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| Originally posted by dj_ilan_yosef You have no clue what Zionism is about. I find no reason to even try to explain to you how backward your perception of Zionism really is due to the bias I�ve read throughout your posts, including your foolish last remark. You'll remain with the likes of hardcore trancer and cyrus queen on these boards if you continue trying to inflame hatred of a movement that simply promotes Jews having a nation of their own. |
oh no look whos back
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| Originally posted by hardcore trancer oh no look whos back VIVA PALESTINE |
Zionism is a disease of the mind.
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| Originally posted by YonatanArbel no offence man.. but u know nothing...  how whould u react if pepole come to ur house and tells u "pack everything u need we r leaving in 10 minutes to : Treblinka , aowswitch , birkenau , krakov , varsha , lodge" without any special reason only because they are jew , the offers u wrote there doesnt related to any "zionist" u r talking about jews.. and im jew , a proud 1 i must say... and if u will read about what the europans did to the jews in 1939-1945 u will understand... good bye im off to "BET KNESET" |
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| Originally posted by hardcore trancer Come back here when you are abit older then we'll talk,right now talking to you is useless.You are too young and uneducated to see the real picture. |
Spankster if ur an arabic translate this one : inaal abok koshili emok..
your a little terrorist who knows nothing... go try expload urself @ Tel Aviv or something i promiss i will stop you..
SAYERET MATKAL !!!
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| Originally posted by YonatanArbel Spankster if ur an arabic translate this one : inaal abok koshili emok.. your a little terrorist who knows nothing... go try expload urself @ Tel Aviv or something i promiss i will stop you.. SAYERET MATKAL !!! |
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| Originally posted by Massive84 hehe nerds act brave on forums and are shit in reallife. love it! |
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| Originally posted by YonatanArbel your a little terrorist who knows nothing... go try expload urself @ Tel Aviv or something i promiss i will stop you.. SAYERET MATKAL !!! |
Here's something interesting i found in one of those links posted earlier.
What the prefix 'anti' means in English
by real world jewsagainstzionism Thursday August 05, 2004 at 04:55 AM
We implore and beseech our Jewish brethren to realize that the Zionists are not the saviors of the Jewish People and guarantors of their safety, but rather the instigators and original cause of Jewish suffering in the Holy Land and worldwide. The idea that Zionism and the State of �Israel� is the protector of Jews is probably the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the Jewish People. Indeed, where else since 1945 have Jews been in such physical danger as in the Zionist state?!
Jews are enjoined by their religious laws to be loyal to the country of which they are citizens. ever since the destruction of the holy Temple in Jerusalem and the exile of the Jewish People some two thousand years ago, we have been enjoined to be scrupulously loyal to the countries we reside in, One of the great biblical prophets, Jeremiah, in chapter 29 of his book proclaimed G-d's message to all the exiled; verse seven reads, "Seek out the welfare of the city to which I have exiled you and pray for it to the Almighty, for through its welfare will you have welfare." This has been a cornerstone of Jewish morality throughout our history to this very day.
Torah-true Jews wish to live in peace and harmony with their neighbors in every country among the community of nations, including in historic Palestine. They deplore acts and policies of violence carried out by those who, misusing the name of Israel our forefather, have substituted the ideal of chauvinist nationalism for the eternal values of the Torah, the eternal divinely bestowed inheritance of the Jewish people.
It has been the age-old intention of Zionism to intentionally stir up anti-Semitism anywhere possible, and even more commonly, to take advantage of any Jewish suffering anywhere in order to enhance its cause Indeed, hatred of Jews and Jewish suffering is the oxygen of the Zionist movement, and from the very beginning has been to deliberately incite hatred of the Jew and then, in feigned horror, use it to justify the existence of the Zionist state � this is, of course, Machiavellianism raised to the highest degree. Thus, the Zionists thrive on hatred and suffering of Jews, and seek to benefit thereby through keeping Jews in perpetual fear, causing them to ignore the true nature of Zionism, and instead to consider the Zionist state is their salvation.
ANTI-SEMITISM BY POLITICAL ZIONISM
Although Zionists and others dispute it, the undeniable fact is that revolutionary secular and apostate elements in the Jewish community in Europe contributed greatly to hostility towards Jews after World War I. This aroused hatred of Jews in general among many non-Jews. While a prisoner in 1924 in the fortress of Lansberg on the River Lech, Hitler wrote his Mein Kampf. We he became Chancellor of Germany in 1933, he was assisted by Goebbels, Roseberg and Streicher. From them came the declarations, �The Jews of Germany caused the defeat of Germany in the 1914-1918 war; the Jews of Germany were responsible for the terrible conditions in Germany that followed the war; the Jews of Germany are foreigners and they wish to remain foreigners; they have no loyalty to the country of their birth; they are not human; they are filthy dogs; they have no right to intrude into Germany�s affairs; there are too many Jews in Germany.
As far as Zionism is concerned, the founder of Zionism and apostate, Theodor Herzl, sought to intensify hatred of the Jew in order to enhance the cause of political Zionism. Here are some of his �pearls�:
�It is essential that the sufferings of Jews. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of Jews. The anti-semites shall be our best friends�. (From his Diary, Part I, pp. 16)
Additional words from the vivid imagination of this dreamer, from p. 68 of Part I of his Diary.
So anti-Semitism, which is a deeply imbedded force in the subconscious mind of the masses, will not harm the Jews. I actually find it to be advantageous to building the Jewish character, education by the masses that will lead to assimilation. This education can only happen through suffering, and the Jews will adapt.
Hateful views of Jews as being subhuman did not have to be invented by Nazi theorists such as Hitler, Goebbels, Rosenberg and Streicher. This ideology was simply adapted from statements of political Zionists such as those found in the writings of the Zionist Yehezkel Kaufman in 1933.
In 1920 there were statements hostile to Jews expressed at Heidelberg University. These statements, arguing that Jews of Germany had caused the turmoil that followed the war; that the Jews of Germany had nothing in common with Germans, and that Germans had the right to prevent the Jews of Germany from intruding into the affairs of their volk were not made by Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf, but by Nahum Goldmann, who went in to become the President of the World Zionist Organization and head of the World Jewish Congress, and, indisputably, the most influential political Zionist in the world, second only to the Prime Minister of the State of Israel.
In 1921, Germans in Germany were told that:
�We Jews are aliens� a foreign people in your midst and we� wish to stay that way. A Jew can never be a loyal German; whoever calls the foreign land his Fatherland is a traitor to the Jewish people�.
Who spoke these vile words? It was Jacob Klatzkin, the second of two political Zionist ideologists in Germany at the time, where the Jews of Germany were enjoying full political and civil rights. It was he who had advocated undermining Jewish communities as the one certain way of acquiring a state. �They had no qualms concerning tearing down the existing Jewish communities.�
Who spoke in a public address at a political Zionist meeting in Berlin and declared that �Germany� has too many Jews�? Was it Hitler or Goebbels? No, it was Chaim Weizman, later to become the first President of the State of Israel. This address was published in 1920, and, thus, four years before Hitler had even written Mein Kampf.
How many Zionist Jews know of this vicious treachery uttered by these senior political Zionist leaders, these apostates from the Jewish People? At the Nuremberg Trials of Major War Criminals, Nazi propagandist, Julius Streicher testified: �I did no more than echo what the leading Zionists had been saying�, it is clear that he had told the truth.
In addition to Hitler, Rosenberg, Goebbels and Streicher, many other Nazi leaders used statements from Zionists to validate their charges against the Jews of Germany. Such are the efforts of Zionist leaders to this very day to maintain a high degree of anti-semitism in order to enable them, in feigned horror, to then point to anti-semitism to support their idolatrous and anti-Jewish cause. In 1963, Moshe Sharett, then Chairman of the Jewish Agency, told the 38th Annual Congress of the Scandinavian Youth Federation that the freedom enjoyed by the majority of Jews imperiled Zionism, and at the 26th World Zionist Congress, the delegates were told that the Jew is endangered by the easing of anti-Semitism in the United States �We are endangered by freedom� he declared.
As we stated earlier, Zionism thrives on anti-Semitism. Ben Gurion declared, ��not always and not everywhere do I opposed anti-Semitism�. Zionists regularly pull out their handy �anti-Semite� race card against anyone, Jew or non-Jew, who dares to speak out against the wickedness of Zionism.
During World War II, the Lehi organization, an offshoot of Begin�s Irgun that was headed by Yitzchak Shamir sought an alliance with Nazis! The following is a quote from the writings of the Lehi in their contact with the Nazis:
"The establishment of the historical Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis and bound by a treaty with the German Reich would be in the interests of strengthening the future German position of power in the Near East ... The NMO in Palestine offers to take an active part in the war on Germany's side ... The cooperation of the Israeli freedom movement would also be in line with one of the recent speeches of the German Reich Chancellor, in which Herr Hitler stressed that any combination and any alliance would be entered into in order to isolate England and defeat it."
To those who assume that Zionists have been on the side of freedom and equality, these words seem strange. However, to those who understand the root of Zionism, which is the transformation and eradication of the concept of the traditional Jew and Judaism, these statements are not strange at all. They are to be expected.
The Zionists agreed with Nazism in general, even prior to the advent of Nazism. They believed that Jews could not, and should not, live in harmony in any other society in the world, and that should be removed from those societies for the benefit of those societies. They believed that the new Jewish existence in its own State would remake the image of Jews as �useless� and �parasites.� These ideas existed long before Adolf Hitler!
There is a huge amount of literature describing how the Zionists made it very difficult to save Jews during and after World War II. As various individuals and organizations were trying to arrange departures of Jews to western countries, the Zionists worked overtime to prevent this from happening. They expressed the opinion that building up the Jewish population of Palestine was more important than enabling Jews to go to third countries, and they insisted to western powers that Jews should not be accepted anywhere other than Palestine. Indeed, Yitzchak Greenbaum, a famous Zionist, proclaimed that �one cow in Palestine was worth more than all the Jews in Poland.� The infamous David Ben-Gurion said in 1938:
"If I knew it was possible to save all the children in Germany by taking them to England, and only half of the children by taking them to Eretz Israel, I would choose the second solution. For we must take into account not only the lives of these children but also the history of the people of Israel."
For more information about the brutal Zionist role during World War II, Click Here.
After the war, a Zionist �religious� leader, Rabbi Klaussner, who was in charge of displaced persons presented a report before the Jewish American Conference on May 2nd, 1948 :
"I am convinced people must be forced to go to Palestine...For them, an American dollar appears as the highest of goals. By the word "force", I am suggesting a programme. It served for the evacuation of the Jews in Poland, and in the history of the 'Exodus'... To apply this programme we must, instead of providing 'displaced persons' with comfort, create the greatest possible discomfort for them...At a second stage, a procedure calling upon the Haganah to harass the Jews."
It is ironic that the Zionists proclaim their State as the safe haven for the Jewish People, when since World War II no place on earth has been as dangerous for Jews, both spiritually and physically, as the Zionist state.
The Zionists worked relentlessly to create fear among Jews in the Arab countries after the Zionist state was established. Their tactic work most successfully in Yemen, Morocco, Iraq, Algeria, Libya, Tunisia.
It is common knowledge among Iraqi Jews that during 1949-1950 the famous Zionist, Mordechai ben Porat, who had the nickname of Morad Abu al-Knabel (Mordechai Bomber), was instrumental in seeking to bribe Iraqi officials after the creation of the Zionist state to pass laws to encourage Jews to leave Iraq. This was enhanced by the Zionists planting bombs in synagogues in Baghdad in March 1950. Information about this is readily available on the internet. For more information Click Here.
The writings of Mr. Naim Giladi document in detail what the Zionists did in Baghdad in 1950 to provoke the departure of the Jews to the Zionist state. The Zionists do not care what effect their policies have on the Jewish communities of any country. When they accuse European nations of every sin under the sun, do the Zionists care that this will produce hostility towards Jews? No! Not a bit. On the contrary, as we have discussed, they thrive on such circumstances, clinging to the vain hope that these Jewish communities will rush for the �salvation� of the �safe haven� of the Zionist Paradise where Jews are in constant danger as the Zionist regime undertakes every form of cruel provocation against non-Jews.
In more recent times the Zionists have sought every opportunity to encourage Jews to leave their home countries. Anytime there is even the smallest event of hostility toward Jews on the heels of Zionist policy, or if there are signs of economic distress and dislocation, the Zionists magnify it a thousand times, seek to ruthlessly humiliate the nations involved, and agitate for Jews to go to the Zionist state, the so-called �natural home� of the Jewish People. This has been the case in countries such as France, Argentina, Uruguay, the former Soviet Union and Egypt.
etc @ Jews Against Zionism
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| Originally posted by YonatanArbel Spankster if ur an arabic translate this one : inaal abok koshili emok.. your a little terrorist who knows nothing... go try expload urself @ Tel Aviv or something i promiss i will stop you.. SAYERET MATKAL !!! |
Yes that will really test israels democracy, when they become the ethnic minority again just like they were before.
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| Originally posted by Cyrus King Your nation will cease as a jewish state in your lifetime. Have fun watching the arabs overpopulate and consume your population |
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| Originally posted by Yoepus Sorry just trying to keep the flame war going. Spankster almost chocked it to death with that post |
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| Originally posted by YonatanArbel ROFL no1 forces u 2 draft the army... im doing it because i wanna serv my country and there are many pepole who doesnt want to serv in the army so they dont.. |
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| Originally posted by Cyrus King Zionism is a disease of the mind. |
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| Originally posted by Psy-T shut the fuck up twat, no one forces you 2 draft to the army?? well, how about the goverment for one? the only way to not serve in the idf without spending any jail time is to lie by claiming you are manic-depressive. and not everyone can do that shit, because if they perceive you as having great potential, they are NOT gonna give up on you just like that. try saying you dont *want* to serve when you draft, either you'll be laughed at and ignored, or you will sit 2 years of jailtime at the very least! i fall in a combination of both the categories, im trying to get discharged with a 21 profile while i have declared i dont want to serve. i have about 20 more days at home as AWOL,, but then,, guess what? jailtime baby bottomline: officially, every israli child who reaches the age of 18 MUST draft to the idf no matter what! and to think they call this fuckin place a democracy i wanna leave this fuckin place, but can i? |
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| Originally posted by Courage to Refuse - Combatant's Letter We, reserve combat officers and soldiers of the Israel Defense Forces, who were raised upon the principles of Zionism, sacrifice and giving to the people of Israel and to the State of Israel, who have always served in the front lines, and who were the first to carry out any mission, light or heavy, in order to protect the State of Israel and strengthen it. We, combat officers and soldiers who have served the State of Israel for long weeks every year, in spite of the dear cost to our personal lives, have been on reserve duty all over the Occupied Territories, and were issued commands and directives that had nothing to do with the security of our country, and that had the sole purpose of perpetuating our control over the Palestinian people. We, whose eyes have seen the bloody toll this Occupation exacts from both sides. We, who sensed how the commands issued to us in the Territories, destroy all the values we had absorbed while growing up in this country. We, who understand now that the price of Occupation is the loss of IDF�s human character and the corruption of the entire Israeli society. We, who know that the Territories are not Israel, and that all settlements are bound to be evacuated in the end. We hereby declare that we shall not continue to fight this War of the Settlements. We shall not continue to fight beyond the 1967 borders in order to dominate, expel, starve and humiliate an entire people. We hereby declare that we shall continue serving in the Israel Defense Forces in any mission that serves Israel�s defense. The missions of occupation and oppression do not serve this purpose � and we shall take no part in them. |
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| Originally posted by Psy-T shut the fuck up twat, no one forces you 2 draft to the army?? well, how about the goverment for one? the only way to not serve in the idf without spending any jail time is to lie by claiming you are manic-depressive. and not everyone can do that shit, because if they perceive you as having great potential, they are NOT gonna give up on you just like that. try saying you dont *want* to serve when you draft, either you'll be laughed at and ignored, or you will sit 2 years of jailtime at the very least! i fall in a combination of both the categories, im trying to get discharged with a 21 profile while i have declared i dont want to serve. i have about 20 more days at home as AWOL,, but then,, guess what? jailtime baby bottomline: officially, every israli child who reaches the age of 18 MUST draft to the idf no matter what! and to think they call this fuckin place a democracy i wanna leave this fuckin place, but can i? |
In democracy the majority rules.
The majority ruled and said they need bodies to fill the IDF by kids from 18 and up which is mandatory. The minority of kids don't want to go but it is compulsory that they do enlist.
Majority rules. What a concept of democracy.
mate , in our situation we must draft the army , u know why ? because if we wont have strong army and soldiers we will get attacked by the arabs like happened in 1973 we we got attacked by syria egypt and lebanon ( no 1 won the war because in war there are no winners ) anyway.. we defeated them... and they fell back.. and didnt occupied our country like they tried to do..
so if we wont have our army we wont have our country
VIVA ISRAEL
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| Originally posted by YonatanArbel no offence man.. but u know nothing... how whould u react if pepole come to ur house and tells u "pack everything u need we r leaving in 10 minutes... |
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| Originally posted by YonatanArbel mate , in our situation we must draft the army , u know why ? because if we wont have strong army and soldiers we will get attacked by the arabs like happened in 1973 we we got attacked by syria egypt and lebanon ( no 1 won the war because in war there are no winners ) anyway.. we defeated them... and they fell back.. and didnt occupied our country like they tried to do.. so if we wont have our army we wont have our country VIVA Palastine |
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| Originally posted by eXstatic I am in no way saying you are a part of this, and that all jews have say in this...but isn't the same thing happening now with the Palestines. Oppressed, and kicked out of their homes because of who they are...eventually forcing them to create the Antifada, but that's another story in itself. The point is...Jews were kicked out from the holocaust, sent to Israel, and then they kicked the Palestins out. Yet, no one knows about this. Makes me wonder... |
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