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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 Well, if he removes it then he can at least wear a head scarf or something...unless he's french But seriously, after seeing what Michael Jackson kept doing to his face, surely reconstructive surgery is advanced enough so that it can make this guy seem more or less normal. I mean, how the hell does he eat? Does he pick up the tumor with one hand and then put food in his mouth with the other, or what?

he is stupid for letting the tumor get that big. its either a fake, or that guy is really really stupid.

You sir, are an idiot

p.s. That picture has to be fake... if not then thats HORRIBLE

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil everything is cheaper in china im surprised we don't have chinese forced labor making our military weapons yet

I am glad you find that funny. Why don't you do something productive for this world and shot yourself.

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Originally posted by Sunsnail p.s. That picture has to be fake... if not then thats HORRIBLE

http://www.birthmark.org/hemangiomas.php

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Originally posted by Sevas Stra Against the world; that's a dead give away. i mean it'd be like 500,000 soldiers and sailors against about 900 million. China has a huge strength in numbers, but don't know about them winning. Let's hope we'll never have to experience that kind of warfare...though cleansing the middle east would insure that. hmm.

cleansing the middle east? what the fuck?
how about you and the rest of you yankee fucks just die, that would be a lot more constructive...

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Originally posted by eXstatic cleansing the middle east? what the fuck? how about you and the rest of you yankee fucks just die, that would be a lot more constructive...

im with him, wtf = cleansing the middle east? if we upset the saudi's any more our economy = fucked over.... know how screwed we would be? saudi's are one of the biggest investors in american corperations... how you think gw's got to be rich and powerful he knew who to "play with" seriously man touching the middle east directly is the worst thing we could do.

As for the china issue, easily 2025 china will surpase US power, and will take over international influence... at the rate they are going they are increasing and producing so much more then the US is, as they get farther away from communism and closer w/ democracy they are getting so much more powerful. Just pray for no arms race when they start booming....

Cheers
-Petro

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Originally posted by ::TranceVanDyk:: he is stupid for letting the tumor get that big. its either a fake, or that guy is really really stupid.

how about he couldn't come up with the money in order to have it surgecly removed because of the very Capitalism that runs this world, hosted by none other than, the Americans??

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Originally posted by Dunya http://www.bushflash.com/pl_lo.html

beautiful video...very tramatizing but it's reality.

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Originally posted by eXstatic cleansing the middle east? what the fuck? how about you and the rest of you yankee fucks just die, that would be a lot more constructive...

...how about me and the rest of me yankee fucks just die...yes...mighty constructive...lol... <-reminds me of someone...i think it's eXstatic :\

Who cares, either way, america is fucked, and thus the world is fucked.

Such is the age that we live in - people are gonna write books about how retarded we all are for centuries to come

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Originally posted by eXstatic how about he couldn't come up with the money in order to have it surgecly removed because of the very Capitalism that runs this world, hosted by none other than, the Americans??

But in a socialist nation you would have to wait 2 years to get it removed, because the bureaucracy. Also socialism cripples economic growth due to heavy taxiation. Go privatized health care! Less taxes means more money in the economy. More money in the prvate sector means more economic growth. Economic growth means more jobs and also more tax revenues for the government. The more employed, the larger the tax base.

I am an evil capitalist!

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Originally posted by eXstatic how about he couldn't come up with the money in order to have it surgecly removed because of the very Capitalism that runs this world, hosted by none other than, the Americans??

get whatever's in your ass out and quit being so serious. capitalism is what makes the world tick. as for you south americans. communism is the reason south america is such a sh1thole right now. all them marxist rebels, and currupt governments. i went to peru earlier this year and i found out a lot a crap, like, if u commit a crime, even if its murder, 50,000 dollars to the judge will get you acquited. 10 bucks will get u off the hook for a traffic ticket. the immigration department and the teachers went on strike for a month, so i was stuck there for 3 more weeks past my 1 week planned.

u need to chill out

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Originally posted by eXstatic I am glad you find that funny. Why don't you do something productive for this world and shot yourself.

It is shoot yourself.

TranceVanDyk the reason why South America is a shit hole, as you put it, is due to the inequality of wealth distribution in the world. It has absolutely nothing to do with "communism", which I have no idea where you got that. Even though some countries have leftist presidents, as it is the case in Brazil, they are far form being communist countries. The fact that the wealth in this world is so unevenly distributed makes it impossible for societies and governments to work correctly as other countries in more developed areas. The trend of corruption and impunity has been growing in those countries but have started many decades ago due to the simple fact that, they are poor countries. The more developed countries are actually to blame as well for the underdevelopment of these countries due to their protectionist laws that prevent developing countries to expand their production and sales of different goods to many areas of the world. This is just one of the issues as there are many other that contribute to the fact which not only the more developed countries but also the developing countries are to blame. I give one example that I think illustrates well what I mean. Brazil has model of AIDS prevention and treatment program that is copied by many developed countries where drugs are distributed to many infected people for free as well as campaigns to prevent it from spreading even worse than it is. Now the United States recently just tried to make it much more expensive for Brazil to purchase one of the drugs necessary for such treatment. Luckily there is law in Brazil that in those cases allows them to produce a patent drug. Brazil will then produce the drug in house and be able to continue its program. Now, don't take me wrong. I am not trying to talk Brazil up (as you probably noticed that is where I am from) as few things work as they should and corruption is very high. I am just trying to illustrate that is not as simple as saying that the problem is with this or that person or this or that government and yet with the whole system of how the world economy works.

My opinion is that the real reason behind the problems in South America and all over the world is greed. Man wants more money and more power no matter how much they have and will do everything they can to get it.

Now as far as the original post about war. No offense but who cares. What are wars for? So some can get even richer at the cost of peoples lives that are brainwashed to either fight for their country or believe that their race or religion is the one accepted in this world.

Maybe music can start a revolution, one that would bring all people and all races and religions together. Maybe Tiesto or Paul Van Dyk could head that movement. Hehe!!

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Originally posted by DrUg_Tit0 You're kinda taking this too seriously. I fail to see how this can result in anti-american flame wars any more than any other thread. It's just a hypothetical situation.

Well it sorta went into a flame war, so i was right... I think you owe me a jug of Guinness

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Originally posted by Reverend_Trance But in a socialist nation you would have to wait 2 years to get it removed, because the bureaucracy. Also socialism cripples economic growth due to heavy taxiation. Go privatized health care! Less taxes means more money in the economy. More money in the prvate sector means more economic growth. Economic growth means more jobs and also more tax revenues for the government. The more employed, the larger the tax base. I am an evil capitalist!

Next time you talk about socialism make sure you know what the fuck your talking about. The only form of capital in a Socialist society is through goods and services, NOT money. And health in controlled by the people, and only by the people. Having privatization in a Socialist society is a direct contridiction to it's very doctrine. It would be IMPOSSIBLE for health privatization to exist in a Socialist society, for then it would no longer be one, it would be called...Capitalism.

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Originally posted by fmaretti TranceVanDyk the reason why South America is a shit hole, as you put it, is due to the inequality of wealth distribution in the world. It has absolutely nothing to do with "communism", which I have no idea where you got that. Even though some countries have leftist presidents, as it is the case in Brazil, they are far form being communist countries. The fact that the wealth in this world is so unevenly distributed makes it impossible for societies and governments to work correctly as other countries in more developed areas. The trend of corruption and impunity has been growing in those countries but have started many decades ago due to the simple fact that, they are poor countries. The more developed countries are actually to blame as well for the underdevelopment of these countries due to their protectionist laws that prevent developing countries to expand their production and sales of different goods to many areas of the world. This is just one of the issues as there are many other that contribute to the fact which not only the more developed countries but also the developing countries are to blame. I give one example that I think illustrates well what I mean. Brazil has model of AIDS prevention and treatment program that is copied by many developed countries where drugs are distributed to many infected people for free as well as campaigns to prevent it from spreading even worse than it is. Now the United States recently just tried to make it much more expensive for Brazil to purchase one of the drugs necessary for such treatment. Luckily there is law in Brazil that in those cases allows them to produce a patent drug. Brazil will then produce the drug in house and be able to continue its program. Now, don't take me wrong. I am not trying to talk Brazil up (as you probably noticed that is where I am from) as few things work as they should and corruption is very high. I am just trying to illustrate that is not as simple as saying that the problem is with this or that person or this or that government and yet with the whole system of how the world economy works. My opinion is that the real reason behind the problems in South America and all over the world is greed. Man wants more money and more power no matter how much they have and will do everything they can to get it.

There is your response 'TranceVanDyk'. If you want to gain some REAL insight on world matters (economically/politically) read 'The Green Book' written by Muammar al-Qaddafi. It explains there the problems we ALL experience in this world, and as 'fmaretti' said, it is our current world situation why South America is in a 'shit hole'.
Just remember, the world does not have the resources to sustain the American way of living. So for every extra loaf of bread you have, every extra car you drive, every single item you have that is beyound the essential quantity of living on this earth you deprive somebody else in this world. And thus, your answer as to why South America is 'the shit hole' you claim it to be.

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Originally posted by fmaretti Now as far as the original post about war. No offense but who cares. What are wars for? So some can get even richer at the cost of peoples lives that are brainwashed to either fight for their country or believe that their race or religion is the one accepted in this world.

Go figure...an American started the thread.

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Originally posted by BadBadNeil It is shoot yourself.

To bad it is not past tense...

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Originally posted by eXstatic To bad it is not past tense...

It was originally and it wasn't the correct grammar.

I normally don't care about grammar, however if your goal is to insult someone, at least read over your snappy insult first before pushing the submit reply button.

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Originally posted by eXstatic Next time you talk about socialism make sure you know what the fuck your talking about. The only form of capital in a Socialist society is through goods and services, NOT money. And health in controlled by the people, and only by the people. Having privatization in a Socialist society is a direct contridiction to it's very doctrine. It would be IMPOSSIBLE for health privatization to exist in a Socialist society, for then it would no longer be one, it would be called...Capitalism.

That was the point. Capitalism is good. With privitized health care, people can see a doctor right away and have surgery in a short period of time. In socialized medicine, people who are healthy and contribute to society are given priority over others. There are waiting lists for surgery and treatment. Privitized health care also produces competition. In a competive market, people produce and develop better drugs, treatments, etc where a state-run health care does not provide that.

I was using the health care example of "socialized" nations such as Canada and Great Britian.
And yes I do have a fucking clue about the world and the current practice we call socialism.

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Originally posted by Reverend_Trance

You trying to get me banned? If you have something to say, come and say it to me. If you want to ban me, go run like a coward to the admins and ban me then. If you can't handle some explicit vocabulary, than maybe I should tone it down a bit for the little children in here.

For your reply, privatization means the government nor the people have ANY control of the health sector(s) being privatized. This means that corporations in control can charge whatever they please for health care, and not have anybody tell them otherwise. This also means that only those with money, and lots of it will be able to comfortably afford it. So sorry if I believe HEALTH CARE IS A FUCKING HUMAN RIGHT AND NOT A COMMODITY YOU CAN SELL. NO ONE has the right to control any service that is essential to your well being and existence as a human.
If you believe otherwise, that's great for you. I hope one day you can feel the effects of not having enough money to pay for your families medicine and having the burden of watching them die infront of you because of the very system you praise.

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Originally posted by eXstatic For your reply, privatization means the government nor the people have ANY control of the health sector(s) being privatized. This means that corporations in control can charge whatever they please for health care, and not have anybody tell them otherwise. This also means that only those with money, and lots of it will be able to comfortably afford it.

The catch is that you have many competing health care groups and drug companies. The drugs they produce are usually better than the previous alternative. By seeking a profit, they want to make better drugs. The complaining about the high cost of drugs is insane. While senior citizens go to Canada to get cheaper drugs under the existing socialist system, it undercuts the drug company. They have less money to work with. It takes years of forulating, testing, re-formulating the drug, independent studies, federal approval, etc. It takes time and millions of dollars. To make this up, the cost of the drug/ medical treatment is high.

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Originally posted by eXstatic So sorry if I believe HEALTH CARE IS A FUCKING HUMAN RIGHT AND NOT A COMMODITY YOU CAN SELL. NO ONE has the right to control any service that is essential to your well being and existence as a human. If you believe otherwise, that's great for you.

Health care is NOT a basic human right. That in itself does not mean that people who are ill or injured are not treated. Where does it say that health care is a BASIC HUMAN RIGHT? People that could be treated for easily curable diseases die every day around the world. Show me in any document that you have the RIGHT of heath care. The closest thing I can find is the Hippocratic Oath. It is the oath all doctors take be fore beginning their practice. The modern version states that these people are not "a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being..." Which I agree with, but they treat the sick, but where does it say you have to treat all equally?

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Originally posted by eXstatic I hope one day you can feel the effects of not having enough money to pay for your families medicine and having the burden of watching them die infront of you because of the very system you praise.

This thing did happen to me, as a matter of fact. My grandfather needed a liver due to a rare disease. He was dying in the hospital until a donor showed up. He was placed on the list like everyone else. He got the liver in the nick of time. He is recovering over the past few months. From what I understand that in socialized medicine, people are placed on the list based on how they comtribute to society. Like a working male whould have priority over a retired person. Here all people are equal. All have an equal chance at life.
Refute me if I am wrong.

A "basic human right" is something that cannot be taken away. If anything health care would be placed into the "entitlement" category along with social security and welfare. These are not "basic human rights" either. Health care, medicine in general, is a technology. Much the same way I do not the the "right" to a plasma TV or a computer, I do not have the "right" to health care.

What if I live in the country, miles away from civilization and I have no car. If I had a car and became sick, I, or a loved one could drive me to the hospital twice as fast as if the ambulance came and picked me up, increasing my chances of survival. Do I therefore have the "right" to a car because it *may* save my life, much the same way as medical care *may* save my life?

I also consider "basic human rights" to be timeless. Freedom from opression, free speech, etc. have all been desires since the beginning of civilization. But how can medicine fall into this category if it in an invention of modern society?

If you are truly ill and go to the hospital I believe they will not refuse you as a patient, healthcare or not. They may stick you with a bill afterwards but they will treat you. In many cases those who can't afford healthcare have available various organizations who help them get donated medical attention or have various plans available to help with payments.

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