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-- Ferry Corsten and Paul van Dyk Friday 17. Dec 2004, Start: 23.00
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Originally posted by ShellSh0ck gg this is funnay PvD = Paul van Dyk ...

Don't blame me, i'm simply using the Socratic Method, in which Socrates states that "No question is a stupid question." Go read philosophy books and junk you pizzafaced pizza.

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Originally posted by Radagast Don't blame me, i'm simply using the Socratic Method, in which Socrates states that "No question is a stupid question." Go read philosophy books and junk you pizzafaced pizza.

rofl...

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Originally posted by Laushinameee Is e-werk defintely going to be re opening? i have heard rumours but nothing definate.

Reopening 2nd May 2005

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Originally posted by ShellSh0ck Reopening 2nd May 2005

you have a link to a news item or anything? doesnt matter if its in German

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Originally posted by Radagast Don't blame me, i'm simply using the Socratic Method, in which Socrates states that "No question is a stupid question." Go read philosophy books and junk you pizzafaced pizza.

wahahaha nice one!

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Originally posted by Radagast Don't blame me, i'm simply using the Socratic Method, in which Socrates states that "No question is a stupid question." Go read philosophy books and junk you pizzafaced pizza.

Time for me to listen to another classic 2000 Bad Boy Bill set where he plays euro-cheese with some commerical house music as I read my philosophy books.




BTW the Socratic Method is asking question to find answers. However what you just did is called the Homo Method, which is asking questions to be a Homo.

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Originally posted by Radagast Bad Boy Bill is better than any of those half ass DJ's you mentioned [Sasha,Digweed,Sander]

Please stop talking because you truely are an idiot as your belief that Bad Boy Bill is better than Sasha or Digweed is a clear example. You can't hide behind your stupidity behind your smartass remarks child.

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Originally posted by Dave Piazza Time for me to listen to another classic 2000 Bad Boy Bill set where he plays euro-cheese with some commerical house music as I read my philosophy books. BTW the Socratic Method is asking question to find answers. However what you just did is called the Homo Method, which is asking questions to be a Homo. Please stop talking because you truely are an idiot as your belief that Bad Boy Bill is better than Sasha or Digweed is a clear example. You can't hide behind your stupidity behind your smartass remarks child.

You really have no idea what you're talking about do you? That's to be expected I suppose. You think Sasha & Digweed are better because of hype. I look at their skills as DJ's. You don't even know what a real DJ is, therefore you are not qualified to judge them. You judge their skills as DJ's based on the music they play, which is a logical fallacy. Good day.

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Originally posted by Radagast You really have no idea what you're talking about do you? That's to be expected I suppose. You think Sasha & Digweed are better because of hype. I look at their skills as DJ's. You don't even know what a real DJ is, therefore you are not qualified to judge them. You judge their skills as DJ's based on the music they play, which is a logical fallacy. Good day.

Wow. I didn't even have to say anything this time to make you look stupid. All I have to do is quote you.

Umm..No Sasha and Digweed are legends and pionners , similar to Paul Van Dyk. Bad Boy Bill is a joke, kinda like your comments.

Stop TRYING to be a smartass with me because I don't appericate clowns for DJ's.

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Originally posted by Dave Piazza Umm..No Sasha and Digweed are legends and pionners , similar to Paul Van Dyk. Bad Boy Bill is a joke, kinda like your comments.

1.) I never said anything about "legends" and "pioneers". I'm talking about skills as a DJ, you ignoramus. Get that through your thick skull.

2.) What are these pioneering efforts that make Sasha & Digweed legends? That they made the first mix CD? They're the joke.

Anyone that has ever heard Ferry spin knows that he is fully capable of throwing down a set that you wouldn't expect. He did that last Friday night. Anyone that has ever heard PvD spin live knows that he is also capable of the same thing. I think this line up is sick and I would attend in a second if I could. Ferry and PvD in the same night? Last time I saw that was at Ultra back in March. Maybe you don't like them...to each their own. But to question why PvD would want a DJ like Ferry to spin with him is just absurd. Ferry has amazing energy and a faithful following. You would have to be a fool to think that the two of them together wouldn't fill up any venue.

radagast bitching about how the good old days of trance have gone...doesn't it get tiring?

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Originally posted by TuanAnh213 radagast bitching about how the good old days of trance have gone...doesn't it get tiring?

Slow down there shoeshine, don't get ahead of yourself. Come back in a thread where your statement would make some sort of sense.

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Originally posted by ShellSh0ck BUT, Ferry has never been here before...so most of the crowd dont know him...Ferry is a NoName in Germany, he isn't popular over here.

All the more reason for him to visit. It's just one night out of your life. You never know...you just might have a good time.

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Originally posted by TuanAnh213 radagast bitching about how the good old days of trance have gone...doesn't it get tiring?

radagast is being an asshole because I hurt his feelings when I told him his fav. DJ was shit and is considered a joke amongst all Chicago DJ's. I explained to him why Gay Boy Bill is shit (I even gave him proof) yet he still doesn't want to accept the truth and would rather continue along his retarded behavior on TA with me.


Get over it dude. Stop holding this grudge.

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Originally posted by Dave Piazza radagast is being an asshole because I hurt his feelings when I told him his fav. DJ was shit and is considered a joke amongst all Chicago DJ's. I explained to him why Gay Boy Bill is shit (I even gave him proof) yet he still doesn't want to accept the truth and would rather continue along his retarded behavior on TA with me. Get over it dude. Stop holding this grudge.

Sorry, I have no favorite DJ. In fact, you're the one who keeps bringing Bad Boy Bill up in every thread I post in. So go eat a cookie and sit in the corner. Any DJ who knows what they're talking about may not like BBB, but they respect him, as they should...since he could teach most of them how to use turntables.

Now answer my question. After you're done with that cookie of course. What are Sasha & Digweed's great legendary and pioneering achievements, aside from their FALSE claim that they made the first mix CD?

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Originally posted by Dave Piazza So I say to you , as the Greeks said to the Trojans, Fuck Off and Suck my Balls Bitch.

I'm not so sure they said that?

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Originally posted by Laushinameee you keep going on about synaesthesia & the flashover mix of time getting played on fritz.... it was FERRY who played them on fritz... even if you didnt listen its fairly obvious as its clearly listed on the playlist...

Didn't notice that it was in Ferry's mix, sorry bout that. That still doesn't change the fact that Paul has supported Ferry's "electro" productions.

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I dont think its a case of PvD selling out at all - how can he be out to make the most money possible? when he books a dj like corsten who would cost MORE than one of these 'safe' techno djs that you are on about, yet still charge only 10 or 12 euro on the door! that argument makes no sense... its just a case of him wanting the club to be full, and in this day and age having someone like corsten is going to get that NOT a 'techno' dj - again you dont know what youre on about saying shit like that.

You didn't read my post. Paul is booking Ferry to make enough money, regardless of the fact that he thinks Ferry is shit (like you've been claiming). He disregards musical integrity in order to make enough of a profit. If that's not selling out I dunno what is.

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i have to pull you up on this again.... how do you know what most german clubbers like?? sure there is a large techno following, but its still very much an underground thing in berlin. perhaps underground is the wrong word, but berlin techno clubs are not about big djs & big money... and this is sadly probably one of the reasons that that scene is in some difficulty. There is a definate slowdown there. putting on a 'safe techno dj' will not get more people in the door than a pretty big name world 'superstar dj' like ferry corsten. Saying otherwise is really ignorant.

Techno is by far the most popular genre of EDM in Germany. Booking DJs of that genre logically will bring in more people to a club than booking Ferry, since like Shellsh0ck said, Ferry Corsten hardly has any name for himself in Germany whatsoever.

And btw, why do you always have to try to put me down as clueless?

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Originally posted by Sand Leaper And btw, why do you always have to try to put me down as clueless?

because really, when you say things like - PvD is out to make the most profit with a corsten booking is really really clueless...

you say he could easily fill the venue with an alternative 'techno' dj - they would cost LESS to book. Ferry is the global trance dj - his booking fee will be MORE - yet the door price is always the same. So then, how can a guy be out to make a profit when hes paying MORE on the booking, and taking the same on the door, especially as the capacity of kesselhaus is a lot less than Casino. This makes no logical sense, maybe you arent clueless, but pretty slow if this is your thought process ^.

I honestly dont think that a techno dj would bring more people in anyway. Its all well and good to sit here with our image of what berlin / germany is all about (techno?) but the fact remains that djs like tiesto, corsten, armin are a global name. They DO bring in more people than any techno dj you can think of, even in berlin. That is why tiesto is booked to play LFA, and when he plays it is always busy. This is a fact, not my guess work or anything.

Not only does he attract a lot of people from berlin, but also from holland. Ferry will also bring a lot of people down from holland. So it is not 'safer' to put on a techno dj.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee because really, when you say things like - PvD is out to make the most profit with a corsten booking is really really clueless... you say he could easily fill the venue with an alternative 'techno' dj - they would cost LESS to book. Ferry is the global trance dj - his booking fee will be MORE - yet the door price is always the same. So then, how can a guy be out to make a profit when hes paying MORE on the booking, and taking the same on the door, especially as the capacity of kesselhaus is a lot less than Casino. This makes no logical sense, maybe you arent clueless, but pretty slow if this is your thought process ^. I honestly dont think that a techno dj would bring more people in anyway. Its all well and good to sit here with our image of what berlin / germany is all about (techno?) but the fact remains that djs like tiesto, corsten, armin are a global name. They DO bring in more people than any techno dj you can think of, even in berlin. That is why tiesto is booked to play LFA, and when he plays it is always busy. This is a fact, not my guess work or anything. Not only does he attract a lot of people from berlin, but also from holland. Ferry will also bring a lot of people down frot m holland. So it is not 'safer' to put on a techno dj.

LOL.. youre saying Ferry will bring much more ppl than a local techno talent, and yet claims that PvD isnt doing this to make money.. then what is he doing it for ? just to have a packed night ? for ferry's fans ? such random guest dj to be booked when he gets no respect from the vandit's main man ? cmon girl u seem clueless too sometimes.. and more than that, crazy biased... if you were pvd's wife or someshit, i'll give you more credit, but stop tryin to analyze his intentions.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee because really, when you say things like - PvD is out to make the most profit with a corsten booking is really really clueless...

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Originally posted by Laushinameee the fact remains that djs like tiesto, corsten, armin are a global name. They DO bring in more people than any techno dj you can think of, even in berlin. That is why tiesto is booked to play LFA, and when he plays it is always busy. This is a fact, not my guess work or anything. Not only does he attract a lot of people from berlin, but also from holland. Ferry will also bring a lot of people down from holland. So it is not 'safer' to put on a techno dj.

Read these two statements you made. They are contradictory. Ferry Corsten was booked to bring in more people than DJ XYZ , even though his style and sound is not akin to Paul Van Dyk. Than by definition Paul Van Dyk�s actions warrant the claim that he has indeed sold out for the sake of profit ( i.e. getting more people to show up to the show).

Even though ticket prices remain the same more people entering means more money. Booking a DJ like Ferry Corsten , I quote you, �Not only does he attract a lot of people from berlin, but also from holland. �

Booking a DJ for the sake of attendance and ticket sale is the definition of selling out for me.



P.S.
I could of have been really obnoxious in the method I chose to prove you wrong but I decided to be civil about it. Please learn from this approach because at times you can be very obnoxious to others.

Cheers

yes but ferry corsten costs more to book, you are all missing out on this really simple fact

Paul van Dyk puts on the night, he PAYS corstens fee, and corstens fee is a lot more than any berlin techno dj, so hes out of pocket.

If he wanted to make money he'd put the price up but,

ticket price is the same no matter who plays, so it would be easier for him to make money with a 'cheap' dj - because its never going to be totally deserted is it?

There's still the fact that he's not making as much a profit as he would with just another Vandit night.

I think you're forgetting the fact that DJ's are entertainers. From what it sounds like between what everyone has said here and with what's going on with this party, it sounds like PvD is merely expermenting with the interaction between the audience and the styles of music being presented. He's "expanding his horizons", if you will. He DOES have the money to pull off a risk like this, after all. Therefore, if this little test doesn't work, no sweat off of PvD's back.

This is just how I see it.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee yes but ferry corsten costs more to book, you are all missing out on this really simple fact Paul van Dyk puts on the night, he PAYS corstens fee, and corstens fee is a lot more than any berlin techno dj, so hes out of pocket. If he wanted to make money he'd put the price up but, ticket price is the same no matter who plays, so it would be easier for him to make money with a 'cheap' dj - because its never going to be totally deserted is it?

Let me show you mathmetically why I am right and you are wrong.


(Ticket Prices X # of Attending )- DJ FEE = Profit

($10 X 1,500 ) - $10,000( Techno DJ ) = $5,000
($10 X 3,000 ) - $20,000 ( Ferry Corsten) = $10,000




I forgot to add water and liquor sales but it would be fair to assume that profits would be higher when more people attend.


Conclusion: A Ferry Corsten booking brings in more money. I think Paul Van Dyk did the same calculation.

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Originally posted by Laushinameee yes but ferry corsten costs more to book, you are all missing out on this really simple fact Paul van Dyk puts on the night, he PAYS corstens fee, and corstens fee is a lot more than any berlin techno dj, so hes out of pocket. If he wanted to make money he'd put the price up but, ticket price is the same no matter who plays, so it would be easier for him to make money with a 'cheap' dj - because its never going to be totally deserted is it?

right so why is he booking him then, for corsten's DUTCH fans ? since hes a no name in Germany ? just to have a secure packed night ? doing all that when he thinks hes shit ?

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Originally posted by dj tek right so why is he booking him then, for corsten's DUTCH fans ? since hes a no name in Germany ? just to have a secure packed night ? doing all that when he thinks hes shit ?

saying hes a 'no name' in germany is bullshit. Hes a global trance dj

this is exactly why he booked tiesto, so its just the same for corsten

i know this to be true so there is little point in continuing the discussion - ive just tried to explain it to you but if you dont want to understand then its no bother for me.

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