....sure, download the track, have a listen...but dont use it in a mix, plaster it over the net/send it out when you have NO right to even have the track at all.

Thats a shit attitude.

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Originally posted by XaNaX In my experience, the people who download MP3s do NOT buy music at all...

Your experience is nice and all, but it is also total crap. I downloaded both Tiesto - In My Memory [UK Edition], and Tiesto - Just Be and got a copy of the 2 Disc version of Ferry Corstens Right Of Way debut album from a friend, yet I still went out and bought two copies of each to support the artist. One copy of each was for me, and the other copies were b-day gifts for my little bro.

The reason I downloaded them first, I wanted to sample some of the remixes from the UK Edition of IMM and RoW to see if the 2nd Disc on each warranted the extra cash I was spending. As for Just Be... well I heard it was both awesome and crap so I wanted to find out for myself.

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Originally posted by bruddahmanmatt The reason I downloaded them first, I wanted to sample some of the remixes from the UK Edition of IMM and RoW to see if the 2nd Disc on each warranted the extra cash I was spending. As for Just Be... well I heard it was both awesome and crap so I wanted to find out for myself.

So what your saying is...you wanted a free listen before spending your cash, meaning if you hadn't liked either CD, you wouldn't have gone out and bought them? Back in the day there were no "free listens" you had to buy the album THEN decide if it was trash. So I'm sorry but thats still part of the problem, not the solution.

this thread makes me giggle...


for the original author, instead of trying to scare people by mentioning their names, you should try and see if the quality of the track is good enough that they'd buy it..


lets say i enjoyed the track.. is it out on CD? can i buy it? i don't have a record player, so i can't & wont buy the record.. what do i do then?




everyone in the industry who bitches about mp3's should shut the fuck up.. if it wasn't for mp3's i garantee you 70% of certain genre's wouldn't be popular these days... i was never into trance, house, r&b, hip hop, etc until i was able to download it and listen to it.... from there i find what i like & buy what i like..



so in the end.. if you want to be successfull in music these days work with mp3s.. not against it

You don't have to download full albums to see if they're good. All good online stores provide quality lengthy samples of each track. I just listened to the samples of Freefall to see if i'd like it and i do so i will buy it.

Onto the MP3's issue, I myself don't download but i'm not sure if its only because i don't have the means. Although I know i would still definately keep on buying the vinyl.

As for Andy's situation I really don't know what to say about it. You need to provide copies to people to build hype but you don't want people downloading it. I suppose your trust could be misplaced. But thats your descision to make and not mine.

All I can say is I'm sorry about what happened to you and hope you can get something out of this.

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Originally posted by BigTongue lets say i enjoyed the track.. is it out on CD? can i buy it? i don't have a record player, so i can't & wont buy the record.. what do i do then? everyone in the industry who bitches about mp3's should shut the fuck up.. if it wasn't for mp3's i garantee you 70% of certain genre's wouldn't be popular these days... i was never into trance, house, r&b, hip hop, etc until i was able to download it and listen to it.... from there i find what i like & buy what i like..

*yawn*

digital downloads kid are the way forward, but i imagine you don't even have two hoots towards that as you've got the belief that its your god given right to listen to artists hard work without paying a penny for it.

People who support the filesharing only come up with the claim that its publicity, which is crap, radio shows is what gives the big percentage of hype for sales.

Its like going to a car showroom, every car is opened and has the keys in itfor you to take a test drive, but because its free and you have the keys you wont pay for it.

bottom line...downloading made the scene huge..if it wasnt for mp3's the scene wouldnt have reached the US or Asia or remote part of the worlds..it would have been stuck in europe with 4 or 5 djs only..now everybody and thier mother spins or produce tracks. the scene is huge..dj's booked solid makin 10-50 k for a couple of hours, concerts sellin out and festivals with 50,000 people...all that is due to mp3's..the EDM scene would be NOTHING absolutely NOTHING without mp3s..u would have 4 or 5 djs makin a couple of thousands in small clubs in europe and thats about it. take away downloading and in a year the scene will be dead and nobody will ever know about upcoming labels or producers.

that is exactly right no? you test drive a car, and if you like it you buy it? i don't see ford bitching & complaining...


and "you people" that support the file sharing? if you're going to tell me you don't have one illegally downloaded mp3 on your computer, or cd or anything.. i dont care if it's an oldies track, or something you can't find anymore i really don't think i'd believe you..

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Originally posted by BigTongue that is exactly right no? you test drive a car, and if you like it you buy it? i don't see ford bitching & complaining... and "you people" that support the file sharing? if you're going to tell me you don't have one illegally downloaded mp3 on your computer, or cd or anything.. i dont care if it's an oldies track, or something you can't find anymore i really don't think i'd believe you..

dude this site was built on downloads..it had a bunch of tracks and sets for download and updated every couple of weeks not twice a year..most people found this site from mp3 tags they downloaded from napster..TA would have been nothing without mp3s and so is the scene..i used to come on the site to download and registered on the forum because i was lookin for the video of rapture lol..mp3s made TA what it is today and the scene too..such a shame we turn our back on it.

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Originally posted by tranceaholic the EDM scene would be NOTHING absolutely NOTHING without mp3s..u would have 4 or 5 djs makin a couple of thousands in small clubs in europe and thats about it.

Please stop spreading this kind of 'facts' about europe when you clearly don't know anything about it.. Have you ever even been here?

Big festivals and raves sold out over here, and clubs were packed long before that MP3 shit came up.

Radio shows, exchanging mix tapes and good old 'spreading the word around' did the job back then over here, why wouldn't it continue to do so nowadays?

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Originally posted by Freak I do agree tho the cd deck has a lot to answer for.

Umm... No, it absolutely does not.

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On the one hand companies are pushing cd decks with mp3 etc playback, but on the other doing nothing to halt the music piracy and dodgy downloading going on. Bit of a conflict of interests

Mp3 is a LEGAL file format that does have legal uses. You cannot hold companies that make CD turntables responsible for the action of pirates.

A car is a legal object with lots of practical uses. But it can also be used for illicit purposes. Is is the auto-manufacturer's fault that some dumbass decides to use their car to run someone down? Should Honda, BMW, Audi, etc be held responsible because they make cars that accelerate quick, go fast, and turn sharp? What about if their car is used as a getaway car in a bank robbery? Or in a drive by shooting? Or for illegial street racing? I mean, shame on Honda for letting their economy cars become so easily modifiable - they should be held partially responisible whenever someone dies racing, or from racing, one of their civics.

And while we're at it, shame on knife manufacturers for still designing kitchen knives with sharp points in this day and age. That's just asking for a stabbing. Can't they use rounded points? What about crowbars? All they do is make breaking into things a lot easier. And don't forget hammers, bats, pens, wrenches, tire irons, saws, flashlights, screwdrivers, nailguns, lighters, gasoline..........



If we're going hold the manufacturers of legal objects responsible for those who have used their item illegially, then we may as well build ourselves a time machine and buy a one way ticket for the stone age.

Is it possible that people have used illegial mp3s on their CDJs? Absolutely. But can we blame Pioneer and Denon and the rest because their legal device was used illegially? Nope.

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Originally posted by basd Please stop spreading this kind of 'facts' about europe when you clearly don't know anything about it.. Have you ever even been here? Big festivals and raves sold out over here, and clubs were packed long before that MP3 shit came up. Radio shows, exchanging mix tapes and good old 'spreading the word around' did the job back then over here, why wouldn't it continue to do so nowadays?

yeah i have been to europe plenty of times. i am orginally from egypt and so europe is a 3 hour flight.club did sell out but only a few and festivals are few n far between. now every month there is some sort of festival goin on somewhere and they all sell out..dj's r pop stars gettin recognized everywhere..u got tiesto on a can of coke throwing concert,pvd doin motorola commercials..and look how much they charge now where is when the scene was not as big they would be happy with something to pay the bills..u think they got that big from mixtapes? u gotta be kdding me...personally i miss the underground feel of the scene.

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Originally posted by nrjizer Umm... No, it absolutely does not. Mp3 is a LEGAL file format that does have legal uses. You cannot hold companies that make CD turntables responsible for the action of pirates. A car is a legal object with lots of practical uses. But it can also be used for illicit purposes. Is is the auto-manufacturer's fault that some dumbass decides to use their car to run someone down? Should Honda, BMW, Audi, etc be held responsible because they make cars that accelerate quick, go fast, and turn sharp? What about if their car is used as a getaway car in a bank robbery? Or in a drive by shooting? Or for illegial street racing? I mean, shame on Honda for letting their economy cars become so easily modifiable - they should be held partially responisible whenever someone dies racing, or from racing, one of their civics. And while we're at it, shame on knife manufacturers for still designing kitchen knives with sharp points in this day and age. That's just asking for a stabbing. Can't they use rounded points? What about crowbars? All they do is make breaking into things a lot easier. And don't forget hammers, bats, pens, wrenches, tire irons, saws, flashlights, screwdrivers, nailguns, lighters, gasoline.......... If we're going hold the manufacturers of legal objects responsible for those who have used their item illegially, then we may as well build ourselves a time machine and buy a one way ticket for the stone age. Is it possible that people have used illegial mp3s on their CDJs? Absolutely. But can we blame Pioneer and Denon and the rest because their legal device was used illegially? Nope.

i think that is a wrong context, though i do get what you mean.

But cars, knifes, airplanes have different use besides Illegal stuff.

mp3 is designed for one thing and that is music..and companies taking advantages from it and if a 12 year old girl download something because she mite have a mini disc, she get sueed by the RIAA

If people like a track they leech of the net, they should definitely buy the single/album to support the artist. EOD.

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