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| Originally posted by gumble yah for sure. its heaps easy to criticise what we have. |
agree with Renegade!!! 
how can so many young people vote 4 howard... he's basically made it impossible for any one to own a home, taken 10% extra of almost everything i have bought with GST, hecs fee's... i can understand why older wealthier ppl would vote 4 him. but sorry johnny... 6 years is plenty.
Also wasn't there a budget surplus? how come we didnt see any of that?
ahh well... i hope u all have a happy and fun saturday...
and may the best man win!!! 
i wont have a happy saturday i'm working all day 
and i need to go before work to vote, i dont wanna get up any earlier than i already have to
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| Originally posted by SeeK sorry johnny... 6 years is plenty. |
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| Originally posted by Nic i wont have a happy saturday i'm working all day and i need to go before work to vote, i dont wanna get up any earlier than i already have to |
Look at it this way....
The Greens want to legalise Ecstacy and Marijuana - and if this means less people getting drunk and starting fights and drunk driving and killing themselves and others, I'm all for it. And no more pills that can kill you....
... and one way or another your vote will go to people who want to stop people like you and me getting killed in Iraq over big bombs that never existed.
Otherwise if you agree with what John Howard has done, well you probably wouldn't mind a superpower like China invading Australia - deposing and denouncing the Howard Government for the terrorist-harbouring, "military regime with big invisible bombs that no one can find" that it so obviously is. Digging Howard out of some hole and locking him up god-knows-where... oh, and in the meantime at least 2 people you are related to and about 15 people you know have been killed, shot, or just generally blown into easy to carry pieces.
Yeah, and all the countries we've screwed over like Iraq and Vietnam and East Timor could support China, cos, then, you know, it's a Coalition of the Willing... yeah, fighting to rid the world of cowardly little apathetic pseudo-democratic blokeocracies. Excessive force to free our minds from our little dreamworld where we blissfully ignore the fact that there are civilians dying in an oil war being fought in our name.
I mean fuck, I'm feeling pretty repressed right now, and losing a few people i've known all my life is a small price to pay for Freedom with a capital fucking F.
Cos obviously we can't manage our own government, we need other countries to come in and "fix" it all up for us.
Prove me wrong.
something Dave / DDsD wrote on TT
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| Originally posted by DDsD What really scares me is just how many people have swallowed the fear campaign run by the Liberal Government on economics. Shocked Finally Johnny has backpedelled and conceded that the government does NOT set interest rates, the RBA does (correct) and has since turned his attention to interest rates in the past.. the "Omg look at interest rates under labor" smear campaign. What people need to realise is that Australias interest rates (the 'value' of our money in the future) has far more to do with the external factors of our international trading partners than our own domestic demand. If you have a look at interest rate progression over the entire world over the last 50 years. You see a *direct* correlation between interest rates in other countries and our own (Particularly the US) the 'fact' that Labor was in power at the time was merely coincindental. Now while it is possible to microeconomically 'sponsor a domestic climate which suits low interest rates' the actual real-world effect that this has on the economy is limited from the governments spending patterns (Keynesian anti-cyclical government spending does not have the same limiting effects that it once did). Running deficiet's or surplusses in the budget of the magnitude that has been run in the last 15 years is of no major concern, the budgets for the most part are 'balanced enough' so that there is no effect on the economy as a result. The Liberal Government cry's foul over the last Labor Government running 'huge deficiets' in the recession of the early 90s. This was primarilly because of one reason.. due to a (world) recession, vast numbers of people were out of work. So what does that mean to a government who gets taxes in as income, and gives money out as unemployment benifits to the unemployed? It means that the government has to spend alot more than it is getting in.. thus putting a budget into deficiet. The recent surplus budgets have come about by 2 things, a lowering of the unemployment rate (thus increasing the ammount of tax in, and lowering 'transfer payments' out to the unemployed) and the sale of government assets (Primarilly Telstra). The Liberal party can gloat all they want about running surpluses, but it really means nix in the scheme of things. Certainly you could argue that their 'job network' reforms helped reduce the frictional unemployment component of the unemployment rate. But other than that their economic managment has been nothing spectacular. To have a strong economy you have to have two things, a smart workforce (by spending on education) and a healthy workforce that is fit and ready to 'be productive' (by spending on healthcare) this is known as the 'third wave' of political thought, read here -> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...=glance&s=books for a book on this 'third wave'. You either position yourself as a knowledgable country with a skillset above that of others, or you become a comodiity trader 'bannana republic' style country who competes with everyone else on cost instead of our skills. If we end up competing with china on price in commodities, we lose *all* control of our domestic economy as we become so dependant on other nations for our income that any domestic policy would have little effect other than to lower the rights of workers to make us 'more competitive' on the world market. |
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| Originally posted by pasocon-otaku Cos obviously we can't manage our own government, we need other countries to come in and "fix" it all up for us. Prove me wrong. |
Read todays paper and my vote is now with LABOUR.
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| Originally posted by stamper Read todays paper and my vote is now with LABOUR. |
or i might go for the 'fishing party'
fine then labour can come in and ruin our economy by wasting all our money until liberal gets back in to fix it all up again!
Labour ALWAYS wins 70% of votes in my area anyway so does my vote really matter than much anyway?
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| Originally posted by stamper Labour ALWAYS wins 70% of votes in my area anyway so does my vote really matter than much anyway? |
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| Originally posted by serp fine then labour can come in and ruin our economy by wasting all our money until liberal gets back in to fix it all up again! |
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| Originally posted by stamper Read todays paper and my vote is now with LABOUR. |
serp liberal labour same shit
...but people wanna talk about not letting the governemnt have a mandate in the senate... what if labor wins the election, it will have a mandate in both houses AND will be on side with nearly all of the state governments.
As a melburnian what does this mean...
Guaranteed Tolling on scoresby freeway
The ability to increase the GST with the states all in kahootz...
Do i need to go on??
no, you've just made the argument to vote for labor
So you would prefer a GST higher than 10% cause i will guarantee you this will happen if labor wins. Bracks and co. shifty mother******s just want more money to spend
Labor wont have a majority in the Senate or even close to it. There is a chance the coalition could get a majority in the senate this term which would mean that they can pass anything they want at all with no debate or review in the Senate. This would be an absolute nightmare.
If labor wins the lower house then they will need democrat and/or green support in the upper house.
So vote for the Greens above the line in the Senate, your preference will go to the Democrats and then Labor.
If you want to vote Democrat or Labor in the senate do it below the line because for some fucked up reason they have Family First preferenced which is a right wing Christian party which will support Howard.
And no, labor wont be fucking increasing the GST, what are you smoking, they werent even in favour of the GST when it was implemented.
ive decided to go against myself and vote labor.
ive changed so many times in the last few months.
ive gone and heard peter garret speak and his reasons for joining labor. that didnt totally convince me.
i think its more the environmental policies that labor "are going to employ". fuckit, im a HUGE greenie, well almost and it is really important to me. especially now that howard isnt stopping the destruction of the place i grew up in and love - tasmania.
health, education and environment all need more protection and to be re-thought with new policies put in place. liberals are not going to do this. not enough to change whats fucked.
i guess labor will essentially give me, as a student, as someone that cares about my country - especially the extremely important biodiversity and wilderness, as someone concerned about the availability of health care - a better deal.
latham doesnt excite me. but what can u do. i wish beazley was back.
haha, yer ive changed my tune somewhat - but ive looked at both sides of the arguement. listened to people come and speak at uni, read the literature put out by groups by wilderness society (which im part of) and conservation foundation and come to this. im not going to change again before tommorow.
here's to a new era! (hopefully).
oh and , err, TRANCE IS CHEESE!
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| Originally posted by Romp Labor wont have a majority in the Senate or even close to it. There is a chance the coalition could get a majority in the senate this term which would mean that they can pass anything they want at all with no debate or review in the Senate. This would be an absolute nightmare. If labor wins the lower house then they will need democrat and/or green support in the upper house. So vote for the Greens above the line in the Senate, your preference will go to the Democrats and then Labor. If you want to vote Democrat or Labor in the senate do it below the line because for some fucked up reason they have Family First preferenced which is a right wing Christian party which will support Howard. And no, labor wont be fucking increasing the GST, what are you smoking, they werent even in favour of the GST when it was implemented. |
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| Originally posted by nicknack typical labor voter, you can't even spell the party's name your voting for |
muscle?
ure just a fatty jules. u know it!
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