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Originally posted by Zewad i realize this,.. but America doesnt think the Aussies are trash so we would still have their back...

I know...it's just pointless saying it to him of all people. He will just retort back that they don't need the US and that it is arrogant to think the US could help. blah blah blah. I don't have a problem with Aussies. My problem is just with a person. Of course the US would offer assistance.

Just to provide a little evidence for the facts people are having trouble getting:

Army kitten-killers appeal
By Mark Alexander
August 15, 2004

THREE soldiers kicked out of the army and condemned world-wide for torturing a litter of kittens during a drinking session are fighting their discharge.

The three were among six soldiers from Townsville's Lavarack Barracks who caused international outrage when they appeared in court in May charged with animal cruelty offences.

One of the three-week-old kittens was dragged behind a motorcycle then crushed with a four-wheel-drive vehicle and three others were doused with fuel and set alight.

The kittens were from the litter of a stray cat at the barracks.

Other soldiers, sickened by the Easter Saturday outrage, told the army's special investigations branch, which passed the information to civilian police.

All six soldiers � Ben Lightbody, Brett Neville, Casey Parker, Geoffrey Symonds, Darryl Llewellin and Christopher Murray � pleaded guilty and were fined $2000 but did not have convictions recorded.

Police are appealing against the leniency of the sentences. The appeal is set down for the Townsville District Court on September 3.

After an independent review, the Australian Defence Force last month announced the soldiers' behaviour had been "manifestly below the standard required" and discharged them.

"The act was appalling and the consequences of the act are dire," 3rd Brigade commander, Brigadier David Morrison, said.

They were given 28 days to lodge a "redress of grievance" to fight the discharge.

A Defence spokesman this week confirmed three of the soldiers had appealed.

Two had accepted the army's decision and left the defence forces while the discharge of the sixth soldier was on hold while he received medical treatment for an undisclosed condition.

The spokesman said he could not disclose which soldiers were fighting their discharge "for privacy reasons".

He said the Soldiers Career Management Agency was considering the appeals and it was unknown when a decision would be made.

"The purpose of the system is to provide a formal mechanism for complaints to be investigated and reviewed, and where necessary to correct wrong or unfair decisions or actions," the spokesman said in a statement.

The three soldiers remain in the army but not on active duty while their appeals are being considered.

It has been a troubled time for Lavarack Barracks, with an army captain, 27, to appear in Pormpuraaw Magistrates Court on Friday charged with shooting five stock horses on a cattle station in Cape York.

Capt Ralph Max Schweizer was on leave when the alleged incident occurred.

Earlier last month, Private Rowan Alexander Dickson, 21, was fined $350 in Townsville Magistrates Court for drug offences.

The army has issued him with a notice to show cause why he should not be discharged.

The Sunday Mail (Qld)

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Originally posted by spec The forum grissle guts graces us with her presence, how lucky we are indeed. You should cheer up. Not addressing the issue again it seems? People persist with personal attacks even though this has been an intelligent mature discussion for the most part, although this method of communication is undoubtably a new experience for some.

You are the last person on TA that I would ever want to have a mature discussion with. Why the hell would I? What could you possibly have to say to me that I could give a shit about? I should cheer up? I'm not the one bitching and moaning in this thread. Try it yourself.

i dont think you have realized that the media will always write things that stirr up controversy and also the military from any country is made up of such a large number of people that there are bound to be bad apples,...

when i hear about murders or rapes do i go off and say how stupid and ignorant all civiilans are? its life and the fact that they are in the military probably has nothign to do with the fact that these individuals killed these kittens,.. they are just sick kids who just coincidently happend to be in the military too

it's generalization imo, all militaries are alike.

advice to our "most liked ta " aka spec

I can't stand amber at times and at times I just said crap and it kept garbage going. My advice, use the ignore (both of you), you won't have to waste your time on her and she won't have to waste her time on you and people like me don't have to roll our eyes when we see the lame fighting. I did it for years with some but now I've given it up, I'm simply ignoring certain people (they know who they are) and I think it takes a bigger person to admit that fighting is pointless for the most part and to say I'm not going to do that and then it stops for the most part. Oh, if Swamper is reading the forums, it took me me 3 years to realize this lessson but at least I learned it).

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Originally posted by torontotrance I can't stand amber at times and at times I just said crap and it kept garbage going.

Gee thanks Andy


Ignore doesn't work. People quote him too much.

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Originally posted by torontotrance it's generalization imo, all militaries are alike. advice to our "most liked ta " aka spec I can't stand amber at times and at times I just said crap and it kept garbage going. My advice, use the ignore (both of you), you won't have to waste your time on her and she won't have to waste her time on you and people like me don't have to roll our eyes when we see the lame fighting. I did it for years with some but now I've given it up, I'm simply ignoring certain people (they know who they are) and I think it takes a bigger person to admit that fighting is pointless for the most part and to say I'm not going to do that and then it stops for the most part. Oh, if Swamper is reading the forums, it took me me 3 years to realize this lessson but at least I learned it).

This wouldn't be a problem if people were more openminded and accepting to different opinions.

And some people like trancebrat just love to fight and argue, it becomes a bit much.

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Originally posted by spec People persist with personal attacks even though this has been an intelligent mature discussion for the most part,

isn't the pot calling the kettle black? (is that a good enough anaolgy for you?) You call people who serve in the military stupid, do it for money, and brainwashed, along with putting down other memembers yourself. I do belive that you are the one that started the attacks. So i hope when you say "people" you include yourself.

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Originally posted by spec This wouldn't be a problem if people were more openminded and accepting to different opinions. And some people like trancebrat just love to fight and argue, it becomes a bit much.

i think we all understand the other opinions, but we don't have to accept them. We choose what we wanna believe.i think your having a tough time accepting that other peopl can have other opinions and that yours is not always correct.

Most people leave it at that, but in almost every post you try to weasle in a lil comment to demean something, just to get a rise outta someone.


and for your article, there are a hell of a lot of people in the military that don't abuse animals, and there are a hell of a lot more people that have never been in the military that do that. Have you been to Asia?





overall I think we broke dwon brainwashing to learning. They teach you their way of being in the military, just like any job teaches you their techniques of doing that job. Its the nature of their duty that can bring the negative effects.


i think you realise this. Now think of some ways in which you can bring about a solution to your problem.....then you would definitely get my respect, for whatever its worth.

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Originally posted by spec This wouldn't be a problem if people were more openminded and accepting to different opinions. And some people like trancebrat just love to fight and argue, it becomes a bit much.

More open minded and accepting? I couldn't be anymore open minded. You don't know me. You think I am close minded just because I made a judgment call that you are an annoying troll that has diseased our forums? It is my OPINION and I am entitled to mine just as much as you are entitled to yours. Nowhere in the rules and regulations of this forum does it say that I have to give a fuck about a member called spec. Have you not figured out yet that the only person I have a problem with on TA is you? Do you see me being nasty to anyone else? You think that would tell you something. Fuck you and all your half ass assumptions on my character and all the mindless insults that you throw around on these boards to people that don't deserve them.

Now, Mr. I am so nice to everyone and never say anything nasty or rude...let's quote you in this thread:

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Originally posted by spec Well at least you sell your soul for money, and not just misguided nationalism.

I'm curious. Do you know Daniel to have made such a statement that only an asshole could have made? What were your intentions with that statement? To be nice to Daniel? Looks like you are no better than me. The difference between us is my so called hate is directed at only you and yours is unleashed on any member of TA at any random moment for absolutely no reason. His post did not warrant a response like that from you yet you wouldn't be "spec" if you didn't come back with something showing your ass. Your whole argument in here is doing nothing but passing judgment again. You tell people that they are brainwahsed. How the fuck would you know? You have spent time with every single person in all the militaries across the world? Of course not. Go back and read that thread that you posted in that no one at any point in time should have other people pass judgment on them. Hypocrite.

fuck you spec!!!

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Originally posted by Floorfiller fuck you spec!!!

That was funny.

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Originally posted by Floorfiller fuck you spec!!!

that might almost be good enough to replace my world famous quote in my sig....

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Originally posted by Floorfiller fuck you spec!!!

No Jason...you have it all wrong. Remember? It is not "fuck you". It is "fuck off".

it was the nicest thing i could think to say hehe

but yes...fuck off spec!!!

I think he's out skiing with a bunch of friends from the US Army in Vail.

-Clovis

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Originally posted by Clovis86 I think he's out skiing with a bunch of friends from the US Army in Vail. -Clovis

Indeed!

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Originally posted by Clovis86 I think he's out skiing with a bunch of friends from the US Army in Vail. -Clovis

really? so what you are saying is that i could drive up to vail tonight...kill him in his sleep...and bury him in snow!!

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Originally posted by Floorfiller really? so what you are saying is that i could drive up to vail tonight...kill him in his sleep...and bury him in snow!!

OMFG, were you in teh military????

Boomer we missed you last night!

@FF

You'd waste that much time and energy on him? You must really be in love...

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Originally posted by Clovis86 You'd waste that much time and energy on him? You must really be in love...

i do love my little specy poo...i do i do i do

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Originally posted by Floorfiller i do love my little specy poo...i do i do i do

We should invite him to Boomers cuddle party!

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Originally posted by trancebrat Boomer we missed you last night!

yea yea, i was the biggest dork last night. I fell asleep right before I was gonna go out....

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Originally posted by trancebrat We should invite him to Boomers cuddle party!

I might dry hump him though...

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