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Originally posted by born2trance yeah i didnt think itd hurt to post again ))

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Originally posted by Aristronica ok, to avoid potential stupid shit, no one ask why that is funny to b2t got it? good edit - ehh too late

nah, imho that movie was just ridiculous (kerry too), but i aint tryin to start sh*t here

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Originally posted by Yan NOTE: "Kerry's telling college students Bush is going to bring back the draft (which, btw, a bill to do so was crushed in the US Senate 99-1, and obliterated in the US House 434-2) <-- rough figures.* * and OMG, the 1 vote in the Senate was a DEMOCRATIC senator, and oh wow, the 2 votes in the House were from DEMOCRATIC representatives. Methinks it's hypocritical for their party to rant about Bush and the draft when it's their own party bringing up such bills."

I read about the draft bill being crushed. I hope it stays that way. However, the dexterity with which Bush dodges around the constitution, and molds things to his own needs is amazing. When that third or fourth war breaks out, I hope he's singing the same tune.

Edit: As Mike said, it's obvious Bush doesn't want a draft any more than the next guy. I won't get into his records. Anyway, as Mike said, when the time comes, godforbid these terrorists be coming at us from several angles, I think the odds are good that the numbers voting for and against the draft change.

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Skull and Bones Wins 2004 Election. Tyranny Wins. Alex Jones Infowars.com November 3, 2004 The Republicans now have a record majority in the House and the Senate, seven of the nine members of the Supreme Court were appointed by Republicans, a large majority of our States� Governors are Republicans, and George Bush is now a lame duck who is not facing re-election. What does this mean? It means that, to all the smirking neo-con masses who are celebrating Bush�s win, Bush now has no excuse but to repeal unconstitutional gun laws, to stop calling for amnesty , to control our borders, to pull out of UNESCO, and to stop the Free Trade Area of the Americas that is the Pan-American Union. Don�t hold your breath. We�ve seen an explosion in the size of the government and a record loss of American freedom. I predict it�s only going to accelerate. Tens of millions of beady-eyed, dumbed-down, neo-con, neo-communist Republicans will hail it all because they associate their personal power with George Bush and don�t give a damn about their children or this country. The Republicans now have strong control over all three branches of the Federal Government and the States, but instead of seeing a new age of conservatism, we're going to see a new age of the Police State. Government will get bigger and bigger and the Patriot Act 2 and the National ID will be rammed through Congress.

got this in my email today from a friend

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Originally posted by XaNaX Name a country that the US has ever invaded for its natural resources. If that were the case we would be stealing Iraqi crude as fast as we could pump it. Instead we invade the country, spend billions doing it in order to remove a violent dictator and hopefully add a little more stability to the middle east. Like it or not, every country we have invaded since 1900 has been to defend it from some foreign agressor or some communist revolution, not to steal resources. And it has almost always been at the request of the rest of the world. And I have to disagree with you on us not being able to take China or Russia. The US would not beat them in a matter of days like Iraq but we have the most powerful, most advanced military there is. Neither Russia or China would want to test that. And again, our massive nuclear stockpile would prevent China or Russia from going there.

LOL its scary to know that pseudo nationalism has actually made you believe the "ideals" your government claims to uphold.

name a country? i can name two: iraq and kuwait.

now Xanax, keep in mind this: The United States of America is NOT a truly democratic nation. had enough time for that to sink in yet? no? k ill wait a bit more...
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...ready? good.

Now, if you've been invading other nations for their own good and to protect their rights and freedoms, why is that almost every country you've had an occupation of or have waged war in has some resonating or deep hatred for the states? your nation has a terrible record for during and post-war occupation, usually causing more damage during, and leaving a shitstorm behind you. keep in mind that much of the wars youve had have been a result of your own actions. Sadam and Osama were once your allies, but you fucked with them, they hit back at what you held dear, and you went to wage war in their countries with almost a total lack of respect for the civilian populace. simply put, your troops in the past and present tend to terrorize the civilian population of foreign occupied nations.

Have you noticed that almost infinitely lesser heat has been directed towards the Brits and their "softly, softly" approach? they have taken the time and measures to ensure their military actions target only the enemy, with much less civilian casualties. Also, the cities which they occupy have not been excessively dangerous, as the respect and protection they show for the populace is returned with respect and gratification, not with terror and hatred.



About your statement with regards to Russia and China...w..t..f? your government and its civilians seem to be drunk with stupidity with concerns to your percieved power. Your nuclear stockpile means shit. While Russia presently has a smaller arsenal, much of it you can't track with confidence, as they're mobile ICBM launchers (including subs). China is in the same boat (pun intended), but they're more into aerial-based nuclear strikes, and due to the size and effectiveness of their airforce, a aerial-directed nuclear strike poses a serious threat to you. Yes, you are right, you have the most technologically advanced military in the world overall, but many beat your level of technology in single areas, and this is where your superiority ends. Under next to no circumstances could your country expect to win an air or land war against Russia or China (we won't even consider the possibility of them allying to remove a common foe) not only in sheer numbers are you heavily outnumbered by both, but your military hasn't fought a professional armed force since world war 2. Both the Russians and the Chinese training on par with your military and are used to going it alone, they do not fight as part of a coalition...another thing your military has become accustomed to.

shit, i meant to keep this short, but your statements pissed me off to a certain degree, so i had to write this..newayz im done with this.

One post only.

Ha ha to all the haters, Bush wins! I guess the whole country has gone insane.

Re: The Politics Thread

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Originally posted by Aristronica P.S. My two cents - since Kerry supports Scientific Research and is willing to create more government grants for that area, and both of my parents are immunologists, I support him. However I believe the country can benefit from both candidates. I mean these guys graduated Yale and whatnot - you can't just sneak through Yale, even if you are an x-presidents son. So I believe each one of them is an intelligent human being with lots of good ideas, though Bush does struggle with wording them properly, but that's fine - there are many of us that can't word shit properly, just check out some threads.

Bush supports stem cell research.

The only thing he limited was federal funding for NEW embryonic research.

all right wing trash must hang, i cant put it any simpler than that, nor do i want to..ive taken enuf hits in my life to even care, all i have in my fridge are fucking eggs thanks to good ol GW. if you voted republican this year u are a fucking nazi, plain and simple, i dont care if u have some pop-political views on the matter, come live in america to where it really resonates. This country brings truth to the line "instead of kisses we get kicked"

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Originally posted by Remiks all right wing trash must hang, i cant put it any simpler than that, nor do i want to..ive taken enuf hits in my life to even care, all i have in my fridge are fucking eggs thanks to good ol GW. if you voted republican this year u are a fucking nazi, plain and simple, i dont care if u have some pop-political views on the matter, come live in america to where it really resonates. This country brings truth to the line "instead of kisses we get kicked"

Wow. That's a lot of hate. You should go to the haters ball with that shit and cry me a fucking river. I can entertain peoples opinions when they are reasonable, but a hateful generalization like that, I cannot.

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence Really? Why then if my university performs stem cell research is it no longer eligible for federally funded grants?

As well as mine, one of the nation-wide leaders in stem cell research?

Jesus how stupid can the American's be. I'm a bit miffed really. This made me feel a bit better though:



George Bush and Dick Cheney are enjoying a celebration lunch at a fancy Washington restaurant. Their waitress approaches their table to take their order; she is young and very attractive.

She asks Cheney what he wants, and he replies, "I'll have the heart-healthy salad.�

"Very good, sir," she replies, and turning to Bush she asks, "And what do you want, Mr. President?"

Bush answers, "How about a quickie?"

Taken a back, the waitress slaps him and says, "I'm shocked and disappointed in you. I thought you were committed to high principles and morality. I'm sorry I voted for you." With that, the waitress departed in a huff.

Cheney leans over to Bush, and says, �Mr. President, I believe that's pronounced �quiche�

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Originally posted by d0uble h3lix LOL its scary to know that pseudo nationalism has actually made you believe the "ideals" your government claims to uphold. name a country? i can name two: iraq and kuwait. now Xanax, keep in mind this: The United States of America is NOT a truly democratic nation. had enough time for that to sink in yet? no? k ill wait a bit more... . . . ...ready? good. Now, if you've been invading other nations for their own good and to protect their rights and freedoms, why is that almost every country you've had an occupation of or have waged war in has some resonating or deep hatred for the states? your nation has a terrible record for during and post-war occupation, usually causing more damage during, and leaving a shitstorm behind you. keep in mind that much of the wars youve had have been a result of your own actions. Sadam and Osama were once your allies, but you fucked with them, they hit back at what you held dear, and you went to wage war in their countries with almost a total lack of respect for the civilian populace. simply put, your troops in the past and present tend to terrorize the civilian population of foreign occupied nations. Have you noticed that almost infinitely lesser heat has been directed towards the Brits and their "softly, softly" approach? they have taken the time and measures to ensure their military actions target only the enemy, with much less civilian casualties. Also, the cities which they occupy have not been excessively dangerous, as the respect and protection they show for the populace is returned with respect and gratification, not with terror and hatred. About your statement with regards to Russia and China...w..t..f? your government and its civilians seem to be drunk with stupidity with concerns to your percieved power. Your nuclear stockpile means shit. While Russia presently has a smaller arsenal, much of it you can't track with confidence, as they're mobile ICBM launchers (including subs). China is in the same boat (pun intended), but they're more into aerial-based nuclear strikes, and due to the size and effectiveness of their airforce, a aerial-directed nuclear strike poses a serious threat to you. Yes, you are right, you have the most technologically advanced military in the world overall, but many beat your level of technology in single areas, and this is where your superiority ends. Under next to no circumstances could your country expect to win an air or land war against Russia or China (we won't even consider the possibility of them allying to remove a common foe) not only in sheer numbers are you heavily outnumbered by both, but your military hasn't fought a professional armed force since world war 2. Both the Russians and the Chinese training on par with your military and are used to going it alone, they do not fight as part of a coalition...another thing your military has become accustomed to. shit, i meant to keep this short, but your statements pissed me off to a certain degree, so i had to write this..newayz im done with this.

My statement was that the United States does not invade countries to take their national resources. I challenge you to make a case that we invaded Kuwait and Iraq to steal their national resources. You cannot because it is not true.

And your statement about the US military having "almost a total lack of respect for the civilian populace" is completely ignorant. The US military has taken great pains to spare civilian casualties to the point that we avoid attacking targets. In WW2 populated areas were carpet bombed in an attempt to break the will of the people. The US now uses GPS guided bombs to be as sure as is reasonable to prevent any civilian targets from being struck. It is not the fault of our military that spineless dictators and terrorists hide like cowards among civilians which sometimes causes civilian casulties.

And our nuclear stockpile does mean shit. We have enough nukes to destroy the world many times over. Russia and China know this also, and because of that they will not use their nuclear weapons. What the hell good is winning a war if the whole world is destroyed in the process?

And I believe that the US conventional forces can match up quite well with that of China and Russia. Actually, China is the only real threat and that is mostly due to their massive population.

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence You see hate. I see hurt. Interesting, hmmm?

That may be, but there are other ways of expressing it, than to generalize and call a group of people Nazi's. That's very extremist to me. I voted Bush and I stand behind my vote. I don't judge anyone for voting for Kerry and don't feel I should be judged for my vote. I am getting really sick of people and their judgements. Apparently I'm not the only one who voted for Bush. I feel bad for those of you the hate him and feel screwed by him winning, but them's the breaks. Move forward and live your life the best you can given your circumstances. The man does have power, but that power is limited. I don't think he ruined everything and made everyone's lives so horrible. And if you really hate him and his policies so much, leave the country. Otherwise move on and stfu (that's not steered at those of you discussing things rationally, it's for the extremist's generalizing and being, IMO, assholes).

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer That may be, but there are other ways of expressing it, than to generalize and call a group of people Nazi's. That's very extremist to me. I voted Bush and I stand behind my vote. I don't judge anyone for voting for Kerry and don't feel I should be judged for my vote. I am getting really sick of people and their judgements. Apparently I'm not the only one who voted for Bush. I feel bad for those of you the hate him and feel screwed by him winning, but them's the breaks. Move forward and live your life the best you can given your circumstances. The man does have power, but that power is limited. I don't think he ruined everything and made everyone's lives so horrible. And if you really hate him and his policies so much, leave the country. Otherwise move on and stfu (that's not steered at those of you discussing things rationally, it's for the extremist's generalizing and being, IMO, assholes).

Powerful statement. Beautifully put.

What are you guys talking about?

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Originally posted by placebo What are you guys talking about?

orgasms.

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Originally posted by Echo of Silence orgasms.

Orgasms rock!

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer Orgasms rock!

I'll second that.

OMGHI2U!!1

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Originally posted by placebo What are you guys talking about?

LOL!!!!!!

All I see in this post is a Ferengi popping into a huge discussion with that look on his face and asking, "What are you guys talking about?". Made my day even more pleasent.

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Originally posted by Nite-Mer That may be, but there are other ways of expressing it, than to generalize and call a group of people Nazi's. That's very extremist to me. I voted Bush and I stand behind my vote. I don't judge anyone for voting for Kerry and don't feel I should be judged for my vote. I am getting really sick of people and their judgements. Apparently I'm not the only one who voted for Bush. I feel bad for those of you the hate him and feel screwed by him winning, but them's the breaks. Move forward and live your life the best you can given your circumstances. The man does have power, but that power is limited. I don't think he ruined everything and made everyone's lives so horrible. And if you really hate him and his policies so much, leave the country. Otherwise move on and stfu (that's not steered at those of you discussing things rationally, it's for the extremist's generalizing and being, IMO, assholes).

People do over generalize when they say OMG I HAVE TO MOVE OUT OF THE USA! Now that bush has been re-elected.
With Bush in office in his first period. My dad's business sales are climbing back up. I can go to the school i want and train for what i want to do. I can awlk around town knowing i am safe, except from other drivers on the road. I can live my life as i always have. Taxes may be different, gas and oik asre still relatively cheap. And Apple stock has done nothing but go up since october and it is up 2.5 points today even with the news of the election. Also note that when the other day that it was expected that kerry would winthe election, the stock market showed severe implications and dropped 100 points in a very short time.

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Originally posted by getfoul People do over generalize when they say OMG I HAVE TO MOVE OUT OF THE USA! Now that bush has been re-elected. With Bush in office in his first period. My dad's business sales are climbing back up. I can go to the school i want and train for what i want to do. I can awlk around town knowing i am safe, except from other drivers on the road. I can live my life as i always have. Taxes may be different, gas and oik asre still relatively cheap. And Apple stock has done nothing but go up since october and it is up 2.5 points today even with the news of the election. Also note that when the other day that it was expected that kerry would winthe election, the stock market showed severe implications and dropped 100 points in a very short time.

Agree with all of what you said except the gas and oil prices... Expensive as crap over here.

All we can truly do is sit back and see if Bush can fix his follies.

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Originally posted by CGRumler LOL!!!!!! All I see in this post is a Ferengi popping into a huge discussion with that look on his face and asking, "What are you guys talking about?". Made my day even more pleasent.

ahahaha

That's my real picture though. Well the one on my driver's license.

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Originally posted by Gholy Host Good luck with that. If you find a reasonable method pass it on!

Well i'm also a Canadian, I don't think it'd be that hard.. but as for passing it on, wtf? I go to the consulate and say, I don't want to be an american anymore, then I surrender my passport and such.

My only real complaint about Bush is that he won't just admit that he makes mistakes. I don't think Iraq was a mistake, but I think he should be honest about his motives. If he had said he went in to get a dictator, we put in power, out of power, I think that people would have been more satisfied with the move.

The economy is only partly effected by the President and it usually takes time for those policies to make an impact. These next four years will show how effective his policies are or are not. Greenspan has a lot more impact on the economy than Bush does. We shall see what happens in the near future. The other factor on the economy that could not be accounted for was 9/11. It takes a while to restore order after an event of such impact.

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