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Originally posted by Pettiscool agreed, you guys are fuckin losers, go outside for a change

Wouldn't the fact that we've been to these numerous other clubs which we claim have better staff than the Guvernment imply that we go outside fairly often?

On the other hand I don't think I've seen you out too often... you only go out when Tiesto or Armin are in town.

Hmm... hey... a thought occurs... could it be that *gasp* the people who defend the Guvernment most adamantly haven't really been to many events and don't really know much about the scene??

so now you assume that certain people dont know much about the scene or about music? Thats a good one...

Dude listen... politics are fun only when it's involving bashing the liberal party.

Club politics are whack. That goes for anyone who spews them btw. All clubs in Toronto serve their purpose and if they dont they close down. Simple as that. If you dont like guv, boa, crocodile rock or whatever...

DON'T GO!!!
and STFU!

If the Guv changed 3 things I would go MORE often:

1) Improve the "attitudes" of the staff, either security or otherwise.If they have to clean house so be it.

2) STOP overcrowding the club

3) Better ventilation

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Originally posted by Jayx1 Dude listen... politics are fun only when it's involving bashing the liberal party.

...or the Conservative Party

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Originally posted by DigiNut Words can't describe how large an imbecile you are. Do you read your posts before you submit them? Business owners can serve their customers and keep an eye on the bottom line at the same time. It's not that difficult. "Sketchiness" in the context of the Guv does not refer to people simply doing drugs. This discussion's been had several times on the forum, and the word in this connotation refers to a whole shitload of drug-induced bad behaviour, mostly by G monkeys and coke heads and people doing other weird shit like PCP or Dartura, starting fights or trying to rape girls on the dance floor. Staff at other clubs try not to let THOSE drugs into the club (have a good look at one of Boa's many "Zero tolerance for GHB" signs), and if they do get in and the shit starts to hit the fan, those staff are generally able to diffuse the situation rather than adding to it like the Guv employees do. I'm not even going to answer the rest of that post, I'm only going to ask you one question Max: Why the fuck can't you grow the balls to admit that you work for the Guvernment? I remember last summer we had a Boa promoter, PartyHarlequin, on the boards and everyone was giving him shit even though he ADMITTED straight up that he promoted for them. You on the other hand keep fucking dodging the question or even lying outright - well fuck you, it's time to stop being a fucking pussy and own up to the shit you've stirred on here. If your next post isn't a confession then it's onto ignore you go. Your rants aren't welcome here until you tell us who the hell you are.

ok ppl, this conversation is going nowhere, guvernment is one of the most successful clubs that has been open for over 9 years, it has one of the best booking agent who books dj�s for film, lush, system, cz, and others. the owner of the guv is very intelligent, he been able to keep such a big club in one peace, and at the same time mange other business. If Charles didn't care about guv., he wouldn't invest into renovation, guv changes its look every month, if not every event. There are hardly any fights that break out, and if there were a few of them that happened before, things were resolved immidiatly. as for the drugz, every club has ppl smuggling it, they can put it in their ass, in between their braw, in between their snatch etc. This shit happens everywhere, so don't be bashing the guv. and acting as if other clubs are perfect, the other night I was @ BOA and I saw two people having sexual intercourse right on the main stage. I never saw anyone body trying 2 rape anybody on the dance floor of the Guvernment. Furthermore I�d like 2 states that it�s really stupid for boa promoters to bash other clubs, simply b/c they don't have any other strategies attracting customers to their venue, this is very immature and unethical. Another thing I would like to mansion is that if Guv. wasn�t around Toronto�s dance scene would not be the same. Guv. Attracts a lot of tourists to come and visit one of the biggest N.A's night clubs. Guvernment is know world wide for its name, ppl. like John Digweed, Sasha, Paul Oakenfold, Tiesto, Paul van Dyk, Ferry Corsten, Marco V, Sander Kleinenberg, JXL, Infected Mushrooms and more played @ Guv. on several occasions, if Guv. had such a bad reputation, the booking agents for those mansion above would not even bother brining the djs in to the venue. Guv. keeps the 4 simple marketing p's intact under their belt and that what makes it a great place. Price, product, promotion and place, if Guv didn't follow the simple rules of marketing, it would not be where it is today. lots of club owners, managers and promoters use Guv. as their model to create a perfect utopian club. Guv. is the home for the best local and international dj's. it was, is and will be one of the best clubs know in history. Another thing that I would like to mansion is that Guv. Management is very open minded if they weren�t, then they wouldn�t host diff. kind of theme nights through out the week. Guv is not only know for the dance scene, but its know to be the home for Toronto�s fashion and movie industry.

Hey Nutsack STFU seroiously and stop bitching ffs

This arguement seriously needs to stop. Everyone knows that the Guv is far from perfect, but i think it's safe to say that no club can claim to make everyone happy. The comparisions that people have made are bound to irk regulars -- and that's how these petty arguments are started, and then fueled by people who have vested interests in slagging off another club.

Just give it up already - the arguments are getting tired, and people who have experienced nights at these clubs have a pretty good idea of what the strong and weak points are. People have lost all objectivity and are now resorting to personal attacks which takes away from the credibility of your posts.

DigiNut : While i agree that The Guv should cap the number of people they herd in and out of that place, i don't think a comment like the Guv is sketchier is really far. Last time i was at Boa i saw just as many sketchy people. They weren't asian, and they weren't 40 year old and sitting in puddles getting light shows, but they were just as cracked out. Boa, Guv and CZ rank pretty much the same in terms of how many G monkeys, Circuit boys and Shirtless monkeys roam around during the peak time (It's a proportionate thing afterall).

MaxPain : Admit it dude, you either were, or are a bouncer at the Guv -- that's how you 'know' so much about the industry, and don't boast about it like it's a big thing -- just like your claim of having a full head of hair, most people laugh at people like you when you big up something as trivial as knowing the inside scoop on clubbing. Figure out a cure for cancer and maybe someone might be impressed. Knowing a few names of bouncers and where they were employed and whatnot just means you're a juicehead with a full head of hair who wasn't smart nuff to get a real job.

Anyway, it's too late to ask people to get along -- so maybe we should listen to the TOTA's self appointed Prime Minister (and chief whinner ) jayx1 and just STFU about places that you don't intend to ever go back to.

The Guv isn't going anywhere -- they are the biggest club in TO, and while they are able to attract the biggest talent in the world and keep a resident like Mark O -- they will always draw a crowd.

I don't think Boa ever intended to compete directly with The Guv because from what i've seen they are targetting a different type of crowd (though naturally there will always be a little crossover).

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Originally posted by Jayx1 DON'T GO!!!

I don't.

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and STFU!

First off, I'm entitled to say whatever the hell I want. The "if you don't like it, don't go" argument is pretty useless against someone who doesn't go. It's obvious that I'm not being a hypocrite, so what are you trying to say exactly?

I didn't start this bullshit, Max did. Have you ever seen me randomly pipe up about the Guvernment in an unrelated discussion?

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Originally posted by Kytracid DigiNut : While i agree that The Guv should cap the number of people they herd in and out of that place, i don't think a comment like the Guv is sketchier is really far. Last time i was at Boa i saw just as many sketchy people. They weren't asian, and they weren't 40 year old and sitting in puddles getting light shows, but they were just as cracked out. Boa, Guv and CZ rank pretty much the same in terms of how many G monkeys, Circuit boys and Shirtless monkeys roam around during the peak time (It's a proportionate thing afterall).

I disagree with you. Obviously you've made your own observations and that's fine, but I've been to both Boa and the Guvernment *many* times and I think it's a lot worse at the Guvernment. Sure there are assholes everywhere but there are also normal people and I don't see very many normal people at the Guvernment - just sketch artists, barbies and juicers, and tourists.

And you guys have to stop spinning this like a comparison between Boa and the Guvernment. What about System? You were there last night Sid... ok, so there were 2 or 3 puddles involving 2 or 3 people each, but did you see any other blatant sketchiness? How does that compare to the Guvernment on a typical night?

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Originally posted by DigiNut I disagree with you. Obviously you've made your own observations and that's fine, but I've been to both Boa and the Guvernment *many* times and I think it's a lot worse at the Guvernment. Sure there are assholes everywhere but there are also normal people and I don't see very many normal people at the Guvernment - just sketch artists, barbies and juicers, and tourists. And you guys have to stop spinning this like a comparison between Boa and the Guvernment. What about System? You were there last night Sid... ok, so there were 2 or 3 puddles involving 2 or 3 people each, but did you see any other blatant sketchiness? How does that compare to the Guvernment on a typical night?[/COLOR][/FONT]

Sure, i agree - System doesn't really have the E-puddle or sketchy asian problem (it doesn't have the shirtless monkey problem that i've found at Boa and CZ either), but there have been nights when System has had it's share of sketch pads as well. My point is, when people who claim to love Boa start to bash The Guv, then it's only naturaly that Guv regulars are going to get irked by some of the comments. It's unfair really -- because the Guv is a lot bigger then Boa or System or any other club in TO, so when you notice things like sketcy people, it's only natural that there will be more. Plus, it makes sense to me anyway that if you have 6000 people in one place, the chances that negative element will affect you more is significantly higher then if you were at a small club.

Bottom line, most of the points here have been covered time and time again. Now one is really breaking any new ground. What does seem evident is that people have formed opinion camps and forgotten what's really important -- going out and having fun.

I've been to the Guv on really crowded nights and it's still been a blast, sketchy asians, barbie dolls, juice monkeys and all...Regarding the staff at the Guv -- well lets just put it this way, i wouldn't piss on any of them if they were on fire cause most of the bastards that work there are elitist pigs. But whatever, i don't really go there to interact with the dumbass staff -- for $10, i'm happy to brush aside the rudeness as an unfortunate by product of most of them being crackheads during their offtime.

Anyway, back to the NFL playoffs -- as entairtaining as this thread has been, you guys need to consider giving it a rest because no one is going to win.

I agree completely. The point is, this argument has been completely warped into this "club wars" thing when what really set it off was someone's comment about the Guvernment not listening to complaints and their staff being a bunch of fucknuts. Max, being an employee at the Guv, took that personally (and unintentionally proved everyone else right) and had to chime in with his crap about "Of course Guv listens to complaints, I'm there every week so I know, and how could the Guv be so successful if their staff were such assholes".

So let's put this whole thing in perspective. I'm not intentionally engaging in any club wars or trying to mindlessly bash the Guvernment. I just said (and you agree) that their staff are a waste of skin and that they overpack the place - simple as that. The rest of this "debate" was dedicated to explaining to Max's dumb ass how the Guvernment could POSSIBLY be so "successful" without courteous staff and respect for safety bylaws.

I spend very little time bashing the Guvernment or talking about it at all. I just think it's idiotic how these people respond to every complaint about the Guvernment with logic that essentially amounts to "your complaint is not valid because the club is still making money", and I think that's a clear reflection on what kind of people work there.

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Originally posted by Kytracid MaxPain : you're a juicehead with a full head of hair who wasn't smart nuff to get a real job.

Hey I'm in school and have a "real" part time job and have gone to both university and college! What the hell do you do? With you making the stupid ass comments that you makde I highly doubt that you have even have a high school diploma even though you still despite your possible baldness so go get some more credits and then bring some talks this way

Whats your problem with "juiceheads"? Did you get your ass kicked at some gyms by some guys who were all juiced up and now you are all pissed off about it? You said I was a "juicehead" with a full head of hair but you fail to realize that many "jucieheads" are balding or bald because steroids speeds up the process of balding I have a full head of hair which I am happy with so I wouldn't dare fuck with steroids and don't need them to get big and strong unlike you kytracid and your toothpick sidekick Diginut who both need some juice ASAP for your anorexic asses who hold each others purses at the gym in attempts to finally bench over 50 pounds for the first time Try not to break a nail ladies

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Originally posted by DigiNut I don't. I didn't start this bullshit, Max did. Have you ever seen me randomly pipe up about the Guvernment in an unrelated discussion? I disagree with you. Obviously you've made your own observations and that's fine, but I've been to both Boa and the Guvernment *many* times and I think it's a lot worse at the Guvernment. Sure there are assholes everywhere but there are also normal people and I don't see very many normal people at the Guvernment - just sketch artists, barbies and juicers, and tourists. And you guys have to stop spinning this like a comparison between Boa and the Guvernment. ?

I wasn't the one who was trying to turn this into some GUV VS BOA thing and it was actually Floorwhore from BOA who highlighted the words "(GUV) puts their customers first" and then put up (WTF sign)in response and Xavier Moriarty also wanted to dispute my statement about GUV actually making changes for the people after I stated that both Charles from THE GUVERNMENT and Rony (Hani) from BOA were both hands on owners and that this was the way that things should be which was a complement to the way that BOTH THE GUVERNMENT and BOA were being runned so I can't see any way that I was trying to start up some sort of GUV VS BOA thing when I was complimenting both clubs.

You sit there and compare THE GUVERNMENT and BOA and say that there aren't any normal people at THE GUVERNMENT and how you have been to GUV and BOA many times and it's alot worse at THE GUV insinuating that it's so much better at BOA and that BOA is where all the normal people are at

Funny how Diginutsucker tried to say that people have to stop spinning this into a comparision between BOA and THE GUVERNMENT when he just did that exact thing in the paragraph before

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Originally posted by maxpain unlike you kytracid and your toothpick sidekick Diginut who both need some juice ASAP for your anorexic asses who hold each others purses at the gym in attempts to finally bench over 50 pounds for the first time Try not to break a nail ladies

OWNED


so true so true

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer OWNED so true so true

Get off your knee's, take your boyfriends cock out of your mouth and learn to say more then a few words that you picked up from your geeky chat on MSN -- maybe then i'll explain the meaning of the word, OWNED...

two favorites.. I laughed, I cried, I shared.

This thread is FUN-EH.

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Originally posted by DigiNut Wouldn't the fact that we've been to these numerous other clubs which we claim have better staff than the Guvernment imply that we go outside fairly often? On the other hand I don't think I've seen you out too often... you only go out when Tiesto or Armin are in town. Hmm... hey... a thought occurs... could it be that *gasp* the people who defend the Guvernment most adamantly haven't really been to many events and don't really know much about the scene??

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Pett not knowing enough about the scene? LOL!!!!!
Bwahahahahah!!
Sorry, just had to bring this to light...now THIS is the Fun EH.

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Originally posted by DigiNut On the other hand I don't think I've seen you out too often... you only go out when Tiesto or Armin are in town. Hmm... hey... a thought occurs... could it be that *gasp* the people who defend the Guvernment most adamantly haven't really been to many events and don't really know much about the scene??

he also goes to Nature One, Love Parade, Love from Above, Dance Valley, and Ibiza every now and then .. but i guess we can make an exception this time around ..

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Originally posted by dEsidEL he also goes to Nature One, Love Parade, Love from Above, Dance Valley, and Ibiza every now and then .. but i guess we can make an exception this time around ..

I dunno about you guys but i'm a regular at Croccodile Rock. Cougars are fun!

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Originally posted by drgoodvibe I dunno about you guys but i'm a regular at Croccodile Rock. Cougars are fun!

I meant acually go outside diginut, not club talk.
but since you brought it up..... if you really think the "scene" is all about how cool bouncers are

come to think of it I don't think i've had a bad experience with security anywhere, anytime in my clubbing experience. Guv bouncers especially, urgg I forgot his name the big bald white guy, have been VERY nice to me and the people that come with me. The guv managment are also very cordial. You treat them with respect, they treat you with respect.

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Originally posted by drgoodvibe come to think of it I don't think i've had a bad experience with security anywhere, anytime in my clubbing experience. Guv bouncers especially, urgg I forgot his name the big bald white guy, have been VERY nice to me and the people that come with me. The guv managment are also very cordial. You treat them with respect, they treat you with respect.

i think you're referring to Jamiel who's the head bouncer .. he usually stands at the Guv main entrance near the DeLuxe Lounge doorway ..

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Originally posted by hardcore trancer OWNED so true so true

x's 9299929328983498498898898989488294892348923840384980

AHHHAAHHAH.... and the thing is its actually true!

hmm, funny, all i got from this thread is another person on my ignore list.

system new sound was good this weekend. the only complaint was, it seems it wasn't balanced well for the room. the sound didn't come from all sides (surround) it came mostly from the back speakers. this just needs to be tweaked a bit. but there was no pain in the ears and all sounds could be heard clearly.

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