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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J Forbidden Fruit by PVD on his 1996 album Seven Ways has a breakdown that last for over 4 minutes, and that track is most certainly an anthem track.

anthem, you on crack?

oooo good ol fashioned flame wars.....

as for the whole breakdown argument, some tracks pre 97 had them, but when it was 1 in 10 or 1 in 20 tracks it was unique, now its standard to have 1-4 minute break downs, so it gets boring. same with supersaws, i get sick of them every now and thne, but i dont dislike tracks just because it has a supersaw, most of them sound pretty awesome, i just mix up my playlist a bit.

ishkur im pretty impressed you didnt go into your usual trace hating rants.

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Oh fuck off. Talent does not equal success, and success does not equal talent. Get that through your head. And I'm not jealous of anyone, I'm just annoyed at the fact that a dumbass like Armin van Buuren is "one of the world's best DJs".

oh but people are jealous of you Ory, the retards that live with you in the mental institution are pissed that you get internet access......

I wanna stick it in your butt Ory!!!

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Originally posted by Ibizadreamer AG I wanna stick it in your butt Ory!!!

Ory's not able to post anymore. You can still 'stick it in [his] butt' if you like, though.

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Originally posted by UWM Ory's not able to post anymore. You can still 'stick it in [his] butt' if you like, though.

has he been banned?

The answer to that question is 'Yes.'

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Originally posted by UWM The answer to that question is 'Yes.'

what about Jake Conlon?

Ory has a nice ass

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Originally posted by JakeC what about Jake Conlon?

Yes Jake Conlon got banned. Not by me, mind you, but he did. Since I'm assuming you're the same poster I should go ahead and ban you as well, no?

No.

what did i do to get banned?

i didnt offend anyone or post anything that should be found offensive.

back to the topic:


here are my feelings on the subject.

remeber when you trance crackers first listened to euro-dance music ( you know you did don't lie); you thought the music was re-freshing and cool. Than you slowly began to understand the 'cheesey' elements of the music, either by listening to other music or just hearing the same 'euro-dance' format over and over.

you may still listen to euro-dance ( like I do sometimes ) but with a new understanding that its cheese. you understand its silly role in EDM.



this is how I feel about epic dutch trance. I won't lie, I did like it before, but soon came to the understanding ( like what happened with my understanding of euro-dance) that it was cheesey. All the songs has the same structure, the same sound, etc.

I can still listen to trance but with a new understanding that its cheese.

or it could be the music is outdated.

when i listen back to the Prodigy - Experience, every track is cheesy but then i understand that back in the day that was cutting edge.

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Originally posted by JakeC or it could be the music is outdated. when i listen back to the Prodigy - Experience, every track is cheesy but then i understand that back in the day that was cutting edge.

I feel that non-cheesey music will last the test of time.

here is a classic example of 'old' music I can still listen too and not find it chessey.

Out there and Back

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 anthem, you on crack?

You're a Class A PVD fanboy, and you're annoying me. Of course it's a bloody anthem. The entire track is focussed on the lead anthem.

lol how can something turn cheezy?

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J You're a Class A PVD fanboy, and you're annoying me. Of course it's a bloody anthem. The entire track is focussed on the lead anthem.

what do you mean? maby stuff like Another Way is an anthem, but FF is completely different. Why is it an anthem, because it has a melody? Compair it to something like Rank 1 - awakening

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 lol how can something turn cheezy?

The Prodigy - Out Of Space

great back in the day, cheesy now.

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Originally posted by JakeC The Prodigy - Out Of Space great back in the day, cheesy now.

how is it cheesy now?

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 how is it cheesy now?

because its old.

Wham were good back in the day but now they are 80's cheese, yes out of space is still an anthem and i will still listen to it but it is undeniably cheesy.

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Originally posted by JakeC because its old. Wham were good back in the day but now they are 80's cheese, yes out of space is still an anthem and i will still listen to it but it is undeniably cheesy.

just because a track turns commercial doesnt meen its cheeze.

If you think its cheezy now, then it was cheezy back in the day. Just because something is cheezy, doesnt mean you can't like it or enjoy it.

new order

morisey

depche mode



old? yes. But was their music cheesey? Fuck no.



Here is my defintion of cheese

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Originally posted by Blue Balls I disagree with you. Here is why. There is a difference between preference and cheese imo. You can choice to listen to quality trance or quality prog. But the difference is not in the sustance of the music but rather the genre. However, the choice to listen to cheese is one of musical sustance rather than of genre. There is Cheese Trance. There is Cheese Techno. There is Cheese Prog. The problem with cheese tunes is not that they are good, dancable, and popular but rather lack the creativity and emotion which good dance music tracks have. Cheese tracks don't song fresh or new. It sounds recycled. Old. And eventually boring. IT drives people nuts how lame people can be that actually like this un-artistic shit. For example, If you live in america you probally know about all the 'reality' shows. the first couple were new and refreshing change to TV viewing. But what happened was that all the other TV channels saw this forumla was succesfull and copied it. Within a few years all the TV channels at least 2 reality tv shows. All these shows were cheese, by my defintion. Acutally the level of cheese has increased recently. People watch that shit but its soo fuckin cheesey. Here is a better example: Flannel and jeans. So 90's and yes sooo cheesy. Here is a better example: Remeber when mainstream RAP was 'hard-core'.Like early 90's. All the rappers where rapping about real issues and were real gansters. White people really weren't listening to it becuase of the whole progressive movement in Rock. From 2000 to present mainstream RAP has gotten cheesy. It has copied the exact sound forumla of 90's rap but without all the real issues. Here is a better example: Abercrombie and Fitch was a cool clothing brand back in the mid 90's. It got cheesy when its styles became boring and bland. It was copying rather than innovating. Everyone knows about this brand and alot of poeple where there shit but its cheesy. Here is a better example: White people that listen to rap. Remeber when that was bad-ass. It so cheesy now. Once again because its true meaning and ideas have been diluted because everyone copied trying to be 'bad-ass' white kid. Back to trance music now.... Classic Example is DJ Sammy. All his leads, basslines, etc sounds the same. Its an old sound and doesn't stand the test of time. This is the defintion of cheese. Another more recent example. ASOT. 95% of the songs on this radio station are cheese. why? because if you listen to the station all the artists sound the same. All the songs have that same 'europhic' feeling but in a 'not -new -way'. It sounds old and dated. But worse it sounds copied or recycled. The same can be said for what once was GDJB. Remeber that stupid 'bouncy-ball' sound. Had all those bleeps and beats. It was new at first. I actually liked it but than got cheesy fast. There is an intersting article in this months REMIX mag with Deep Dish. In the interview Deep Dish said they try NOT to recyle their tunes or the sound they have. They try to do things different each time around. When I read this it clearly addressed why Deep Dish can not be considered cheese and or what it means not to be cheese. Hopefully I made the idea of what cheese is more understandable. Cheese is holding on to the past. It is not being artist. It is not being new. Dance Music historically and going forward is about the new and moving forward. It's not about the cheese.

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Originally posted by Blue Balls I forgot one more thing. Remeber when Americans were wearing american flags and american flag pins. That was ok during 9/11 and the war but if you are still doing that you are sooo fuckin cheesy!!! Classic Example: FOX

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Originally posted by sandstorm03 what do you mean? maby stuff like Another Way is an anthem, but FF is completely different. Why is it an anthem, because it has a melody? Compair it to something like Rank 1 - awakening

If you put a palm tree next to a giant redwood, they're still both trees.

And Out of Space is cheesy as hell. Those "boing" sounds, a chipmunk voice and a reggae sample? It's still absolutely fucking brilliant though.

Here are more examples for you trance crackers of what cheese is:



this is a new release on juno:

http://www.juno.co.uk/ppps/products/172820-01.htm



If you can't hear how cheesey this is than you need help.

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Originally posted by SYSTEM-J If you put a palm tree next to a giant redwood, they're still both trees. And Out of Space is cheesy as hell. Those "boing" sounds, a chipmunk voice and a reggae sample? It's still absolutely fucking brilliant though.

if you put trance next to techno they are still edm . Im sure if you named 10-15 anthems, ff would sound totally different from the rest.

Listen to these ASOT tracks , pure fuckin cheese


http://www.juno.co.uk/ppps/products/166619-01.htm



http://www.juno.co.uk/ppps/products/171395-01.htm




and guess what? Armin will play both these songs back 2 back in a mix. wonder why people call him cheese.

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