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Dude think about it man. Go on Corbitts site. The guys studio is insane, he's got a G5, with the best synths money can buy. His setup destroys a pro tool rig . now why do u think he decided to post that track, obviously he wanted to show us that its possible to make good trance with reason. And what was the outcome. Incredible melody, great arragment, good ideas, but horrible mixing, effects, and overall sound quality.Why do u think the song suffered from these things. Do you think it's because Corbitt lacks the skills to mix and master? Highly doubtful considering his rig is incredible, no idiot would blow tens of thousands on that much gear if he was talented enough to use it. So the only other plausable explanation is that the program was at fault. That's what I'm stating, that the software is to blame. The software is a the accused party. Do u disagree, do u believe that corbitt is to fault, that he just sucks at making trance, but be warned, the wrong answer could end up hurting someone feelings and since u seem like a righteous individual I know you wouldnt want to do that. So let me know, who is to blame?

The crystal method use reason for drum loops, why is reason so shitty?

..and also fresh from badcompany made hits like elmstreet with reason..

otherwise this tread is lame.. igloo post pix from his masterpice. thats all folks..

theres another all vs. reason threads so keep posts there!

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Originally posted by trancenrg69 look massive, i'm entitled to my opinion, it's not like i said it sucked and ended it. I gave my reasons why it sucked, i made some valid points anmd if you can't respect them then don't post. what the fucks wrong with this place, you can't even voice your opinion anymore. It should be called TranceCommunism.com Everytime I post I get my balls busted, cause I speak my mind, If some of you use Reason and are offended by what I said then thats yoir problem, live with it. Seriously man, I'm afraid what would happen if I went around saying the audigy 2 or audiphile 2496 were shit soundcards, considering how many people own them. I'd probably get kicked off the site. Look Reason isnt good, thats why its 200$ not 700$, like most professional hosts. Tell me one professional studio who uses reason as their main host. absolutely none! Sure a few guys on here made great tunes with it, doesn't mean it's good. When I talk about a host I look at it in terms of overall strength, not just making trance. Reason is like a crippled dog compared to the big hosts. It lacks fundamentals that are standard in todays audio world. It has no vst support, jesus man! Do i have to write it out for you? You wanna run around the net downloading crappy refills, go ahead, just don't talk shit.

reason isnt a host, was never supposed to be a host either

not a host? the fact that you don't believe it's good enough to be called a host, proves my point. So what it is then. It's obviously not a vst, but it has built in synths, samplers, drum machines, a sequencer, effects, wait so does cubase, logic, sonar, dp4, ableton, samp, orion, fruity, .... only major thing it doesn't have other than a million other other functions, is vst support. So yeah your right it's not a host, my bad, it's a shitty ass wannabe host.


Flashback, i'm sure many people use reason to program drum loops, scetch out ideas, write melodies, etc.. sort of like prodigy did on their labtop. But even Prodigy tranfered those ideas and loops to their pro tools setup. You can program drums tracks with a shitty tracker if you want. All your doing is rearraging pre recorded samples, wav files, single shots, etc... I actually lke Redrum , it's old school style, and very easy to program beats with. But yet again, why use that when theres much better drum samplers out there, like battery 2, rm4, dr-008, even fruity.

A track doesn't necessarily need to be good because it is maxed to the max in reason. But i'm sure that's not the case here. Here's "Kallocain" and "I Kill for You" if it interests anyone.

Endre, I agree with you totally. But I believe Reason has a threshold to what you can do. Your tracks are great but follow a more layed back mellow tone, which is fine for that Anjunabeats style trance where leads aren't overpowering a track. But Corbitt's track is a harder more melodic epic production (with that BIG sound)where leads stand up in the forefront and need to big , massive and loud. That's where reason takes a dives, cause the more you layer, the quicker the sound distorts and results in unwanted artifacts.

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Originally posted by trancenrg69 Endre, I agree with you totally. But I believe Reason has a threshold to what you can do. Your tracks are great but follow a more layed back mellow tone, which is fine for that Anjunabeats style trance where leads aren't overpowering a track. But Corbitt's track is a harder more melodic epic production (with that BIG sound)where leads stand up in the forefront and need to big , massive and loud. That's where reason takes a dives, cause the more you layer, the quicker the sound distorts and results in unwanted artifacts.

I havn't tryed this, so i would not know. But what you are saying is probably very true.

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Originally posted by trancenrg69 what the fucks wrong with this place, you can't even voice your opinion anymore. It should be called TranceCommunism.com

Do you even realise that you're doing the exact same thing. You're bashing Reason every chance you get and refuse to accept the fact that some people like it. You seem to believe that you can convert us by repeating the same "arguments" over and over.

Just let it go. We all know what you're saying (hell, you've been repeating yourself for several pages) and don't care.

anyone want a beer?




@alex: you use surprisingly few layers (Y)

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Originally posted by trancenrg69 Endre, I agree with you totally. But I believe Reason has a threshold to what you can do. Your tracks are great but follow a more layed back mellow tone, which is fine for that Anjunabeats style trance where leads aren't overpowering a track. But Corbitt's track is a harder more melodic epic production (with that BIG sound)where leads stand up in the forefront and need to big , massive and loud. That's where reason takes a dives, cause the more you layer, the quicker the sound distorts and results in unwanted artifacts.

First of all, i was kinda saying that you should be respected with your opnion, so i wasn't against you.

But am against your points, and thats the only thing i say, nothing els.

However i do agree. Reason is not made for energetic or hardtrance, the synths are just to weak, but then MK-S made his Frenzy remix with it, and i consider that one really uplifting.

I made an attempt, Furor was the result, it was the hardest thing i ever made and i can't repeat that anymore, it's really a pain in the ass to make something energetic in Reason but not totally impossible.

Here is Furor if you are Curious, i do like my synth result(all subtractor, bass, synths, pads, acids etc.)
http://fahad.johnsteenbergen.com/
download from index.

Main synth after break, 2 subs.

First of all.. All the people who are bashing Reason need to shut the fuck up, because they don't know what they are talking about. I've used Reason for some years now and so far all my productions which are released are made with it. I used those 'big leads' trancenrg69 was talking about, and it sounded just fine. Some people were even amazed by the quality as they didn't expect it to come out of Reason.

BUT!

There's a big but here.. I've put LOTS of time in Reason to be able to achieve this quality. I can tell you, it's not easy. It begins with a simple sample. When you listen to the sample in WinAMP or just a random audioplayer it sounds nice. But when you import it into Reason, the power has gone. I've sometimes tweaked over 2 hours to get a decent kick sound. That's a waste of time imo.

Now I've switched to Cubase, just because I wanted to know what it was capable of. I had a meeting with Arizona (from Octagen & Arizona) and he learnt me the ins & outs of Cubase while working on a collaboration. I was amazed by the power of Cubase.

- Going back to importing a kicksample; The kick sounded fine right away. Hardly any EQing was needed!

- Then the possibility of using VSTs. You can use more sounds and more effects which is great!!

- Audio support. I've had a Roland JP-8000 for some time now, but I never used it a production. I've tried multisampling it to import it into Reason, but the quality sucks. So I'm glad I can finally use my synth.

- People who still want to use Reason have no problem.. just ReWire it!

On top of all this, Cubase has a better audio engine. Mixing is alot more easy than in Reason. If you have 20/30 sounds playing simultaneously it's hard to get a perfect mix in Reason. In Cubase it's a different story, I can tell..

So, I'm not bashing Reason at all. It has helped me alot and it's a great application. It's easy to start with, but eventually you will end up at the point that you want more, which you can get in Cubase.

I hope this helped abit. And please stop bashing every app you don't use because you think yours is better...

Galen

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Originally posted by Passiva please stop bashing every app you don't use because you think yours is better... Galen

my sentiments exactly, i use fruity and that's got me stuff released, altho i would like to use cubase, but it doesnt work very well with the virus

why not? (cuz it works fine with my synths)

Woo - hoo!! It must be at least a week since we had a thread bitching about Reason

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Originally posted by Luke Terry my sentiments exactly, i use fruity and that's got me stuff released, altho i would like to use cubase, but it doesnt work very well with the virus

What problems have you been having Luke?

i assume something to do with not being able to use the virus. oh yea, you know the preset player on the access website? please tell me those arent actual virus presets because if they are, im stacking 4 to 5 vanguards on top of each other, layering, EQing and it still doesnt compare to the thickness of one of their (supposed) presets. when i heard those audio demos i felt like i was making 20 times more work for myself trying to build instruments...maybe im doing something wrong. i couldnt get a nord lead 2x to sound that fat either. nowhere near actually...

congratulations with your choice, vanguard was the proper synth for you.

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i assume something to do with not being able to use the virus. oh yea, you know the preset player on the access website? please tell me those arent actual virus presets because if they are, im stacking 4 to 5 vanguards on top of each other, layering, EQing and it still doesnt compare to the thickness of one of their (supposed) presets. when i heard those audio demos i felt like i was making 20 times more work for myself trying to build instruments...maybe im doing something wrong. i couldnt get a nord lead 2x to sound that fat either. nowhere near actually...

Those presets on the access virus and exactly what they sound like, not even as good cause theyre encoded into that player. Virus is super phat, i owned a nl3 and couldnt get leads that fat on it. with the virus its a joke with unison.

Why do people crap on so hard about which one is the best. I use both Logic and Reason and have for a while. There are so many appz out there which are good for specific purposes, why not use them all where they excel...

*yawn* so I started taking these new pills.. VST-Grow.. makes my penis GARGANTUAN by taking it.. or at least.. bigger than everyone's who uses Reason...

i 4m 1337 4nD jU R n07

*slaps everyone in the face* w00p w00p w00p w00p *runs away in a three stooges fasion using his fingers to make horns on the sides of his head*

haha omg *passes the blunt*

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Those presets on the access virus and exactly what they sound like, not even as good cause theyre encoded into that player. Virus is super phat, i owned a nl3 and couldnt get leads that fat on it. with the virus its a joke with unison.

yer i was impressed with what i knocked up on a lead 2x. but when i heard those virus presets my jaw was hanging. oh well. only 20 times the price of vanguard. i suppose i could try a stack of 20 vanguards. id have to be subtle and it would require a PC on its own to run it...

20 times the price of a Vanguard, nah. The vanguard is 90$ US, The Powercore pci + (single+multi license virus) is around 1000$ US.

cubase locks up a lot, but the computer freezes completely when i try and use the virus, trying to make an effort to sort it today hopefully

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Originally posted by Passiva First of all.. All the people who are bashing Reason need to shut the fuck up, because they don't know what they are talking about. I've used Reason for some years now and so far all my productions which are released are made with it. I used those 'big leads' trancenrg69 was talking about, and it sounded just fine. Some people were even amazed by the quality as they didn't expect it to come out of Reason. BUT! There's a big but here.. I've put LOTS of time in Reason to be able to achieve this quality. I can tell you, it's not easy. It begins with a simple sample. When you listen to the sample in WinAMP or just a random audioplayer it sounds nice. But when you import it into Reason, the power has gone. I've sometimes tweaked over 2 hours to get a decent kick sound. That's a waste of time imo. Now I've switched to Cubase, just because I wanted to know what it was capable of. I had a meeting with Arizona (from Octagen & Arizona) and he learnt me the ins & outs of Cubase while working on a collaboration. I was amazed by the power of Cubase. - Going back to importing a kicksample; The kick sounded fine right away. Hardly any EQing was needed! - Then the possibility of using VSTs. You can use more sounds and more effects which is great!! - Audio support. I've had a Roland JP-8000 for some time now, but I never used it a production. I've tried multisampling it to import it into Reason, but the quality sucks. So I'm glad I can finally use my synth. - People who still want to use Reason have no problem.. just ReWire it! On top of all this, Cubase has a better audio engine. Mixing is alot more easy than in Reason. If you have 20/30 sounds playing simultaneously it's hard to get a perfect mix in Reason. In Cubase it's a different story, I can tell.. So, I'm not bashing Reason at all. It has helped me alot and it's a great application. It's easy to start with, but eventually you will end up at the point that you want more, which you can get in Cubase. I hope this helped abit. And please stop bashing every app you don't use because you think yours is better... Galen

Really a big thanks for that summary. Since months now people became furious and childish when I mentioned certain quality problems with Reason.
Reason is still a great anyway: I use it for working out some ideas or creating some really weird loops, which have a quite special
sounding.

BUT, if they ever improve over all sounding quality in Reason it would be a production monster. I even would pay some extra money for a Reason Powercore Version, with lots of improved fxs and better sounding quality...

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